Could Muhammad of been a prophet?

[Servant19]

You can’t exactly quote a Catholic Saint. Why Not? Why ever Not? Because he does
not believe the same thing you do. He said what he said very well, but you can’t use it
to support your case when he himself would never approve with your usage of his own
words. Also, he was one of the many theologians who actually supported the Nicene
Creed, devistating to the Baha’i Faith. Not only that, in the very quote you chose just
so happens to use the word hypostasis, a word which has been used to describe the
union of Christ’s humanity and divinity.

I will, and I have dear friend

All I am saying in providing that quote is how authenticity of doctrine is hazy. I’m not trying to confuse, but I am trying to be as true as possible to the Bible

I WANT TO USE THE BIBLE…

The concept of Master, Message and Messenger, (Sun, Light and Mirror) fits ALL Biblical verses perfectly.

IT IS BEING 100% DEDICATED AND TRUE TO BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE

So on the one hand, it’s just plain unfair to take a quote out
of its context, on the other it is rather funny when the quote
you wrongly use happens to hurt your position.
youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE

…and this questions your sincerity…

…again, dear friend, are you a servant of God, or a servant of the game of “one-upmanship”?

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[Servant19]

I deny your usage of Basil’s words which are not applicable to your beliefs.

If Jesus wasn’t God, St. Basil would not have been a supporter for the Nicene Creed.

…so please provide a rational meaning to his words here, so I may be able to understand clearly please?

This is the times, the times of the end when God is seeing if we can “overcome”

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[Judas_Thaddeus]

There is a matter of trying to resolve these “apparent” discrepancies, which have traditionally been explained by the “Trinity” doctrine, right? It works pretty good, but there are some issues with taking it all literally and not coming up with three separate Gods, which comes up in the Quran, etc. So this is an effort to communicate another way of understanding the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost without offending anyone.

Through the Scriptures, we learn that the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, all
three interact with each other (as seen in Scripture), therefore they are distinct persons, yet there
is only One God. The only logical solution is the Trinity, which we find out is the only form in which
an unchangeable eternal deity could possibly exist as.

Let us say that the Source of all Light is God, and that the Light appears on earth through the Mirror. Now the Mirror is not the origin of the Light (Holy Spirit), as in: “These are not My words”.

The analogy doesn’t work because again, in passages such as John 1:1,
we find that Jesus is as eternal as the Father, same with the Holy Spirit.

But to humanity, the Word of God must be made flesh, that is, it must be made manifest to us somehow, and the Holy Person of Jesus is like this Divine Mirror, and He is the means by which God sheds “His” Light upon humanity, that we might grow and benefit spiritually, and not just live a physical life like an animal and then die.

You are close, as Jesus does reflect and shine forth and reveal the
Father to us, but as you said earlier, Jesus is the Word of God, we
both seem to agree, until the last of three points in John 1:1 which
says that the Word IS God.

So the object is to understand the position of the sun, the mirror, and the light. In the analogy, this is God, His Manifestation (or Messenger), and the Word. The sun does not come out of the sky, but remains millions of miles away, but there is this perfectly polished mirror, which perfectly reflects that sunlight, or its rays, to us… and we “need” that light, right?

OKAY…your done with the analogy now, it’s get-
ting too long, too complex, and does not adhere
to Scripture at all.
.

 

[daler]

That’s actually almost perfect the way you stated that, Paul
said something similar, but with an even more profound TruthSpeaking of Jesus):
Who is the image of the invisible God, the ** firstborn** of every creature:
For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and
invisible, whether thrones, or nominations, or principalities, or powers:
all things were created by him and in him. And he is before all,and by
him all things consist.

• (Colossians 1:15-17)

You can’t exactly quote a Catholic Saint. Why Not? Why ever Not? Because he does
not believe the same thing you do. He said what he said very well, but you can’t use it
to support your case when he himself would never approve with your usage of his own
words. Also, he was one of the many theologians who actually supported the Nicene
Creed, devistating to the Baha’i Faith. Not only that, in the very quote you chose just
so happens to use the word hypostasis, a word which has been used to describe the
union of Christ’s humanity and divinity.

