Could this be implying commendation of homosexuality?

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Interesting thread and one that strikes a chord here in Ireland. While we love that friends are happy how can we congratulate them on a gay relationship? I am 72 today and when we were young we never knew let alone discussed eg sex. Private… Anyone who asks me now re gay sex gets asked what they think about celibacy as a lifestyle as they know I am a life long celibate.
 
Yes, somebody who has it right. Being same sex oriented is not a sin at all, yet some posters on this thread want to call it a condemning one. Two things, taken from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (so these are not my opinion but rather, the pronouncements of the Church):
  1. Some people are oriented toward homosexual preferences. They are to be lovingly accepted, and not subject to discrimination (or scorn) for this preference.
  2. Homosexual people are called to live in chastity. That is, refrain from homosexual sex acts. That’s all it says. It does not say that homosexual oriented people are called to live in chastity, and then when they die they are going to hell anyway because of their personal preference.
Because the combination of our federal and states’ governments have come up with over 74,000 laws which explicitly discriminate against single people in favor of married people (look at tax laws, insurance laws, right of attorney laws, housing laws, next-of-kin laws, etc. etc.), I fully support the concept of same sex civil unions which have the same legal protections (but not recognition by the Church) as married unions enjoy. If two homosexual people get into a relationship and want to live together as a civilly united couple for legal purposes, I see nothing wrong with celebrating it; they are not engaging in sinful behavior. If they proceed to engage in fornication, that is another issue. That is sinful and no place for celebration.

Unless one knows, with 100 percent certainty, what is happening inside the house, that person is in no position to judge the rightness or wrongness of their actions.

Oh, as for what St. Paul said about “homosexuals shall not enter the Kingdom,” I’d be careful about taking a fourth century translation of a first century Greek letter, and applying a 21st century definition to it. Paul was talking about the act, not a preference in the heart.
 
To consider that two men or women wanting to get married civily for legal purposes and will not engage in homosexual activity is naive at best. Why not marry civil and not live together? In my opinion it would serve the same purpose without the possibility of scandal.
 
It is time the Church,instead of blindly opposing it, to have a relook in the matter of homosexuality and same sex marriagee in the context of more and more people coming forward to discuss about it and more and more countries legalising SSM. Intense love and attraction including desire to have sex (unnatural ) with persons of same sex appears to be a medical condition but unfortunately with out any treatment.It is not caused due to lack prayer or absence of proper religious practices.Countries taking out same sex from crime list,legalising SSM etc.does not mean that they encourage such practices and appears to have done so out of compassion and on humanitarian grounds to mitigate the hardship of the affected .
Will you at least listen to what some of those who struggled and suffered with SSA have to say about what the Catholic Church teaches?
youtube.com/watch?v=6rgDLWOFCRA
 
…Intense love and attraction including desire to have sex (unnatural ) with persons of same sex appears to be a medical condition but unfortunately with out any treatment…Countries…legalising SSM etc.does not mean that they encourage such practices and appears to have done so out of compassion and on humanitarian grounds to mitigate the hardship of the affected .
Altering the State’s position on marriage must inevitably be seen as an implicit statement by the State that what we understand marriage to be is as applicable to a same sex pair as it is to man+woman. Now that is not accepted by a large number of people (including by you I assume).

Advocates of SSM view SSM as a sign of “normalcy” of their sexual relationship. That is something more than mere acceptance; rather it elevates it to the level of equivalence - a level of endorsement not previously available.

Deeming 2 men eligible for marriage requires everyone in society to view 2 men (or 2 women) entering into a sexual relationship as a natural societal unit. And calling it marriage is to require us to view it as a normal means of family formation, identical to the man+woman union intrinsic to our nature. It requires us to acknowledge it to be just the same as man+woman, and failure to acknowledge it as such may be grounds to be prosecuted!

SSM advocates may not be happy to hear you explain the expansion of marriage to encompass same sex pairs as a “compassionate and humanitarian” act, though I believe that is exactly what underpins the support that many people express for SSM. But, no - the SSM advocates will tell you that it is nothing less than righting one of the great social injustices, akin to abolishing slavery and ending the prejudice against interracial marriage!
 
