Could The Mormon Church Be The "true Church" Of Christ

[Stephen168]

As for using the hall for free at the local Stake Center ~ whoopee, but I never thought it a very charming venue for a wedding reception, for example, to be held in a basketball court.

The Parish I attended in High School was a converted YMCA and services were held in what was the gym. We got married there and as we looked through our wedding pictures, we realized we were married at the free throw line. Now we enjoy telling people we got married at the ‘free throw line’. A small reception was held after at the Parish. All for free!!

 

[MelanieAnne]

Uh oh. Showing your age. That show hasn’t been on for 50 years!

“Do YOU want to be QUEEN for a DAY?”

I actually AM “Her Serene Highness the Queen of Rivolis”

It’s not a TV show

 

[RebeccaJ]

Uh oh. Showing your age. That show hasn’t been on for 50 years!

“Do YOU want to be QUEEN for a DAY?”

I have no idea what you are talking about. I was thinking of the Green Day song, “King for a Day”, and just modified it for Melanie, to be “Queen”. And, ummm, didn’t consider the rest of the lyrics to be relevant.



Do YOU want to be QUEEN for a DAY?

 

[mfbukowski]

HEY MFBUKOWSKI, Yes, thank goodness we survived Katrina! It is still a mess around here! I’m sure we will get our southern beauty back, but it will be a while! Our economy is struggling badly (casinos are our main source). How did your son like it here? Fortunately my southern accent does show up most of the time in my writings, but it sure does slip away from real fast at times when i get to rambling on…lol but anyways, could you elaborate a little about what how y’all believe that to be different than Mary?

Well I actually believe that Mary could bodily be “in heaven”. We have two different states that people can be in, bodily “in heaven”. I put it in quotes because our whole after life thing is quite different than yours-- perhaps I should use the word “paradise” which probably works for both of us.

Anyway, we believe that Elijah Enoch and actually Moses – at least for a while- where what we call “translated” beings – it’s a state of being raised to a level that one can be in the presence of God without being consumed by the light of his glory. But it happens without the person dying. Remember when Moses went into the mountain to receive the commandments, and he came back and his face was glowing? It is the same analogy RebeccaJ always uses of the poker in the fire-- he was “lit” if you will by being in the presence of the Father (here actually Yahweh/ Jehovah/ Jesus Christ- the Father of our salvation)

So translation is different than resurrection. When you are translated you still have your own earthly body, but it is raised to an immortal state. Translation is usually a temporary state when the one who is translated has a certain mission to do that requires a human body. An example of this would be Moses. The bible does not directly ever say that he died. Elijah was another who was taken without tasting death. We believe that certain “ordinances” which roughly correspond to your “sacraments” MUST be done on this earth while in a human body. Ordination is one of these ordinances. So we believe the reason that Moses and Elijah were preserved in the flesh was so that they could come back to pass on their priesthood in the Restoration of the priesthood through Joseph S.

When you are resurrected, your body is renewed to it’s previous state, but in a way it is no longer the “same”- it is either a celestial terestrial or telestial body – which Paul speaks of in the NT.

So Moses and Elijah will be/have been “changed in the twinkling of an eye” to a resurrected state as it says in the scriptures, having never tasted death.

I personally believe that is possible in the case of Mary as well, though I don’t know, and it is certainly not Mormon doctrine and there is no evidence for it in the scriptures. She certainly was “up there” among the greatest of humans to have ever lived. No question.

So ask your husband if he thinks Mary was “translated”, and he will be surprised you even know the term! And you will have something to talk about!

I bet my son knows your husband or at least has met him. He knew all the active members in the Biloxi area, and served around there I think for almost 6 months.

 

[mfbukowski]

Bukowski, I’m not doubting your experience, but I can also say that what you are saying to me is beyond anything I have ever experienced in my parish. Indeed, my pastor is one who emphatically CANNOT be bought, although some have tried and failed. You’ve done a good job of painting the Priest in a poor light, when were you thinking of asking him about his side of the story?

As for using the hall for free at the local Stake Center ~ whoopee, but I never thought it a very charming venue for a wedding reception, for example, to be held in a basketball court.

And using the example you gave of the family you’re in the process of converting, do you really find it persuasive that someone’s testimony is “true” when they convert to get a free room for a party? Let’s see what the retention is when the kids are adults.

The bottom line is, none of this validates your theology.

Just the facts ma’am. That’s my experience

Well I have been a member now about 30 years, so my personal retention rate has been good, as well as the other 40% of my ward. You have a very warped view of Mormonism. You really know nothing about it.

Notice I said “they have a good spiritual testimony”. She had a dream about seeing the Catholic church as a dead tree with a gleaming white Mormon temple streaming light hanging off of one of the limbs, beckoning her in. It’s a start. She is memorizing vast sections of the Book of Mormon without being asked to do so. Her husband was ready to be baptized before she was. He is leading the family as she was. He has a strong testimony. The kids are still attending mass and whatever you call your instruction classes, but they don’t believe a word of it, and it makes no sense to them. Our church makes sense to them and they understand everything. I guess it’s all those “mysteries”. Same problem I had.