So on the one hand, it’s just plain unfair to take a quote out
of its context, on the other it is rather funny when the quote
you wrongly use happens to hurt your position.
youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE

Ha Ha Ha, my friend, Judas… You make big joke. Yes?

There is nothing in the heavens or in the earth which is devastating to the Baha’i Faith.

. “This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future. Let him that seeketh, attain it; and as to him that hath refused to seek it—verily, God is Self-Sufficient, above any need of His creatures…” Baha’u’llah

reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/PB/pb-63.html

. My friend, there is no threat to the unity of God, nor can His Messengers be pitted one against another. This is human folly, pure and simple. That we ourselves do not fully appreciate the nature or the Revelation of the Prophets of God, and tend to see them only through the broken glasses and tinted lenses that have been handed to us does not detract from Their beauty and the fragrance of Their utterances. Indeed, He has plainly stated: “All the Prophets proclaim the same Faith”

reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/WOB/wob-30.html

. We cannot divorce the fruit from the flower, nor that from the twig, nor the twig from the stem, or the branch from the trunk, nor the trunk from the root, nor the root from the seed, nor the seed from the soil, nor the soil from the sun, nor the sun from the heavens which bore it…

. What we must do is try to observe that our position upon this Mighty Tree of God is relative to the spot which we have inherited, and not “fear” to fly about and take in the vision of the Whole Tree of Divine Revelation. Yet the Jews still squawk about the branches after Moses, and the Muslims (some of them) still attempt to saw off the limbs which have appeared since Muhammad (PBUH), hoping to destroy the fruit which holds the seed of the next 500,000 years!!!

. What a Mighty Tree this is, which attracts termites only to its dead roots, which enjoy a tidy meal. Are we mere termites? I “Love” this Heavenly Tree. May my life be a sacrifice for the Beauty of its Flowers and Their Fragrance, and the taste of Its fresh Fruits and all the Revelations that flow out from it.

. When I was a kid, we had a pear tree right in the middle of the yard. The bees would hum around and sting us as we approached it. Kind of reminds me of this meditation of Baha’u’llah:

. “How sweet to my taste is the bitterness of death suffered in Thy path, and how precious in my estimation are the shafts of Thine enemies when encountered for the sake of the exaltation of Thy word! Let me quaff in Thy Cause, O my God, whatsoever Thou didst desire, and send down upon me in Thy love all Thou didst ordain. By Thy glory! I wish only what Thou wishest, and cherish what Thou cherishest. In Thee have I, at all times, placed my whole trust and confidence.
. Raise up, I implore Thee, O my God, as helpers to this Revelation such as shall be counted worthy of Thy name and of Thy sovereignty, that they may remember me among Thy creatures, and hoist the ensigns of Thy victory in Thy land.
. Potent art Thou to do what pleaseth Thee. No God is there but Thee, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting.”

reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/PM/pm-92.html

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

…so please provide a rational meaning to his words here, so I may be able to understand clearly please?

This is the times, the times of the end when God is seeing if we can “overcome”

.

I can’t precisely articulate St. Basil’s words into a simpler form, I’m no genius, but I do know (based on a few facts) what he definitely didn’t mean. I looked up the link you posted, looked earlier on the page, and found a coupler of statements harmful to the Baha’i position on Jesus:

He (speaking of Jesus) who eternally exists in the Father can never be cut
off from the Father, nor can He who works all things by the Spirit ever be
disjoined from His own Spirit.
If we ask, if the supply of good things which thus comes to the saints has its origin in
the Holy Ghost alone, we are on the other hand guided by Scripture to the belief that
of the supply of the good things which are wrought in us through the Holy Ghost, the
Originator and Cause is the Only-begotten God referring to Jesus); for we are taught
by Holy Scripture that All things were made by Him (John 1:3), and by Him consist
(Colossians 1:17).