Altering the State’s position on marriage must inevitably be seen as an implicit statement by the State that what we understand marriage to be is as applicable to a same sex pair as it is to man+woman. Now that is not accepted by a large number of people (including by you I assume).

Advocates of SSM view SSM as a sign of “normalcy” of their sexual relationship. That is something more than mere acceptance; rather it elevates it to the level of equivalence - a level of endorsement not previously available.

Deeming 2 men eligible for marriage requires everyone in society to view 2 men (or 2 women) entering into a sexual relationship as a natural societal unit. And calling it marriage is to require us to view it as a normal means of family formation, identical to the man+woman union intrinsic to our nature. It requires us to acknowledge it to be just the same as man+woman, and failure to acknowledge it as such may be grounds to be prosecuted!

SSM advocates may not be happy to hear you explain the expansion of marriage to encompass same sex pairs as a “compassionate and humanitarian” act, though I believe that is exactly what underpins the support that many people express for SSM. But, no - the SSM advocates will tell you that it is nothing less than righting one of the great social injustices, akin to abolishing slavery and ending the prejudice against interracial marriage!
Heterosexual marriage these days is about love and kids are optional so why can’t gay people get married since they love each other? They can’t have kids, but heterosexual marriage these days has kids as an optional extra.
 
So I have a really good friend who is not straight, not Catholic, very liberal ect. Recently she began dating a girl. I know that as a Catholic I shouldn’t support homosexual unions, but as a friend, I have to celebrate when my friends get into relationships. I was excited and I congratulated her, and honestly, I’m so happy for her. I don’t agree with what she’s doing on a technical level, but she’s really happy, and I have a responsibility as a friend to be happy that she’s happy.

Anyways I’m thinking about confessing it but I don’t know. Is it really that big of a deal? It’s honestly just so great to see a friend being that happy and excited that it’s hard to not join in, you know? What should I do?
Thank you for posting your question.

Seeing as you have asked what you ought to do then it is only fair that I at least give you a truthful answer.

From what you have written it sounds like you are being taken for an idiot by your so-called friend. I speak from experience here and would only say to you that homosexual ‘couples’ are always anxious to act out in public. In other words, they are desperate for approval and are enamoured when they receive apparent acceptance of their behaviour. You might be thinking in the age we live that most homosexuals already receive public approval. But you have to remember the homosexual agenda has been forced upon ordinary people as a phenomenon they must accept. For to raise even an eyebrow at such a perversion can cost a person their career or at least get them branded ‘homophobic’. In other words, entertaining a homosexual couple in your own home would be more perfunctory rather than a sincere show of hospitality. Most people who pray deeply know that in their own mind alarm bells will ring the moment they try to justify entertaining two people who, all told, are notorious for dubious behaviour.

What I am trying to say is that it is impossible to overlook the conspicuous and, indeed, tragic act when a woman tries to assume the erotic role of man and vice versa. It is comedy at its best and, at worse, it is down right vile and offensive. Trying to regard it in any other light will just make you grow angry or afraid. You see there are lots of people who get furious once they hear talk that homosexuality is anything but a 'simple expression of love" . Their rage is an expression of their own frustration at having to toe the social line. In other words, when your job depends upon keeping quite or voicing approval of homosexuality, frustration is never too far away from the surface. On the topic of homosexuality one must, if they expect to get on in life , keep quiet or voice open support . In a word, they are obliged to shower homosexuals with approval until eventually it becomes just another bad habit.

As it happens, I have two homosexual friends . (They do not know each other incidentally)
I get along really great with both of them especially the one who talks like a girl. He is a brilliant laugh whenever we meet up. I can’t say if he has ever talked about the topic of "marriage’… if he ever does decide to get “married” I do not know. But the topic of buggery has been brought up in our conversations many times and I treat with the same levity as I would treat a conversation with a burglar.

All told, I can think of nothing worse than to live out a lifestyle in public… and then go sneaking into the confessional and tell the Priest it’s all wrong. Here I am talking about you and your apparent open accpetance of the ‘gay’ friend.
 
