Counter gender ideology, encourage confessions, Pope urges bishops [CC]

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Pope Francis warned against the influence of gender ideology in a June 8 message to visiting bishops from Puerto Rico.The Pope told the bishops, who were making their ad limina visits, …

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Anyone have the full raw text of the Pope’s message? Maybe in another website language?
 
Does anybody know what he means when he talks about gender ideology? Has he defined it anywhere?

The reason I ask is because I notice some confusion about what is meant. I always thought it meant that gender isn’t binary, that it’s a spectrum. This seems to be a position that’s held by the more radical end of the gay rights movement, particularly radical feminism. The confusion for me comes in when people link it with same sex marriage and transexualism (or whatever you’d call it). Gay people (men at least) don’t deny they are male both physically and mentally, no gender confusion there. Transexuals see gender as unchanging, they just feel the physical doesn’t match the psychological. Again, that isn’t what I understand as gender ideology.)

I suspect I’m confusing terms. For the record, I do believe that are only 2 genders and they are unchanging.
 
Baesd on what I’ve been able to deduce, I think that it is more along the lines of ladies who don’t fit Pope Francis’ narrow view of women as mommies of ten or submissive housewives and special docile princesses under the headship of men. It seems when he uses “gender theory” it is in talks about women and focused on women who don’t have enough children for his liking or women who don’t have the requisite mommy pixie dust. Since he always suggests that he “supports” gender equality with it, I think that Pope Francis is mainly focused on us uppity feminists who don’t fit his weird and narrow definition of what it means to be a woman. He really, really wants women to get back into the kitchen and out of the workforce, but he also doesn’t want to accept the consequences of being labeled a sexist for holding such beliefs in the 21st century.

Yes, that isn’t what it means in academia but it seems that this is what it is in Vaticanese. Some very conservative Catholic sites, especially ones connected with the SSPX, suggest that women are “cross dressing” by wearing pants.
 
Perhaps is is best of someone such as yourself to educate the pope on how to be Catholic?
 
SpeakInSilence said:
Perhaps is is best of someone such as yourself to educate the pope on how to be Catholic?
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Were you talking to me?
I didn’t know that Catholicism and sexism were one in the same. I think that the Pope is an old man who comes from a macho culture that devalues women and who has had very little contact with women outside his family as an adult as equals. It isn’t like the man has many female co-workers. It isn’t shocking that he is a sexist.

Or do you think the man’s sexism is a good thing? Do you want women to be out of the workforce and in the kitchen submissive to men? I personally think that many conservative Catholics fixate an a goofy theory that most people haven’t heard of because they understand that it is code word for denouncing uppity feminists and female education and careers.
 
sttcatherinefan said:
Were you talking to me?
I didn’t know that Catholicism and sexism were one in the same. I think that the Pope is an old man who comes from a macho culture that devalues women and who has had very little contact with women outside his family as an adult as equals. It isn’t like the man has many female co-workers. It isn’t shocking that he is a sexist.

Or do you think the man’s sexism is a good thing? Do you want women to be out of the workforce and in the kitchen submissive to men? I personally think that many conservative Catholics fixate an a goofy theory that most people haven’t heard of because they understand that it is code word for denouncing uppity feminists and female education and careers.
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This Pope has said women have a right to be in the workforce, don’t need to reproduce like “rabbits” in the face of serious situations, and has spoken marvelously of women (as I’m sure the women on this forum can affirm) etc… This post is a giant straw man. Where are his quotes suggesting women get out of the workforce and get in the kitchen? They don’t exist. This Pope is one of your greatest allies. And your comments critical of the Pope being an “old man” who comes from “macho culture” and that the “[Pope]” is a sexist" are themselves misandric and your comment fits the stereotype of the feminism founded on disdain for males–that paradoxical sentiment which regularly bashes men and supposed “male” culture while striving to do everything males do! If you think the Church is that “sexist,” why would you remain in it?
 
MarcoPolo said:
This Pope has said women have a right to be in the workforce, don’t need to reproduce like “rabbits” in the face of serious situations, and has spoken marvelously of women (as I’m sure the women on this forum can affirm) etc… This post is a giant straw man. Your comments critical of the Pope being an “old man” who comes from “macho culture” and that the “[Pope]” is a sexist" are themselves misandric and your comment fits the stereotype of the feminism founded on disdain for males. If you think the Church is that “sexist,” why would you remain in it?
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I am glad you clarified some. I did not know where to start from…
I had to read the posts twice,thinking I had misunderstood who sttatherinefan was speaking about.
 
We cannot forget the irreplaceable role of women in the family. The qualities of gentleness, of particular sensitivity and tenderness, which is abundant in the female soul, represent not only a genuine force for the life of families, for the irradiation of a climate of peace and harmony, but also a reality without which the human vocation would be unfeasible.
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These aren’t the “words” of a pope who believes that women should be in the workforce or that they can be anything better than special tender princesses and mommies. Really, do you want a Wall Street CEO or President who is especially submissive and tender. Do you think that a fluffy girly woman is going to be able to order action against ISIS? It seems to me that this is code for suggesting that women want to get back into the kitchen. I’ve heard many sexist types suggest that they are doing women a favor by advocating strict gender roles because they in their heart of hearts really want to care for kids and clean house.

And no I don’t think that the Pope is an “ally” to women, especially women like myself. He hasn’t repudiated the whole idea of complementarity, which has been used in the past to keep women barefoot and in the kitchen. There are no set roles for men and women in society; there are only gifts given individuals. Pope Francis and others who subscribe to this notion really do a disservice to the millions of men and women who fall outside the narrow appropriate gender roles that they ascribe to both genders. I’m a woman, but one with an advanced degree who doesn’t particularly like children. There are millions of athletes, CEOs, politicians, scientists, policemen, etc. I know men who work in caring professions, with refugees for instance, who are very nurturing. I certainly hope that priests have good people skills.

So yes I think that the Pope when he speaks of gender theory he is speaking about more than some goofy academic theory that even Caitlyn Jenner probably repudiates. I think that it is a much wider swath that includes trans-people at the extreme but also uppity professional women like myself and stay-at-home daddies.
 
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