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Ha Ha Ha, my friend, Judas… You make big joke. Yes?

There is nothing in the heavens or in the earth which is devastating to the Baha’i Faith.

. “This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future. Let him that seeketh, attain it; and as to him that hath refused to seek it—verily, God is Self-Sufficient, above any need of His creatures…” Baha’u’llah

How about the Bible? Can you prove the Baha’i Faith with the Bible? Can you
use the Bible in light of the language, grammar, context, etc, which God used
for our understanding? Yes this will require scholarly efforts on your part.

 

[nmgauss]

YES, Muhammad developed into a consummate and ruthless politician and warlord, who could also employ diplomatic ploys when it suited his agenda. It also appears that a lot of the time ‘religion’ was also subservient to his rather worldly centric purpose.

You say as part of your post that you ‘suppose’ that Jesus could gather a large enough group to offer strong resistance against His detractors, well all evidence points to that ‘strong resistance’ being from ‘moral authority’ only. Even when the Temple Guard came to arrest Him and Simon Peter resisted, Jesus told him to put away his sword/long knife.

Amongst Jesus’ last words, while hanging on the cross, “Father forgive them for they know not what they do”. - Luke 23:34

Amongst Muhammad’s last words, “May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets”. - Bukhari Vol.1, #427

It’s unfortunate that Jesus died in his early thirties and Muhammad died in his mid sixties. If Jesus had not been crucified at so young and naïve an age and had been able to rally enough powerful people to his side, my guess is that he would have had a war on his hands. If he was going to continue his work, he would have had to defend his followers against enemies, else perish. Jesus experienced anger and had a violent streak. Why not carry this to actual warfare?

Jesus was so inexperienced in dealing with people that he did not recognize that evil people around him would do him in unless he took measures to defend himself. Muhammad became experienced at handling people. He had a better idea of how to achieve his goals instead of letting his enemies crucify him without any resistance.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

It’s unfortunate that Jesus died in his early thirties and Muhammad died in his mid sixties. If Jesus had not been crucified at so young and naïve an age and had been able to rally enough powerful people to his side, my guess is that he would have had a war on his hands. If he was going to continue his work, he would have had to defend his followers against enemies, else perish. Jesus experienced anger and had a violent streak. Why not carry this to actual warfare?

Jesus was so inexperienced in dealing with people that he did not recognize that evil people around him would do him in unless he took measures to defend himself. Muhammad became experienced at handling people. He had a better idea of how to achieve his goals instead of letting his enemies crucify him without any resistance.

Still lost, huh?

Jesus’ anger and violent streak, if I’m correct in your thinking, was in the Temple which
was turned into a marketplace essentially. Imagine if you came home and found that
your home wasn’t there anymore, but a Grocery store, and you weren’t even aloud in.
Such was the case there, and if you were in God’s place, in Jesus’ place, you would
have been outraged as well, and did everything you could to drive everyone out of the
house that belongs to you and only you.

Jesus was 33 years old too when he died, where’s the “naïve” coming from? Anyway,
the hypothetical Jesus you described WAS in fact the Messiah which the Jews at the
time under the scourge of Rome were hoping for, but that’s not the one who could save
their souls. Jesus didn’t intend on living longer, develop a sizable army, and defeat the
Romans. That doesn’t save the soul. It saves Israel, but not the soul.

Jesus came to preach the Truth, lay his life down to those who hated
him, and died the death that should have been every one of our own.

He was wounded for our transgressions,
Crushed for our iniquities: The punish―
ment that brought us peace was on him,
By his wounds we are healed.

• (Isaiah 53:5)

 

[Mount_Carmel]

Yes this is correct Carmel, Jesus did say those things. When you are the most devout, loyal and perfect Messenger, giving us the Words of your Master without a letter out of place, then everyone who hears your Words see it as being the Words of your Master.