Heterosexual marriage these days is about love and kids are optional so why can’t gay people get married since they love each other? They can’t have kids, but heterosexual marriage these days has kids as an optional extra.
Heterosexual marriage (if such qualification is required) conforms with the nature of man, and it does so whether or not the couple are motivated entirely by a desire to produce children.
 
Our Holy Father, Pope Francis said, who is he to judge. I am with him, so I would suggest you DO enjoy your friend’s happiness. Never encourage anyone to sin. And remember people ARE born homosexual. They are never born murderers or rapists or anything else that some of our less charitable brothers and sisters would suggest is equivalent to be homosexual.
If you have to judge others, which is never a good thing, do so with love and mercy.:
 
Our Holy Father, Pope Francis said, who is he to judge. I am with him, so I would suggest you DO enjoy your friend’s happiness. Never encourage anyone to sin. And remember people ARE born homosexual. They are never born murderers or rapists or anything else that some of our less charitable brothers and sisters would suggest is equivalent to be homosexual.
If you have to judge others, which is never a good thing, do so with love and mercy.:
The Pope declared he would not (adversely) judge a person who seeks God, merely because that person experiences SSA. The church distinguishes between SSA and homosexual acts. The former does not compromise the integrity of, or the respect due, to any man. The latter do not and will not find approval in the Church.

As to the cause of SSA, this remains unknown.
 
And remember people ARE born homosexual.
Hello Colin

The idea you have hatched in your mind is laughable.

I will show why only because a person who is searching for answers could take it as Gospel.

The way to prove your theory is false, Colin, is to test it. This method is called verification. It would be expressed by the phrase:-

“Been there, seen it, done it, worn the tee shirt.”

Your theory is, Colin, that a homosexual is born homosexual. This idea of yours’ is not an original thought, incidentally. It is a silly idea that is is passed on from one person to the next without scrutinising its veracity. It could be then, Colin, that you want to become a hero…a champion who hoists a flag of compassion for homosexuals. A male suffragette wearing a rainbow sash sitting in a chair reading his Catechism ? Either way it is irony that you are spreading false ideas that hurt homosexuals. For all people would feel cheated and left out, the moment you deny them truth.

It would have been much better for you if you would have kept quiet. But since you have attempted to dress up ignorance as widsdom by quoting Our Popes injunction "do not judge others’, I feel that I have a duty to write. For, at first glance, your attempt to pass off garbage as gold by wrapping it in the words of a Pope works. But then if you had quoted Francis in full, instead of misrepresenting him, you would have seen that it is wise to discriminate, just like Francis tells us. In other words, if we did not discriminate between right and wrong then there would be no such thing as knowledge. Judgements are the preserve of thinking and acting. Without making them we would all be no better than the animals. Thank God we have The Church to help make thinking easier for us too.

Now **no **homosexual is determined by birth to be homosexual. And to stay faithful to the principle of verification you need only look at men and women who are now joined in Holy Matrimony after years of being buggered and lesbianised. You will find scores, nay thousands, of once homosexual people who would verify this testimony of mine.

But you Colin have so sluggishly decided to throw yourself on the liberal bandwagon by suggesting homosexuality is congenital.

I liked it when you said:-

" And remember people are born homosexual" …almost as if you were shouting it from the Houses of Parliament.

Now Colin, you might want to do some shouting again. So why not arm yourself with some cast-iron truth ? It might cost you a little soul-searching, as they say. But even you would probably agree it is better to speak the truth than spread lies. Young and not so young people who are already confused with it all need answers… and they need them badly.

So why not begin by examining your own thoughts Colin ? For it is so careless of you to presume that anybody who raises a critical word on homosexuality is doing so out of uncharitableness.

Let me remind you of what Socrates tells us how: “The unexamined life is not worth living”. And how all of us must 'take the beam out of our own eye" before removing the speck from anothers.

Right now I am examining my own mind Colin. I can see in my mind images of me sodomising and kissing another man. At this very moment I am summoning my will to think about kissing Pope Francis and touching his groin. Revolting ? I agree. But remember, I am born that way, that is, with the power to think.

