Coulter calls Tiller homicide "termination"

[Revert_TSIEG]

It would seem to me (and apparently others in the forum) that you DO support the continued legality of abortion ‘until such time as the general population mood swings in favor of outlawing it’. Such cowardice is against abortion lite and doesn’t do anything much either to promote the legality or illegality of abortion. You seem to be of the rather naive notion that people will do what is right regardless of the law. Unfortunately when people are in a difficult situation the positive legality of an action does have enormous influence in assuaging a person’s conscience.

For evil to triumph, it is enough for good men to do nothing. But what of those who only intend to do good? They pave another road.

I am sorry that I am coming across the wrong way. Let me set this as straight as I can. I do not support abortion (I used to support abortion in the case of rape, incest but I no longer do). Support of a candidate who does not completely align with my beliefs does not constitute (to me) as support of all their views. If this were the case… why vote?

 

[SamH]

I just responded to another poster… please do not put words into my mouth. You are wrong, but I do believe that the 1/4 of my paycheck for health care is not good. Tax payer funding of abortion clinics is the same as state sponsored killings…

Yet you vote for those that will do just that.

I’m not putting words in your mouth; I’m interpreting the words you are posting.

 

[SamH]

. Support of a candidate who does not completely align with my beliefs does not constitute (to me) as support of all their views. If this were the case… why vote?

That thought process is similar to one held by the Germans that didn’t care for murdering millions of Jews but thought it was great that the Nazis made the trains run on time.

 

[Revert_TSIEG]

You don’t see the connection in voting for those that do support abortion?

Since citizens are not allowed to vote on abortion laws, our representives in the government represent our interests.

Pretty simple.

Who to vote for… who could win that completely favored pro-choice followers! The answer is none… Either way let’s start helping the situation as opposed to making it more heated.

 

[SamH]

… Either way let’s start helping the situation as opposed to making it more heated.

We could start by not voting for those that support abortion.

 

[Revert_TSIEG]

Kind of the like the Germans that didn’t care for murdering millions of Jews but thought it was great that the Nazis made the trains run on time.

Ok… What do you suggest I do… put my family out on the street if I get sick, lose my job, and have $100,000 in medical bills… remember I am a teacher! Where to draw the line. These companies are getting rich while I, a middle class person, am getting killed by medical expenses.

Like I said, to me… the lesser of two evils. Who did you vote for, why?

 

[Revert_TSIEG]

We could start by not voting for those that support abortion.

Have you ever been in the situation that you needed help, but you were not the right color, ethnicity, sex, or look (for that matter). It is not a good feeling when no one cares about you while you live in a roach infested apartment, while fighting for our country. We need to help all, not just the unborn. That is why I voted for Obama… I do not want to pad the wallets of the already super-rich.

 

[SamH]

Ok… What do you suggest I do… put my family out on the street if I get sick, lose my job, and have $100,000 in medical bills… remember I am a teacher! Where to draw the line. These companies are getting rich while I, a middle class person, am getting killed by medical expenses.

My wife is a teacher, was someone proposing that only teachers pay for medical expenses?

I’m sorry but what does that have to do with the topic?

Like I said, to me… the lesser of two evils. Who did you vote for, why?

As I stated there were more than two candidates.

 

[SamH]

Have you ever been in the situation that you needed help, but you were not the right color, ethnicity, sex, or look (for that matter). It is not a good feeling when no one cares about you while you live in a roach infested apartment, while fighting for our country. We need to help all, not just the unborn. That is why I voted for Obama… I do not want to pad the wallets of the already super-rich.

Yes.

Yes.

So your stated priority is money over life.

 

[cephas161619]

I am sorry that I am coming across the wrong way. Let me set this as straight as I can. I do not support abortion (I used to support abortion in the case of rape, incest but I no longer do). Support of a candidate who does not completely align with my beliefs does not constitute (to me) as support of all their views. If this were the case… why vote?

I appreciate your clarification.

Now about supporting candidates…

I’m sure (maybe throwing some hope in there - ) I want to hope I’m sure that we all recognize a gradation of the gravity of evils. If I’m cold and starving, and there’s a man who’s trying to kill his wife, I should hope the government concerns itself first with preventing the man from killing his wife.

Now it wouldn’t take much (hypothetically. say, if they dedicated themselves to the task) for the government to say that abortion is wrong in all circumstances by outlawing it. It is a bigger task to then provide support and community for those who had previously held abortion as a fall-back option (maybe not explicitly, but action often belies thought). But the situation at present is that clinics that try to help mothers and their unborn are often discriminated against and even pressured to close by those who see their business decline. (ok, pressured is an egregious understatement).

Is this completely different than the government dedicating more resources to protecting a woman from her husband? I think not.

Now, even if you will only admit two candidates, a minimum look at the voting records shows a lot of differences in their views on how legal abortion should be. BO thinks it a horrible tragedy, but one that should be readily available to all who want it (correct me if I mischaracterize). His opponent thought it should be illegal in all cases except a very certain few. If the government will not stop all murders, isn’t it better to focus on preventing more rather than fewer?

Have you ever been in the situation that you needed help, but you were not the right color, ethnicity, sex, or look (for that matter). It is not a good feeling when no one cares about you while you live in a roach infested apartment, while fighting for our country. We need to help all, not just the unborn. That is why I voted for Obama… I do not want to pad the wallets of the already super-rich.

I thought this was a good response to the usual rhetoric about the rich need more taxes: online.wsj.com/article/SB124597150183556945.html

 

[sauce]

Her humor sickens me. To joke about a person, or any person for that manner being killed is wrong… and personally I do not think her “humor” was for laughs…

OK, her humor sickens you. That’s your prerogative. She’s no Joy Behar thank God.

