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JustaServant
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The answer they gave you was from the Bible.Whatever you throw at me, I will give you an answer from the Bible.
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saved75
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James WAS NOT talking about works for salvation.James 2:24 - “See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.”
It seems your personal interpretation of the Bible doesn’t agree with what the Bible actually says.
If he was, that means to be saved, We have to feed and clothe people, Protect people and killing your children [Or at least be willig to],
James was talking about works after we get saved, Not to save us.
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JustaServant
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Off topic. Start another thread on this topic.James was talking about works after we get saved, Not to save us.
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JustaServant
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Okay, let me ask it this way.From God and the Bible, Where else do you think it came from??
1 Cor 12: 28. Eph 4: 11. 2 Cor 1: 21.
IF your “Full Gospel Fellowship” derives it’s authority from God and the Bible, why are there 30,000 denominations all claiming the same authority?
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saved75
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The knowledge, Power and authority was passed down throughout the Church age, As everyone learnt about the rights of every believer.That’s subjective.
Let’s take this slow.
As in, historical origins of…
The physical organization
physical authority, here on Planet Earth.
As in, something they physically point to.
Authority that they possess passed on to others.
All a Christian needs to do to get authority, Is to believe the Bible.
Mk 16: 17–18. Jn 14: 12-13. Eph 1: 18–23. Eph 2: 1–6. Eph 3: 20–21.
Or don’t you believe the Bible, But believe the catholics instead??
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saved75
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The devil quoted scriptures, What does that tell you.If Catholics refer to Scripture as “sacred”, what does that tell you?
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saved75
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You mean Mis-quoted the Bible.The answer they gave you was from the Bible.
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saved75
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There is only ONE Church, Most of those 30.000 aren’t Christians, And some of them who are, Don’t know they have authority.Okay, let me ask it this way.
IF your “Full Gospel Fellowship” derives it’s authority from God and the Bible, why are there 30,000 denominations all claiming the same authority?
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JustaServant
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OOOooooooh I SEE.There is only ONE Church, Most of those 30.000 aren’t Christians, And some of them who are, Don’t know they have authority.
So ONLY YOUR group are Christians and have authority.
Silly me.
What praytell gives you the impression those other Protestant groups are not Christian, have no authority, and you do?
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JustaServant
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What did people do before their was a Bible and most of them could not read?The knowledge, Power and authority was passed down throughout the Church age, As everyone learnt about the rights of every believer.
All a Christian needs to do to get authority, Is to believe the Bible.
Mk 16: 17–18. Jn 14: 12-13. Eph 1: 18–23. Eph 2: 1–6. Eph 3: 20–21.
Or don’t you believe the Bible, But believe the catholics instead??
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JustaServant
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So we’re all devils here?The devil quoted scriptures, What does that tell you.
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JustaServant
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as are you.the devil quoted scriptures,.
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SoMissCatholic
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ar·ro·ganceThere is only ONE Church, Most of those 30.000 aren’t Christians, And some of them who are, Don’t know they have authority.
noun \ˈer-ə-gən(t)s, ˈa-rə-
: an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions
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JustaServant
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Let me put it another way.There is only ONE Church, Most of those 30.000 aren’t Christians, And some of them who are, Don’t know they have authority.
Why should I believe YOU have authority from the Holy Spirit and the Lutherans and the Episcopals don’t?
Are you saying the Holy Spirit is the author of confusion?
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adrift
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I really wish those who use the until argument would get a dictionary.
Until only means a period of time up to a point. When the until argument is use to show that Mary and Joseph had relations after Jesus was born, they get into all sorts of problems that have already been demonstrated. Those problems disappear when the definition is used. However, try to get the person to define the word using a dictionary you will have no luck because it will not support their preconceived ideas.
saved75 you are so ignorant about the Catholic Faith that it breaks the commandment of don’t bear false witness. You double the sin because you do not want to know the truth. You prefer the lies. Your argument fails when you look at Abraham and Lot who were called brothers. They were uncle and nephew. The old charge of when the Catholic Church started goes against recorded history. Do yourself a favor and learn the truth and stop listening to the devil.
Until only means a period of time up to a point. When the until argument is use to show that Mary and Joseph had relations after Jesus was born, they get into all sorts of problems that have already been demonstrated. Those problems disappear when the definition is used. However, try to get the person to define the word using a dictionary you will have no luck because it will not support their preconceived ideas.
saved75 you are so ignorant about the Catholic Faith that it breaks the commandment of don’t bear false witness. You double the sin because you do not want to know the truth. You prefer the lies. Your argument fails when you look at Abraham and Lot who were called brothers. They were uncle and nephew. The old charge of when the Catholic Church started goes against recorded history. Do yourself a favor and learn the truth and stop listening to the devil.
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adrift
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Because Jesus said you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give to you** the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. **Let me put it another way.