I will say that I have never followed up these exercises by action…but there for the Grace of God go I. Even so, some people have…and so why compel them into depravity any more by insisitng they are born that way ?

Take a look at the web site Colin and let *verification * show you that homosexuals are not, as you say, destined to live in depravity. These people have: “Been there, seen it, done it and worn the tee shirt”. And, in my opinion, they are saints.

ex-gaytruth.com

To be held bound in the chains of homosexuality is not nice. And to confirm a person in such slavery is uncharitableness …a sluggish, lazy, selfishnes, you so cheaply tried to point the finger at me . God forgive Colin. I do incidentally.

Read the web site.
 
Our Holy Father, Pope Francis said, who is he to judge. I am with him, so I would suggest you DO enjoy your friend’s happiness. Never encourage anyone to sin. And remember people ARE born homosexual. They are never born murderers or rapists or anything else that some of our less charitable brothers and sisters would suggest is equivalent to be homosexual.
If you have to judge others, which is never a good thing, do so with love and mercy.:
 
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I don’t believe people are born homosexual. God does not make mistakes.
 
Hi,
I am just going to say something, from my understanding.

What is the first commandment? Isn’t it Love God above everything. Would this implies above your desires too.

A priest named Jorge Loring said something interesting that others have included in this thread. To be oriented to homosexuality is not why you sin, it is the way you act from it. Everyone has his cross. This priests states that if they take their cross they can even get to be saints. The acts you do are the one that decides the way you choose.

Now, its important that we understand why homosexuality is not the correct way. In simple terms, in my understanding, in homosexuality first of all it is because they will base their bodily love on pleasure. In heterosexuals even if some do the same (which is wrong as marriage has its ends, which the main one is procreation although the others always need to be there, but all should come from true love), the outcome is a new life. See the difference.

And the problem in homosexuality is that they will want children, but they can’t have children, because if a new life comes, both a man and a woman need each other. If it wouldn’t be that way one can say, one doesn’t matter. Even if this doesn’t matter is not said, it is acted, because in homosexuality one, a woman or a man is not taken in consideration.

Now we go back to the first commandment. This commandment is the most important one, because it is the one that makes you act toward God and not toward our desires and wants.

We say that people are good, but in reality who is good in catholic thinking? The ones that are truly good are the ones that act Gods ways. The ones that are closer to this are saints, then we need to follow saints.

One thing we need to believe, is that God really wants the best for us, and if you are catholic, you believe that the Pope and the church guides us to God. Then believe that our desires and wants should not always be followed because they can make us go our way and not Gods way.

Keep hope and faith in God because He is love. Where love is not what we think it is, but it is what it is. As God is love. Therefore follow God.
 
The Pope declared he would not (adversely) judge a person who seeks God, merely because that person experiences SSA. The church distinguishes between SSA and homosexual acts. The former does not compromise the integrity of, or the respect due, to any man. The latter do not and will not find approval in the Church.

As to the cause of SSA, this remains unknown.
 
I wish I could be as certain about anything as you appear to be. There are no certainties my friend only faith! My love of the one loving and merciful God sustains me in my faith and helps my uncertainties. As to your question, my comments did not commend homosexuality, and they certainly did not condemn it. I am in no position to do so.
 
…As to your question, my comments did not commend homosexuality, and they certainly did not condemn it. I am in no position to do so.
I asked no question at all - so I don’t know to what you refer.

Further, I did not suggest that you commended or condemned homosexuality, and I do neither myself. I stated that the Church does not and will not approve of homosexual acts. I am confident of that belief since we read in the Catechism:

2357… Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
 
I hear a lot of people arguing back and forth about whether homosexuals are “born that way” or not. I am a homosexual, and as early as I can remember in my life, I have always been exclusively attracted to men, and I have never ever been attracted to women. Now, whether my homosexuality happened at conception, or when I was 3 months old in mother’s womb, or when I was 6 or 9 months old in my mother’s womb, or at the moment I was born, or when I was 1 year old, or when I was 2 years old, or when I was 3 or 4 or 5 years old, it is all irrelevant to me, and it makes no difference in how I feel, and it makes no difference in how I am struggling with my homosexuality on a daily basis. So please let’s drop the point of whether we are “born that way” or not, because I did not choose my homosexuality in any way, shape or form, and there is no treatment for it. So I have to live with who I am, and I have no choice. If I had a choice, please trust me, I would never ever choose to be homosexual. Homosexual life is a misery, even though some people may call us “gay”.

