Could Muhammad of been a prophet?

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nmgauss said:
Modern Israel is every bit as warlike as the ancient Israelites. Are they wrong in not changing their attitudes. Also, are you prepared to say that Yahweh and the current God worshipped by Jews are the same?

Also, is the God worshipped by Abraham (Yahweh) the same God worshipped by Catholics?
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Why wouldnt they be? There is only 1 God.
 
nmgauss said:
Modern Israel is every bit as warlike as the ancient Israelites. Are they wrong in not changing their attitudes. Also, are you prepared to say that Yahweh and the current God worshipped by Jews are the same?

Also, is the God worshipped by Abraham (Yahweh) the same God worshipped by Catholics?
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No I am not saying they’re wrong. I do not say Jews in the past and Jews now worship different gods. I am saying that Jews today worship very differently then ancient Jews did. And yes Abraham and Catholics worship the same God. I don’t know what made you think I thought they didn’t. My point was that early islam was inclined towards war. This means that at least some encouragement of military expansion must exist in Muhammad’s teachings. Now it may be more similar to catholic just war doctrine, I don’t know. The historical evidence just points to early Islam being expansionist:shrug:.

Also I already said why I don’t think Muhammad was a prophet and it has nothing to do with violence in Islam.
 
kimg901 said:
Why wouldnt they be? There is only 1 God.
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How is it that Yahweh was a fearsome unitary god and caused severe anxiety among the Israelites, especially after the great flood, Moses commanding the killing of the golden calf worshippers, and Joshua having murdered the Canaanites, all at the behest of Yahweh. Yahweh was of a warrior nature.

Now the Catholics worship a compassionate triune God who promotes peace and abjures violence.

And the Muslims have surrendered to their merciful Allah.

If God is eternal and does not change, how can all three of these different entities be the same God?

The question can be answered if we allow that humans create their own God. This can be seen in the multiple interpretations of the true nature of God appearing in religious literature throughout the ages. Or is it because nobody knew God because God was unknowable, and therefore everyone had a different idea of the nature of God?
 
I’m not the best at this area of apologetics. If someone more knowledgeable would step forward? Also I don’t believe that “Gabriel” was from God. I don’t know what happened in that cave but it was not an angel of God.
 
FireFromHeaven said:
I’m not the best at this area of apologetics. If someone more knowledgeable would step forward?
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I would love to give a try. However, the best apologetic resource would be the Catechism of The Catholic Church (CCC) and it is free online.

Muslims can shorten their questions by having a look in the CCC. The Catholic church has opened its doors so to speak for anyone ** sincerely** curious.

MJ
 
nmgauss said:
How is it that Yahweh was a fearsome unitary god and caused severe anxiety among the Israelites, especially after the great flood, Moses commanding the killing of the golden calf worshippers, and Joshua having murdered the Canaanites, all at the behest of Yahweh. Yahweh was of a warrior nature.

Now the Catholics worship a compassionate triune God who promotes peace and abjures violence.

And the Muslims have surrendered to their merciful Allah.

If God is eternal and does not change, how can all three of these different entities be the same God?

The question can be answered if we allow that humans create their own God. This can be seen in the multiple interpretations of the true nature of God appearing in religious literature throughout the ages. Or is it because nobody knew God because God was unknowable, and therefore everyone had a different idea of the nature of God?
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The God of the Old Testament is the same as the God of the New Testament. He is merciful and vengeful in both. Have you studied the entire bible?

There are hints of a Trinitarian God in the Old Testament when studied carefully.
 
nmgauss said:
How is it that Yahweh was a fearsome unitary god and caused severe anxiety among the Israelites, especially after the great flood, Moses commanding the killing of the golden calf worshippers, and Joshua having murdered the Canaanites, all at the behest of Yahweh. Yahweh was of a warrior nature.

Now the Catholics worship a compassionate triune God who promotes peace and abjures violence.

And the Muslims have surrendered to their merciful Allah.

If God is eternal and does not change, how can all three of these different entities be the same God?

The question can be answered if we allow that humans create their own God. This can be seen in the multiple interpretations of the true nature of God appearing in religious literature throughout the ages. Or is it because nobody knew God because God was unknowable, and therefore everyone had a different idea of the nature of God?
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Is God not merciful and vengeful? So what would you call God when He sent death to Egypt to free the Hebrews? I would say a loving and caring Father. Are you a JW?
 
Another thread has been de-railed: :mad:

Topic Could Muhammad of been a prophet?

Has turned into discussion about God Old Testament / New Testament

What a mess!
 
MartinJordan said:
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However God being Just is not the same as human’s ability to be Just. You can never compare God’s with mortal man’s.🙂

MJ
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True, God is perfect, we are far from it. We will and probably never will carry out a perfectly just punishment because only God knows what it entails.
 
MartinJordan said:
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However God being Just is not the same as human’s ability to be Just. You can never compare God’s with mortal man’s.🙂

MJ
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God’s Justice is based on complete knowledge of everything, past, present and future. While our (man’s) justice would be based on limited knowledge.
 
expounder said:
God is JUST
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You are correct Ex. But God is God. He can be what He wants. He is not limited by a physical body and time. We see His Love and Wrath in Scriptures. We see He is just and kind as well as vengeful at times. 🙂
 
expounder said:
True, God is perfect, we are far from it. We will and probably never will carry out a perfectly just punishment because only God knows what it entails.
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I agree and disagree at the same time Ex. Do we as men not give criminals a fair punishment for their crimes? (I know it happens when someone is accused wrongly or prejudice creeps in) Are we not just in handing down the sentence? Im all for an “eye for an eye” punishment though. Keep criminals in check 😃
 
kimg901 said:
You are correct Ex. But God is God. He can be what He wants. He is not limited by a physical body and time. We see His Love and Wrath in Scriptures. We see He is just and kind as well as vengeful at times. 🙂
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Where does God’s wrath appear in the New Testament?
 
expounder said:
True, God is perfect, we are far from it. We will and probably never will carry out a perfectly just punishment because only God knows what it entails.
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Does God make mistakes? Are some of his creations failures?
 
aemcpa said:
On the Cross.
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Yes, the utterly complete destruction of sin.

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
 
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