They are one, in the sense that He represented His Masters Message and Qualities perfectly, not that He is the Same Person literally…

Now in regards to existing before Abraham. What makes you think that an Almighty God could not create Beings that are timeless and eternal Beings?

Jesus’ choice of words for identifying Himself puts himself as totally ONE in and with GOD, not just as a ‘special being’. “I AM” = YAHWEH = GOD. Nothing holy and good and not mad and that wasn’t God would identify himself thus, as to do so would be sacrilege.

If Jesus is the most perfect ‘Messenger’, why then would God have one after Him, and one that who was very far from perfect? Why should Muslims hold Muhammad up as being the prime messenger/prophet, that being the case?

 

[Servant19]

Jesus’ choice of words for identifying Himself puts himself as totally ONE in and with GOD, not just as a ‘special being’. “I AM” = YAHWEH = GOD. Nothing holy and good and not mad and that wasn’t God would identify himself thus, as to do so would be sacrilege.

If Jesus is the most perfect ‘Messenger’, why then would God have one after Him, and one that who was very far from perfect? Why should Muslims hold Muhammad up as being the prime messenger/prophet, that being the case?

Hi Carmel, I think some of the previous posts recently have outline pretty conclusively that God is speaking THROUGH Jesus, using the Christ as some form of human Mouthpiece as it were.

In terms of being the Perfect Messenger, there is a need for Perfect Messengers for each Age as humanity evolves, both materially and spiritually and as the human psyche and consciousness expands towards the recognition of the world as a single collective entity.

Gods guidance is correlated with the spiritual evolution of humanity through progressive Messengers, who are the Perfect Mouthpiece for God for each Age

 

[Servant19]

I can’t precisely articulate St. Basil’s words into a simpler form, I’m no genius, but I do know (based on a few facts) what he definitely didn’t mean. I looked up the link you posted, looked earlier on the page, and found a coupler of statements harmful to the Baha’i position on Jesus:

He (speaking of Jesus) who eternally exists in the Father can never be cut
off from the Father, nor can He who works all things by the Spirit ever be
disjoined from His own Spirit.
If we ask, if the supply of good things which thus comes to the saints has its origin in
the Holy Ghost alone, we are on the other hand guided by Scripture to the belief that
of the supply of the good things which are wrought in us through the Holy Ghost, the
Originator and Cause is the Only-begotten God referring to Jesus); for we are taught
by Holy Scripture that All things were made by Him (John 1:3), and by Him consist
(Colossians 1:17).

Even a non precise articulation on how St. Basil’s words equate to Jesus being God would be sufficient.

There is nothing in the passage you quoted that is harmful to the Bahai position at all.

We have a Messenger that is intimately related to and the perfect Representative and Mouthpiece of His Master.

Now, how you’re ever going to comprehend the Baha’i position that the Master/Father is actually Baha’u’llah is beyond me, it seems there’s a lot of soul searching to be done, but as I said to Carmel, humanity is evolving and it takes a LOT of overcoming prejudices, barriers and walls in order to get to the Bahai Truths which elaborate on these concepts so eloquently …

God bless

 

[daler]

How about the Bible? Can you prove the Baha’i Faith with the Bible? Can you
use the Bible in light of the language, grammar, context, etc, which God used
for our understanding? Yes this will require scholarly efforts on your part.

Judas,
. I most graciously accept your invitation and of your part in this I only ask some patience as my understanding proceeds from a keen interest in this which pitted evidence against my own skeptical brain, which had a scientific bent and bias fighting me all the way. For I lived within the “sure” view of the world that prophecies of the future could never hold water, whether of time or place of future events, and only in the face of the evidence which I shall present to you was I obliged to see the world through the eyes of the Prophets Who uttered them, slowly, as bit by bit, and piece by piece, they collectively and over time formed the solution to the most great jigsaw puzzle ever conceived: one conceived by God Himself, which He revealed in the most remarkable way, and on which required setting aside pre-conceived notions. Are you willing to do your part, my honored friend? If so, this will take a bit on my part, and yours, for I am not a scholar, yet serious nonetheless, and expect to be taken seriously by one of sober judgement.

