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Wait a sec, they don’t have bodies. Also, there’s not a number of angels that is “too many”.
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crochet_lady
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Someone commented that ever since Adam, our intellects have been weakened. In what way has That supposedly happened? God has created us all as unique individuals. We All have differing intellectual capacities. We have the capacities for developing / inventing or else we would Not have telephones / medical technology / all the products that Have been developed and yet to Be developed.
I’ve been reading through the posts – very philosophical – and some isn’t really saying much of anything that makes sense.
Could the universe have created itself - No – so - why not spend some learning about God and how He Did create everything. It’s all in the first few chapters of Genesis.
I’ve been reading through the posts – very philosophical – and some isn’t really saying much of anything that makes sense.
Could the universe have created itself - No – so - why not spend some learning about God and how He Did create everything. It’s all in the first few chapters of Genesis.
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There is a lot of evidence that since the Fall our intellects have been weakened. Recall the perfection of Adam and Eve’s intellects in the Garden. Recall how God watched Adam naming all the creatures in the garden. Recall that Adam and Eve walked with God and spoke with him. But soon after the Fall, their children forgot all about God, to such an extent that God flooded the world. And not long after that even the children of Noe forgot about God and even began to worship nature and crafted figures as gods. Recall that even the Romans and Greeks had lost all knowledge of God. Surely that speaks of darkend intellects.
And why philosophy? God gave us an intellect to use, if we can use it to understand better the signs of his existence and what that means, what could be wrong with that. Not everything is in the Bible you know.
And yes, some of our posts are irrelevant. That is part of human nature, our minds wander and egoes get in the way.
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In the light they do have bodies, as stated we are created in the “image” of God. The Word of God is another statement in the Bible relating to the creation act and Number sequences hidden in the text written by ancient scholars relating to PHI or the Phi losophy of the Stone itself…a secret.
Think about fact before you spruik fiction if you think you know love, the spirit and what it actually is as spirit. How could a loving kind and caring being that is beyond any thought of perfection have a creation of evil in its own place of creation…it is impossible. Evil is the burnt spirit, it tells you so, why don’t you think about what you are implying by trying to invent a story that only suits Scientists.
Therefore as explained to me because I was healed by Father after I was nearly self combusted via Science experimentation of the atmosphere, his love proved to be a problem for himself. Father was once alone in the light as a loving self and the light he exists in is lower than his own holy light body, this is what he creates with.
His love began to create and emerge his family of light beings, and it was when their bodies in sound equaled his own that the mistake in light became apparent. This caused the separating sound of the new light body that emerged into the Universal Cell as it was sung away from his own, and above this creation in the lower light body as the spirit, our own human guardian angels fell out of the huge large celled angel into separated small cells. This is how the creation act happened.
Understanding how Father created is to recognize that as each family member in light was created, it sung with Father as the next family member was created. Hence when the last family member as the light being that caused the problem for him emerged, all of the previous family members were joined with Father in angelic sound, making the last light self the lowest…causing this angelic being not by purpose but by error to be pushed away from their own light Heaven.
Nature came directly out of light when the atmosphere of the Earth, singing as a light sound made the sound bridge between Father’s light Heaven and the Earth Heaven. This is because the space cell only equals itself as 1 body.
Nature was sung directly out of light and was self manifested…which is why witnessed by thousands of human beings, angelic light beings or angelic family members have walked directly out of light to assist us in times of need.
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No, they do not, not even in the “light” (except God the son, of course). “Image” is meant figuratively.
I did think about fact, It is not fiction, I do know about those things, I have thought about what I am implying, and I am not inventing anything, let alone “a story that only suits scientists”. So please stop slinging insults and ad hominems.
BTW, I’m pretty sure there is a sticky about not posting private revelations/visions unless they have been investigated by the church and vindicated.
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You are implying that our Father does not have his own separate self in the light and nor do the angels?
Separateness in light is obvious, because bodies are harmonically singing in light which is how bodies are separate in light as separate single selves existing within light itself.