Why should I believe YOU have authority from the Holy Spirit and the Lutherans and the Episcopals don’t?
Are you saying the Holy Spirit is the author of confusion?
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adrift
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Matthew 13:55 “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?”
Mark 6:2-3 - “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?”
Let’s begin with James. There are two men named James among the disciples. One, of course, is the brother of John and the son of Zebedee. This cannot be him then. So, this is the other James, called in Scripture James the less:
Mark 15:40: “There were also women looking on afar off: among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less, and of Joseph, and Salome.” (emphasis added)
So James is indeed the son of a woman named Mary. Not only that, but Joseph is his brother. That’s two of the four, right? Then, in Matthew, reciting the names of the twelve:
Matt 10:3: “…'James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddeus.” (emphasis added)
This too is talking of James the less, as the other James, son of Zebedee, is spoken of in the previous verse. It is NOT a trick or really that hard! Alphaeus is this James’ father, not Joseph, the husband of Mary, mother of the Lord.
Now go to John also speaking of those witnessing the Crucifixion:
John 19:25: “Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother (Mary) and His mothers sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.” (emphasis added)
Look up John 19:25 at blueletterbible.org/ and click the ‘C’ icon (for the Strong’s Concordance), then click the Strong’s number for the name Cleophas. It comes up “father of James the less, the husband of Mary the sister of the mother of Jesus.”
Did you get that? That Mary, who was the mother of James the less, and of Joseph, from Mark 15:40, is the wife of Cleophas, the father of James the less, and she is called the ‘sister’ of Our Lord’s mother - Mary!
So, two of the four ‘brothers’ have been identified as the children of parents other than Joseph and the Virgin Mary. Of the brothers named, that still leaves Jude and Simon. Next, Jude:
Acts 1:13 “…James, the son of Alphaeus , and Simon Zelo’tes, and Jude the brother of James…” (emphasis added)
There goes Jude out of the mix! Matter of fact, Jude says the same in his own epistle:
Jude 1:1 “Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and brother of James…” (emphasis added)
Lastly, Simon. Simon, called the Zealot, is identified as coming from Cana, not Nazareth as were Joseph, Mary and the Christ!
Luke 6:15 “and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon who was called the Zealot,” (emphasis added)
Mark 3:18 “Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Cananaean…” (emphasis added)
Matt 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene. (emphasis added)
Simon is a Cananean, while Jesus is a Nazarene!
We see that Simon the Zealot being from Cana, and a ‘brethren’ or ‘brother’ of the Christ. Let’s go to John’s Gospel, chapter 2. Mary and Our Lord are invited to a wedding there! So, close business associates, maybe, of Joseph from the carpentry trade, or more likely - family, or brethren, relatives, are having this wedding! Like, maybe the Holy Family had actual kinfolk in Cana, be they cousins, in-laws, nephews, aunts, uncles, all of which are routinely called ‘brethren’!
Remember what Mary said to the servants? She told them to ‘Do as He says.’
Think about that a second? What would give this humble woman from Nazareth any position to so speak to the servants of someone else in an entirely different town, at their wedding? The simplest and most easily understood answer would be – she is a family relation to those giving the wedding feast…
So Simon is from Cana, and a ‘brother’ of the Lord! He’s not a sibling though, but very likely related. And James, Joseph and Jude all have the same father and mother, and it is not Joseph and the Virgin Mary, but their mother is named Mary and called the sister of Jesus’ mother Mary. Even here ‘sister’ may not mean blood sibling, or we have two sisters with the same name in the same family.
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Sheadad
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Sheadad;10983795:
If that’s the case then why does James use the example of the demons that have faith? Surely they aren’t saved? Well… I shouldn’t be so hasty, it appears that I have my whole theology backwards.James WAS NOT talking about works for salvation.
If he was that means to be saved, We have to feed and clothe people, Protect people and killing your children [Or at least be willig to],
James was talking about works after we get saved, Not to save us.
Paul said we are saved by faith inthe grace of God, NOT BY WORKS, Yet the catholics say they are saved by faith,AND WORKS, So according to catholics, Paul lost his salvation, Because they sai, If anyone say we don’t have to work for salvation, They are anathema, unsaved…
Whatever you throw at me, I will give you an answer from the Bible.
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Prodigal_Son1
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You quote your interpretation of scriptures as do many other people, with different interpretations of your own.You can quote who you want and believe what you want, But I will believe and quote the Bible.
Catholics might read the Bible, But they believe the catholic chutch rather then the Bible.
for instance catholics believe they are saved by works, Yet the Bible
says we sre saved by grace NOT BY WORKS. EPH 3: 8-9.
Next, don’t come here telling Catholics what they believe, or how they practice their faith. Only Catholics can do that.
If you want to discuss another topic, start another thread, and you’ll see how scriptures will disagree with the single verses you want to quote.
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