I think God’s attitude towards homosexuality is arbitrary, considering that I had absolutely no choice in the matter; but I do have to accept what God says, because at the end of the day, that is God speaking, and I have no right to object.

I can hear the objections of people about homosexual lifestyle only when their objections are within the context that it is God’s word; but nobody has the right to stick his/her nose in the bedroom of any couple and try to analyze their sexual life whether that couple is homosexual or heterosexual. Just keep people’s private life private, if you want to keep your private life private…

Now, addressing homosexual lifestyle, I am one to say that homosexual acts are sinful, just because it is unacceptable to God, and it is unacceptable to the Church; but the subject of homosexuality does have to be addressed, simply because homosexuals are people just like all other people, even though some people prefer to treat us otherwise.

Ideally speaking, homosexuals are supposed to live a chaste life. What does chaste life really, really mean? It really means that homosexuals are not supposed to have sex whatsoever, not even once, from the time they are born till the time they die. Yes, this is what is expected of us. I have a couple of questions: Do heterosexual people ever expect that from themselves? Is it conceivable to them? Can they imagine themselves (both men and women) from the time they are born till the time they die not to ever have sex, not even once? I don’t know really about heterosexuals, and that’s why I am asking, but I do know that this is a lot easier said than done, especially for men. We do also have to keep in mind that life does not revolve purely around sex. We homosexuals do happen to have human feelings just like heterosexuals, and we do fall in love, and we do enjoy companionship in our life, etc… If these are real expectations, then let’s go ahead with it, and let’s impose these expectations on homosexuals; however, if there is something inside of you that is bothering you and telling you that these expectations are somehow too high, and it is quite possible for any disciplined man or woman to make mistakes in life, then you need to revise your expectations. So what do we do with these people who make mistakes? These questions have to be answered, if we have to address the subject properly.
 
I doubt whether you(gntlmnr) are really a homosexual. Your arguments are self contradictory and hollow.The answer to your issues lies in your statements themselves.On the one hand you say that your life is miserable and given a choice you want to be only a heterosexual ,but on the other you say that nobody should peep into the bed room to look into the sexual acts.Who peeped into your bed room? Life became miserable due to what? If you are attracted towards same sex as normal people to opposite sex ,and enjoy sex in your bed room what is your problem? Why you want to be a heterosexual ? Why a hetro sexual does not want to be a homosexual ? Come on ,you know what is wrong and what is right ! Come out from your own created miseries!

Also your attempt to convince that you would have become homosexual from the beginning fails miserably. No body can become homosexual before becoming aware of the sexual pleasures !Your teen age life is the main culprit.
 
I doubt whether you(gntlmnr) are really a homosexual. Your arguments are self contradictory and hollow.The answer to your issues lies in your statements themselves.On the one hand you say that your life is miserable and given a choice you want to be only a heterosexual ,but on the other you say that nobody should peep into the bed room to look into the sexual acts.Who peeped into your bed room? Life became miserable due to what? If you are attracted towards same sex as normal people to opposite sex ,and enjoy sex in your bed room what is your problem? Why you want to be a heterosexual ? Why a hetro sexual does not want to be a homosexual ? Come on ,you know what is wrong and what is right ! Come out from your own created miseries!

Also your attempt to convince that you would have become homosexual from the beginning fails miserably. No body can become homosexual before becoming aware of the sexual pleasures !Your teen age life is the main culprit.
You are being quite judgmental. That’s all I have to say, because you don’t seem like a reasonable person. So there is no point in using reason with an unreasonable person.
 
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