. So I will pose pieces for you, in segments, none to be quickly either accepted or rejected, but rather as a composite of sketches which will slowly accrue to form an image which shall be recognizable or not, the basis of which must of necessity be coherent in its whole and reasonable from its own point of view to those who hold them, asking only that with your honesty you see the pattern as it emerges which is logical to myself and a host of others, many of whom have been killed for professing the outcome or imprisoned, such as my children’s aunt and cousins, witnessing with their blood, as have the relatives of my close friends. Thus, I will ask you to withhold your judgement for some time to come, for it will take some pages and effort on my part to do the research sufficient to satisfy a serious person such as you present yourself to be. I ask that you do not hurry me and promise that I shall not prolong unnecessarily the evidence relative to answering your considered questions and will value your time as my own.

Shall we begin? In the beginning, God created the earth and the heavens in “7” days, which number reoccurs in later prophecy in several books of the Bible. Why is “7” significant. We shall examine its use and recurrence and see. I will ask of you some homework, especially the Book of Daniel, paying attention to the numbers in his visions, those being 2300, 1260, 1280, and 1290, as well as "time (360) + times (720) + and a half of time (180) which total again 1260.

This will repeat itself in Revelations as 1260, 42 months X 30 days = 1260, and 3 1/2 days (X 360 days per year) again = 1260, which number agrees with Daniel and is of great importance as this all unfolds.

. Early on, in Leviticus 26:18 God warns the Jewish people: “And if, in spite of all this, you still disobey me, I will punish you seven times over for your sins.”

. This number 7 will appear again and again, first in Daniel, when it is given now in 7 units of “half-times”, appearing in the prophecies as “time, times, and a half”. Each time is a year of 360 days, and each day is equal to a year in prophecy, according to

. Ezekial 4:6 “I have appointed thee each day for a year…” (this relates to prophecy)
.
. Numbers 14:33.34 “Your sons shall be shepherds for forty years in the wilderness, and they will suffer for your unfaithfulness, until your corpses lie in the wilderness. According to the number of days which you spied out the land, forty days, for every day you shall bear your guilt a year, even forty years, and you will know My opposition.” (again this relates to prophetic time, “each day for a year”)

. Daniel has visions of the end times, or the time of the end, and accurately predicts the appearance of the Messiah Jesus, when He would be “cut off”, meaning crucified at 70 weeks (of years), which equal 490, which starting point is the same as the 2300 day (years) which was to begin with the decree to rebuild the Temple, and this occurred under Artaxerxes in the year 457 BC, who issued orders to do so. Note Ezra, where decrees under Cyrus in 536 BC, Darius 519 BC, Artaxerxes 457 BC, and reconfirmed by Artaxerxes again in 444 BC.

I ask you to study and familiarize yourself with Daniel, to do a little work, notice the numbers and the promises, and the meaning of which was “sealed” to the time of the end, when the meaning would be unsealed by the coming of the Lord, and that none shall know the meaning of this until He Himself opens the Book.

Very very tired no friend. Only a start. Must sleep Thank you much
God bless will try to find time tomorrow or Sunday There is more, much more, and quite precise.

Dale
.

 

[Mount_Carmel]

Hi Carmel, I think some of the previous posts recently have outline pretty conclusively that God is speaking THROUGH Jesus, using the Christ as some form of human Mouthpiece as it were.

In terms of being the Perfect Messenger, there is a need for Perfect Messengers for each Age as humanity evolves, both materially and spiritually and as the human psyche and consciousness expands towards the recognition of the world as a single collective entity.