Ann has a quality called “wit.” If it weren’t valid, she would never be as
successful as she is. And her books are political. The woman is able to perceive
what’s going on. And she responds to the verbiage of the left in a way that
will underscore their lack of principles.

She’s a pundit. That’s what she does to great effect.

 

[Revert_TSIEG]

Yes.

Yes.

So your stated priority is money over life.

Life of my children over others… yes!

Money over life (I left a semi-lucrative job to teach for goodness sake!)… misinterpretation by you (once again putting words in my mouth). How about life for those who are sick but can be helped by a very small amount of medical attention… they have no chance with the current medical situation in the U.S.

In other words, you think, save the unborn and don’t worry about the poor. Just interpreting what you have written… not putting words in your mouth, just trying very hard to see your point. I honestly want to know what your solution is… I don’t think that not voting for someone who supports abortion accomplishes what you are trying to do. I can see that it does not further propagate it, but not abolish it.

Please give me some insight without being insulting wile sidestepping. Please tell me what you really feel, who you voted for, and why?

 

[Revert_TSIEG]

OK, her humor sickens you. That’s your prerogative. She’s no Joy Behar thank God.

Ann has a quality called “wit.” If it weren’t valid, she would never be as
successful as she is. And her books are political. The woman is able to perceive
what’s going on. And she responds to the verbiage of the left in a way that
will underscore their lack of principles.

She’s a pundit. That’s what she does to great effect.

Anything for money I guess. Why must people always put labels on someone like pundit and the left. I try not to label, but many on this forum tent to love labels. I don’t get it!

Also, you call it her wit, I call it her hate… I guess it’s all about your view of her!

 

[estesbob]

Have you ever been in the situation that you needed help, but you were not the right color, ethnicity, sex, or look (for that matter). It is not a good feeling when no one cares about you while you live in a roach infested apartment, while fighting for our country. We need to help all, not just the unborn. That is why I voted for Obama… I do not want to pad the wallets of the already super-rich.

What rights can be enjoyed by those who were denied the right to life?. All Rights are dependent on the right to life. The sad part is that 1/3 of abortions are on black children and about 60% are on white children. They never got a chance to be made to feel uncomfortable abouth their race , gender or ehtnicity. Of course i dont recall any canidate running on a platform of racism and forcing the military to live in roach infested apartments(although one of the canidates did serves in the military and endured far worse than roaches)-but given the choice between being dead and living with roaches Ill take roaches everytime.

BTW-when you were in Germany were you in the military?

 

[sauce]

Anything for money I guess. Why must people always put labels on someone like pundit and the left. I try not to label, but many on this forum tent to love labels. I don’t get it!

Also, you call it her wit, I call it her hate… I guess it’s all about your view of her!

Everyone takes a job to make money. Government does not create wealth. The private sector does. So, the person you voted in doesn’t make sense to me. He flies a guy
in from Chicago to make pizza. He spends over $200,000 bucks to come to NYC to see
a play for a “date.” Who just paid for that?
This guy needs a piece of chalk and a neck brace. Take away that teleprompter and he’s at a loss.

I don’t know what you mean by labels. She is known as a pundit. They make political
comments. And for a living.

Me, I have a low-paying job. But I’d rather have liberty than a handout.

 

[Revert_TSIEG]

Everyone takes a job to make money. Government does not create wealth. The private sector does. So, the person you voted in doesn’t make sense to me. He flies a guy
in from Chicago to make pizza. He spends over $200,000 bucks to come to NYC to see
a play for a “date.” Who just paid for that?
This guy needs a piece of chalk and a neck brace. Take away that teleprompter and he’s at a loss.

I don’t know what you mean by labels. She is known as a pundit. They make political
comments. And for a living.

Me, I have a low-paying job. But I’d rather have liberty than a handout.

… and that is the problem I have… the word and context of the use of handout.

Are you for affordable health care for all, or just saving the unborn? I wish we can have both, but since our political system is set up as such, it seems like we will never get both. Ohh well I have not gone to the Dr. many times because I have to pay for other more important things than my health (Children). Lucky for me I have not died, but in some pain. I guess I will only be happy when I am dead, because I will have no need for anything we are writing about here… We are so far off topic!

I will pray that an answer that is good for all involved will be found.

God Bless

Later

Revert TSIEG

 

[sauce]

… and that is the problem I have… the word and context of the use of handout.

Are you for affordable health care for all, or just saving the unborn? I wish we can have both, but since our political system is set up as such, it seems like we will never get both. Ohh well I have not gone to the Dr. many times because I have to pay for other more important things than my health (Children). Lucky for me I have not died, but in some pain. I guess I will only be happy when I am dead, because I will have no need for anything we are writing about here… We are so far off topic!

I will pray that an answer that is good for all involved will be found.

God Bless

Later

Revert TSIEG

Everything is connected. I often pay out of pocket for expensive dental care. It can’t be helped. So I just go with the flow and hope for the best.
Children come first. So this is an issue that seems to me to trump everything else.
The health care thing is a disaster. So maybe as Catholics we need to really trust the Eucharist.

Have a good weekend. And Peace to you and yours.

 

[Revert_TSIEG]

Everything is connected. I often pay out of pocket for expensive dental care. It can’t be helped. So I just go with the flow and hope for the best.
Children come first. So this is an issue that seems to me to trump everything else.
The health care thing is a disaster. So maybe as Catholics we need to really trust the Eucharist.

Have a good weekend. And Peace to you and yours.

Rock on… you are right, I am right… we are both right for once

You have a good one too!

 

[sauce]

Ain’t life grand?

Thanks!

 

[SamH]

Anything for money I guess.

Says the person that thinks they’re voting for their personal comfort over lives of millions.