This website is also to question the Catholic faith and part of this faith involves current day examination of the Church itself. If we as Father’s children do not support the truth via our own perceptions and spiritual encounters and share this information and also challenge belief, then how can the Church defend itself against the numerous attacks that it gains regarding archaeological and astronomical, besides ancient documentation that tries to discredit the reason that the Church was established.
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Where did evil come from? God did Not create evil - - He Did create Lucifer as the most beautiful angel in the heavens. Kinda of God’s ‘right hand man’ as an angel. But Lucifer wanted to be Equal to God – in his heart he wanted – all those “I Will’s” His pridefulness. A war started in heaven. Hard to believe , but Scripture says it happened. Lucifer had followers and they fought against Michael an archangel and the rest of the angels and Lucifer was thrown out of heaven. And he became Satan / the serpent and his followers became the demons / demonic world. Thus we have spiritual warfare all around us – invisible to Us, but alive and well.
Demons want us to Think that we see the bodies of our dead loved ones – ghosts, seances , etc. They can take on the appearance of people. Haunted houses / ghost buster T.V. programs.
Because God’s Word tells us that with believers in God – when a person dies they are with Christ.
WHERE are you getting your information from? And a 'burnt spirit" is where evil comes from?
Where did evil come from? God did Not create evil - - He Did create Lucifer as the most beautiful angel in the heavens. Kinda of God’s ‘right hand man’ as an angel. But Lucifer wanted to be Equal to God – in his heart he wanted – all those “I Will’s” His pridefulness. A war started in heaven. Hard to believe , but Scripture says it happened. Lucifer had followers and they fought against Michael an archangel and the rest of the angels and Lucifer was thrown out of heaven. And he became Satan / the serpent and his followers became the demons / demonic world. Thus we have spiritual warfare all around us – invisible to Us, but alive and well.
Demons want us to Think that we see the bodies of our dead loved ones – ghosts, seances , etc. They can take on the appearance of people. Haunted houses / ghost buster T.V. programs.
Because God’s Word tells us that with believers in God – when a person dies they are with Christ.
WHERE are you getting your information from? And a 'burnt spirit" is where evil comes from?
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Linusthe2nd
Regarding our intellect has weakened since Adam and Eve. People ‘forget’ God – not in an intellectual way – but in their daily lives they get side-tracked Away From God in their lives. Because of Satan’s influence – people drift away from God. And That’s what Satan is really after. There are Lots of Very intelligent people who are atheists / have No use for God.
And, yes, people had become more and more openly sinful – God was saddened by it all and caused the world-wife flood. Noah and his family were the only people who looked to God. Took Lots of courage for them to be the only believers.
Adam was the 1st man and God was giving him / us / dominion over the animal world by having Adam give names to all the animals that had been created. He had Godly wisdom.
'We see the world as it is Now - obviously. But Way back in time - it was Much smaller. I’m thinking that ‘cattle’ are the only animals actually Named. There are references made to the fish and of sea and birds of the air that God created. And since Adam named the animals as they went past him, apparently they were only land animals.
And you’re right – all knowledge is Not confined to the Bible. God has given us all intellect / understanding is various areas of life. Thus. Drs, scientists, artists, mechanics, etc, etc.
Regarding our intellect has weakened since Adam and Eve. People ‘forget’ God – not in an intellectual way – but in their daily lives they get side-tracked Away From God in their lives. Because of Satan’s influence – people drift away from God. And That’s what Satan is really after. There are Lots of Very intelligent people who are atheists / have No use for God.
And, yes, people had become more and more openly sinful – God was saddened by it all and caused the world-wife flood. Noah and his family were the only people who looked to God. Took Lots of courage for them to be the only believers.
Adam was the 1st man and God was giving him / us / dominion over the animal world by having Adam give names to all the animals that had been created. He had Godly wisdom.
'We see the world as it is Now - obviously. But Way back in time - it was Much smaller. I’m thinking that ‘cattle’ are the only animals actually Named. There are references made to the fish and of sea and birds of the air that God created. And since Adam named the animals as they went past him, apparently they were only land animals.