Gods guidance is correlated with the spiritual evolution of humanity through progressive Messengers, who are the Perfect Mouthpiece for God for each Age

Well, AFTER reading the Bible, OT and NT, and after reading most that the Muslim ‘Trilogy’ has to say, and studying the historic backgrounds according to followers of the time and later followers, and of historic references from those who were not 'followers, and from modern academic scholarship I must say that your post has far from got me convinced. [This despite my supposed ‘IQ of 164’ and comments on academic assignments of ‘very insightful’ and ‘you are obviously capable of complex thought and analysis’ from professors.] Oh well.

 

[Tom_Baum]

Hi Tom, when the purpose of religion is seen as to GUIDE a population out of the lethargic depths of ignorance, it is important that the Message of that religion strikes a fine balance between:

1. catering for the needs a capacities of understanding of that population, and
2. Providing small seeds of guidance, enabling the grace thus showered forth, to mature that small seed into a tree so it may reap goodly fruits.

So not too much, not too little, in terms of Gods guidance. So with this in mind, if you were God, how would you bring, the Jews in one era, and the Arabs in another era, given the climate of their thoughts and spiritual condition, out of their spiritual lethargy towards recognizing the one God?

Ponder and meditate on it a while, dear friend

As far as “if you were God, how would you bring, the Jews in one era, and the Arabs in another era, given the climate of their thoughts and spiritual condition, out of their spiritual lethargy towards recognizing the one God?”

If I were God maybe I would find it more important to have a Plan for the Salvation of ALL and implement this Plan rather than worrying about whether everyone would recognize Me, since I would be more concerned with My creation than their opinion of Me.

However, since I am not God, I will have to trust and hope that God cares more about us, all of us, than our opinion of God.

 

[Tom_Baum]

For humans, the method by which we can understand anything is through verbal or written Word.

According to what is written in the bible, Jesus would disagree with you, when He said that “He would send the Holy Spirit to guide us…”, this is directed to those physically present when He said this and to those of us that would come later, He even told His original Apostles to wait for the Holy Spirit because they needed the Holy Spirit to do what they would do.

Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit to open up their minds to the meaning/s of the verbal words and later the verbal and written words one would not have understanding.

One does not have to understand all, one needs only to understand what one needs to understand to do what one is called/chosen to do.

 

[rinnie]

Christians do not say that God is a man. That is to say, we do not say that the divine nature is limited and flawed in the ways that humans are.

What we say is that the divine Logos, the Word and Wisdom of God, took on human nature, so that the human being Jesus was at once the divine Logos and a human being.

Edwin

God is Man in the person of Christ.

 

[rinnie]

Yes, the Catholic Church also emphasizes that there is only one God, and that God is pure Spirit.

The teaching is not that God–in his nature–was incarnated. God has only one nature–a divine nature. The teaching is rather that the Person of the Son, who possesses the one divine nature, was incarnated. Persons, not natures, can be incarnated. But I’m not going to restate Trinitarian theology here. For that, I recommend Frank Sheed’s “Theology for Beginners,” and “Theology and Sanity.”

I think that Islam might never had gotten started on such a heretical track had it not first been influenced by Arian heretics at the outset.

God doesn’t send prophets to contradict one another.

True, some people might mistake someone for a prophet when he is not.

Some thought that Jim Jones was a prophet, but they were wrong.

This is worth repeating!

 

[Tom_Baum]

No no no…DON’T FORGET THE BIBLE.

It is you that is forgetting the first 10 references you gave, which I typed out for you “word for word”, which all reflected PERFECTLY what is the Islamic understanding of Jesus and the other Messengers.
God bless

That which is, reflected PERFECTLY in the Islamic understanding of Jesus, by your own words, is absolutely and totally at odds with what is the understanding of Jesus in Christianity, therefore all of the back and forth concerning this, points out quite clearly, that one or the other is true or they are both false, they can NOT both be true.