I was not attempting to validate anything with this example. And you would be surprised at what can be done to turn a basketball court into a reception hall. I should post some pictures of receptions held there. What usually happens is we have huge white drapes that fasten to the ceiling in the center, which turns the whole ceiling into like a large white draped Arabian tent. Little twinkly Christmas lights really set it off. Imagine walking into a white “tent” the size of a basketball court with twinkly lights everywhere on the ceiling and the walls. It’s pretty magical. And free is a good thing. Newlyweds don’t need to spend thousands for a reception hall at that point in their lives. No bar saves tons of money too. No booze bill, no smoking, eveybody having a good time. You should experience one sometime. You need some real Mormon friends.

 

[mfbukowski]

The Parish I attended in High School was a converted YMCA and services were held in what was the gym. We got married there and as we looked through our wedding pictures, we realized we were married at the free throw line. Now we enjoy telling people we got married at the ‘free throw line’. A small reception was held after at the Parish. All for free!!

 

[mfbukowski]

I actually AM “Her Serene Highness the Queen of Rivolis”

It’s not a TV show

Oh. I have always liked Italian food.

 

[mfbukowski]

Do YOU want to be QUEEN for a DAY?

Got me good!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_for_a_Day

See up there where it says “Senior Member”? They ain’t justa kiddin!

 

[RebeccaJ]

I was not attempting to validate anything with this example. And you would be surprised at what can be done to turn a basketball court into a reception hall. I should post some pictures of receptions held there. What usually happens is we have huge white drapes that fasten to the ceiling in the center, which turns the whole ceiling into like a large white draped Arabian tent. Little twinkly Christmas lights really set it off. Imagine walking into a white “tent” the size of a basketball court with twinkly lights everywhere on the ceiling and the walls. It’s pretty magical. And free is a good thing. Newlyweds don’t need to spend thousands for a reception hall at that point in their lives. No bar saves tons of money too. No booze bill, no smoking, eveybody having a good time. You should experience one sometime. You need some real Mormon friends.

Last Friday I received a wedding announcement for my nephew. My mom asked if I had received a wedding invitation. In my head, I was thinking, “no, I received an announcement”. But I know what she meant. She hadn’t received one yet and she was just asking if mine had arrived. Hers came later that day in the mail and she was very excited to be invited to the sealing.

Their wedding reception is going to be at a reception hall, one of the numerous in the SLC valley that Mormons use.

I have been to many a wedding reception in the “cultural hall”. Some with balloons hanging from the basketball standard. Some with a lattice screen. Others draped like you are talking about.

They are rather boring. Most don’t even have dancing. Just the bride and groom standing there shaking people’s hands. :yawn:

 

[mfbukowski]

Last Friday I received a wedding announcement for my nephew. My mom asked if I had received a wedding invitation. In my head, I was thinking, “no, I received an announcement”. But I know what she meant. She hadn’t received one yet and she was just asking if mine had arrived. Hers came later that day in the mail and she was very excited to be invited to the sealing.

Their wedding reception is going to be at a reception hall, one of the numerous in the SLC valley that Mormons use.

I have been to many a wedding reception in the “cultural hall”. Some with balloons hanging from the basketball standard. Some with a lattice screen. Others draped like you are talking about.

They are rather boring. Most don’t even have dancing. Just the bride and groom standing there shaking people’s hands. :yawn:

Oh man, not ours. We have DJ’s, dancing, tons of food – you should be at a Samoan wedding sometime – you don’t have to eat for a week after one of those – a roast pig or two – a few line dances (Utah influence you know) and Golly Clem, we really cut a rug!

That’ll tell you, Missy! I told you I was kinda nerdy! A student radical, but kinda nerdy anyway. I think it was the nerds who became radicals. It certainly wasn’t the football players and the cheerleaders.

 

[MelanieAnne]

Just the facts ma’am. That’s my experience

Well I have been a member now about 30 years, so my personal retention rate has been good, as well as the other 40% of my ward. You have a very warped view of Mormonism. You really know nothing about it.

Notice I said “they have a good spiritual testimony”. She had a dream about seeing the Catholic church as a dead tree with a gleaming white Mormon temple streaming light hanging off of one of the limbs, beckoning her in. It’s a start. She is memorizing vast sections of the Book of Mormon without being asked to do so. Her husband was ready to be baptized before she was. He is leading the family as she was. He has a strong testimony. The kids are still attending mass and whatever you call your instruction classes, but they don’t believe a word of it, and it makes no sense to them. Our church makes sense to them and they understand everything. I guess it’s all those “mysteries”. Same problem I had.