And you’re right – all knowledge is Not confined to the Bible. God has given us all intellect / understanding is various areas of life. Thus. Drs, scientists, artists, mechanics, etc, etc.
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He doesn’t have “his own, “separate” self” that only exists in light. He has one self, and it exists even when there is not light shining on it.
Um, no, bodies do not “sing” in light. I have no idea what you are talking about.
- The right to question the faith on CAF has nothing to do with you because your religion tag says “catholic”.
- All arguments against the church are invalid. We don’t need private revelations and “our own perceptions” to show us where the holes are.
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Just because my religious tag says catholic it does not mean “practicing Catholic”.
How can an argument be invalid when it has a conscious purpose given to us by our Father, the only truth? Are you above Father?
If Father wanted to challenge a religious belief are you therefore implying that simply being Catholic is the only way in which a message can be received and only you can verify the authenticity of that spiritual message?
Experience is a human acquired outcome from an event and if you think my life experience weird then you are more than welcome to examine it.
What you are implying is that Father was without creation to shine upon it implying that the space cell was already present, and this statement itself goes against the holy teachings. The teachings advise you that Father lost form from out of his own Heaven and this Heaven is Light.
Therefore Father first lost a body and to do this it had to have been converted. The obvious question is how could a light body convert itself and this could only imply to harmonic differences in the light itself. Therefore this would prove that our Father exists in a Light Heaven. Now if you are arguing this position, then you don’t believe that Father actually exists himself.
What you imply is that light is only “light” and it does not hold bodies within itself.
Where would you imply a spiritual vision comes from or an angelic being of light. Are you implying that these human experiences have never occurred? If so then where did the literature and the spiritual awareness come from to write the original documents regarding the loss from light?
If you question the presence of Father in the Light as a Creator who can consciously express his own self, then why believe in the Catholic doctrine, just be Scientists yourselves.
Therefore the observations of any human being rely on self experience, and even if you think yourself enabled to authenticate spirit gives rise to the summation that you think that you yourself are above human thought through scientific authentication, thought of which you yourself are a part of. In other words does consciousness exist without a body. Ask NASA, they already have the data that proves this.
If I explained to you that I was nearly self combusted and was saved by Father, then please examine by circumstances. My brain signals would verify this through the alpha frequencies that should be present in all human incoming signals that relate to organic matter. My brain will verify for you that they are missing and yet I am still functioning as a normal human consciousness.
If you have ever questioned the Christ reality, the sacrifice explains that our Father sacrificed a part of spirit to become flesh - human life. His light spirit became blood which is why human cellular development comes from his spirit in light and we return to light at death, and it is why blood is affected when Scientists alter the harmonic bonds (string theory). This is proven by the loss of planetary/Earth/Sun UFO bodies and the alien spiritual attacks occurring worldwide along with the stigmata SIGN as a warning.
My disagreement with anyone in an authority level is that authentication by the Church regarding Father seems to be placed as a substantiation through the created act itself that we call science or scientific exploration. You use an authentication practice for demonic possession, how do you authenticate a light presence or a light visitation?
Seemingly the purpose of the written word and actual spiritual experience is ignored, when its very relevance pertains that spiritual experience pre dated the attempt of a human beings understanding of experimentation regarding the creative act (as science) or an understanding of the burnt/demonic spirit.
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Father obviously can speak to whoever Father chooses, as we are all created from the same spirit - light and it is only personal choice that depicts what denomination or variation of the creative act we agree with. The scientific evidence is that an organic cell heals and reproduces itself and therefore to try and imply that a human cell evolved from a non human cell as a state of scientific evolution is a fallacy.
If you imply that there is no light spirit presence, then you could only imply that we evolved from a burnt/radiated cell…evil. Where does it biblical state that evil creates or that evil heals? Are you now trying to imply that the Christ sacrifice does not apply to a light spirit?