It is quite clear from your “reflected PERFECTLY what is the Islamic understanding of Jesus” that the koran, and whatever other writings you are speaking of, are a total repudiation of what Christianity is about and that is that God became One of us in the Incarnation.

Either God became One of us or God didn’t, there is no middle ground, I repeat: either both are false, one or the other is true but they can NOT both be true.

Jesus flat-out said He was/is God and it was for this supposed blasphemy that the Jews connived the Romans into crucifying Jesus since the Jews of Jesus’s day, being an occupied country, did not have the authority to carry out capital punishments on their own.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Even a non precise articulation on how St. Basil’s words equate to Jesus being God would be sufficient.

There is nothing in the passage you quoted that is harmful to the Bahai position at all.

We have a Messenger that is intimately related to and the perfect Representative and Mouthpiece of His Master.

Now, how you’re ever going to comprehend the Baha’i position that the Master/Father is actually Baha’u’llah is beyond me, it seems there’s a lot of soul searching to be done, but as I said to Carmel, humanity is evolving and it takes a LOT of overcoming prejudices, barriers and walls in order to get to the Bahai Truths which elaborate on these concepts so eloquently …

God bless

But what you’re not getting is that in the quotes of Basil earlier than the part you quoted
he is describing Jesus as being as eternal as the Father, being God and Creator. You’re
problem choosing St. Basil as your support is that you know that he would never agree
with your use of his words. You have to take his words only in the context of what he be-
lieved, not just apply them to whatever belief system you want.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

…Shall we begin? In the beginning, God created the earth and the heavens in “7” days, which number reoccurs in later prophecy in several books of the Bible. Why is “7” significant. We shall examine its use and recurrence and see. I will ask of you some homework, especially the Book of Daniel, paying attention to the numbers in his visions, those being 2300, 1260, 1280, and 1290, as well as "time (360) + times (720) + and a half of time (180) which total again 1260.

This will repeat itself in Revelations as 1260, 42 months X 30 days = 1260, and 3 1/2 days (X 360 days per year) again = 1260, which number agrees with Daniel and is of great importance as this all unfolds.

. Early on, in Leviticus 26:18 God warns the Jewish people: “And if, in spite of all this, you still disobey me, I will punish you seven times over for your sins.”

. This number 7 will appear again and again, first in Daniel, when it is given now in 7 units of “half-times”, appearing in the prophecies as “time, times, and a half”. Each time is a year of 360 days, and each day is equal to a year in prophecy, according to

. Ezekial 4:6 “I have appointed thee each day for a year…” (this relates to prophecy)
.
. Numbers 14:33.34 “Your sons shall be shepherds for forty years in the wilderness, and they will suffer for your unfaithfulness, until your corpses lie in the wilderness. According to the number of days which you spied out the land, forty days, for every day you shall bear your guilt a year, even forty years, and you will know My opposition.” (again this relates to prophetic time, “each day for a year”)

. Daniel has visions of the end times, or the time of the end, and accurately predicts the appearance of the Messiah Jesus, when He would be “cut off”, meaning crucified at 70 weeks (of years), which equal 490, which starting point is the same as the 2300 day (years) which was to begin with the decree to rebuild the Temple, and this occurred under Artaxerxes in the year 457 BC, who issued orders to do so. Note Ezra, where decrees under Cyrus in 536 BC, Darius 519 BC, Artaxerxes 457 BC, and reconfirmed by Artaxerxes again in 444 BC.

I ask you to study and familiarize yourself with Daniel, to do a little work, notice the numbers and the promises, and the meaning of which was “sealed” to the time of the end, when the meaning would be unsealed by the coming of the Lord, and that none shall know the meaning of this until He Himself opens the Book.

Very very tired no friend. Only a start. Must sleep Thank you much
God bless will try to find time tomorrow or Sunday There is more, much more, and quite precise.

Dale
.

I see you do take a lot of numerical information from Scripture, very good,
but that tells me nothing about how the Bible justifies the Baha’i Faith.