I was not attempting to validate anything with this example. And you would be surprised at what can be done to turn a basketball court into a reception hall. I should post some pictures of receptions held there. What usually happens is we have huge white drapes that fasten to the ceiling in the center, which turns the whole ceiling into like a large white draped Arabian tent. Little twinkly Christmas lights really set it off. Imagine walking into a white “tent” the size of a basketball court with twinkly lights everywhere on the ceiling and the walls. It’s pretty magical. And free is a good thing. Newlyweds don’t need to spend thousands for a reception hall at that point in their lives. No bar saves tons of money too. No booze bill, no smoking, eveybody having a good time. You should experience one sometime. You need some real Mormon friends.

I don’t have a warped view Bukowski, I just don’t have YOUR view. Maybe YOU’RE the one with the warped view? After all YOU’RE the one that left the church organized by Jesus.

I’ve been to lots of Mormon weddings and/or receptions including all the fancy treatments in the basketball court. My daughter has too. And she’s still not impressed. So when she gets married this year, even though she has two Mormon (garment wearing) attendants (which made figuring out bridesmaid dresses a nightmare!) it will NOT be in that kind of venue. And she’s not spending thousands of dollars either.

And I have lots of Mormon friends Bukowski, really nice people. I have one friend that goes back over 40 years. The entire family considers me “one of them”. I have a really good friend whose daughter works with me, and it standing within 4 feet of me right now as I type this, who is a Mormon. My friend is the Relief Society President in her local ward. Her daughter (the one that works with me) doesn’t go to church, in fact only one of her 6 children do. I’ve worked with the local stake on their theatrical productions, and when I do they call me Sister XXX (name withheld to protect the guilty ) I speak “Mormon” and when I’m with them, they all treat me as one of them. Most of them probably think I AM one of them.

So don’t tell me I know nothing of Mormonism or need “real” Mormon friends. I have lots of real Mormon friends and I know plenty about Mormonism. I also know the Mormon church is NOT the “true church”. I know enough about it to know that FOR SURE.

On the other hand, you left the “true church” a long time ago, and now you’re persuading others to leave it. All of those things are on your head and will be things you will be called to account for some day.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Oh man, not ours. We have DJ’s, dancing, tons of food – you should be at a Samoan wedding sometime – you don’t have to eat for a week after one of those – a roast pig or two – a few line dances (Utah influence you know) and Golly Clem, we really cut a rug!

That’ll tell you, Missy! I told you I was kinda nerdy! A student radical, but kinda nerdy anyway. I think it was the nerds who became radicals. It certainly wasn’t the football players and the cheerleaders.

Well, if I’m going to be doing the boot scoot boogey, there had better be some booze.

 

[MelanieAnne]

Oh. I have always liked Italian food.

I’m “Her Serene Highness the Queen of Rivolis”.

Rivolis are not the same as Raviolis. Rivolis are not food at all. So I would discourage you from trying to eat them.

 

[Stephen168]

Some with balloons hanging from the basketball standard. Some with a lattice screen. Others draped like you are talking about.

They are rather boring. Most don’t even have dancing. Just the bride and groom standing there shaking people’s hands. :yawn:

At least at my old Parish it looked like a Catholic Church inside. The photographer took a few picture from an unused loft and that was the first time we noticed that the lines were still on the floor. Since I left they have had a beautiful Church.

Are there other Churches that charge money to have a wedding there?

 

[RebeccaJ]

At least at my old Parish it looked like a Catholic Church inside. The photographer took a few picture from an unused loft and that was the first time we noticed that the lines were still on the floor. Since I left they have had a beautiful Church.

I was married in a reception center, by a mormon bishop.

Are there other Churches that charge money to have a wedding there?

I have no idea.

 

[MelanieAnne]

I think it is typical for most places to have some charge for a reception just to cover the expense of the lights, the cleanup afterwards, etc. It may not be a big charge, but it’s a charge.

It is also typical for some money to be given to the person who officiates at the wedding, it’s not thousands of dollars, and it is considered a gift, but it is still typical. Perhaps this would be something that is not done in any venue where a Mormon marriage is performed.

 

[mfbukowski]

On the other hand, you left the “true church” a long time ago, and now you’re persuading others to leave it. All of those things are on your head and will be things you will be called to account for some day.

I don’t know. After all I am invincibly ignorant, aren’t I? I’ll take my chances thank you. I know I am right.

 

[mfbukowski]

I’m “Her Serene Highness the Queen of Rivolis”.

Rivolis are not the same as Raviolis. Rivolis are not food at all. So I would discourage you from trying to eat them.

A little roughage is a good thing.

 

[MelanieAnne]

A little roughage is a good thing.

OK, I’ll grind some up and you can put it in your juice. Since they’re crystal, they do have some lead content, so take that into account as you consume it.

 

[mfbukowski]

I was married in a reception center, by a mormon bishop.

I think you mentioned once your dad was a bishop? Was it your dad?