Consciousness itself, or the reality of a spirit is something that scientific exploration cannot nor never will be able to ascertain is a truth or simply an aspect of personal self expression. When explored through the Catholic echelon this also seems to be an agreed prevalent self expression you are now following, as you support Scientific exploration yourself and seem to ignore many attempts by our Father to prove that his light spirit is real.
Now the Church expresses that it believes in the spirit of Father through the biblical data as proof of spirit as our Creator is light, yet Scientific exploration also implies that you are researching if this is real. Hawkins seems to have implied this through his own studies of religious literature as if the space cell and creation represents the lost Heaven and the angels themselves.
Yet many human experiences have proven otherwise, and these experiences seem to be what you question as a religious belief or fact yourself.
Therefore if your Catholic predecessors prove that they imprisoned Scientists and science exploration, then they did so for a reason. Whoever originally correlated the spiritual advises did so because of spiritual contact and spiritual awareness.
I also understand that astronomical data supplied by those who supported the wisdom of the spirit of light and the holiness of the spirit regarded moving bodies as portents of truth that regarded the ancient wisdom in the Bible that human beings destroyed the first Earth life, or what is described in the Bible as the Paradise that existed on Earth. This would prove Father’s spirit is real and would deny Scientific explanation of evolution. The proof would identify that Father’s origin spirits manifested into cellular matter direct from light into the First Earth’s creation.
This would also substantiate why our cellular information was not destroyed when the sacred dust uranium was converted, only because our re-emergence into life as a human cell came a long time after Uranium. Changing uranium should have destroyed our evolution, yet it did not.
This would also prove that when the Gizean Priests were re-using the Pyramids during the Christ revival period, loss of sound bodies would have been recorded and it is where the Catholic brotherhood first emerged as those who stopped Scientific exploration. This would prove that Light created us, that all bodies in space came from a harmonic light sound body, a body that sings for the same outcome (sound) yet produced difference because the body’s point of beginning differs in each cell, yet each cell is connected by the same sound.
Hence archaeological evidence has to support that human life pre dated and existed before scientific evolution as a support of our Father’s spiritual light creation. Cremo and others have already provided this evidence, along with astronomical insights such as Mars losing its stone face, which applies to the String Theory of sound of which light involves.
The Earth stone bonds or strings were altered by first humankind as biblical stated and they caused the angelic sound fallout out of Heaven’s Earth atmosphere. They caused the enactment of Satan and burnt the Earth, causing the Sun to attack her and turn her stone into dust (uranium). It proves that Satan did not come out of our origin spiritual creation from light, but was created in the atmosphere by human beings who caused atmospheric fall out.
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If you don’t believe what catholics believe, then don’t call yourself a catholic.
I am not denying that what the Father says is valid, I am denying that He told you this.
God the Father never had a body. And he does need one to “actually exist himself”.
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The question as it stands is logically incoherent. Nothing can create itself because in order to do anything it must exist. Circular reasoning.
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wsm
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For a Creator to exist he has to have an identity that defines that his body is different in self and purpose to all else.
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wsm
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Nothing cannot create itself for it states it has no purpose, why it is called nothing, or empty.
Therefore to try and quote from the Biblical information as if it supplies you with the details of the creative act has always been a fallacy.
Space became an emptied body and when the created cell releases its own bodies as seen in the UFO releases caused by Scientists it causes travelling bodies and it also causes heat paths.
These paths are what Scientists presumed related to the Nothing, but they relate to their own selves, as releases from the Sun or planetary bodies.
The ancients were aware of this and this is the information they explained in biblical text that related to how they created a transmisSION relevant to the SION information.
The ancients could not discuss origin Creation because origin Creation had been destroyed and altered in its sound bodies, therefore they only gave an overview regarding Adam and Eve explaining that human beings changed the origin Earth given to us by our Father in the Light.
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One’s identity hardly defines one’s body. A body is just a created physical object. God is the creator, not one of the created. Also, to creat the laws of physics, he has to be immaterial.
Also, please use sensible grammar, because I have absolutely no idea what the second part of your sentence means.
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