Covering their sin

[allischalmers]

In other words, IF YOU SIN, you can be forgiven if you repent.

But with the Protestant perspective there is no such thing as sin, you dont believe in sins like murder even. To you, if you are a believer and you commit what appears to be murder is really nothing, if an unbeliever commits what appears to be murder they earn them self a spot in hell.

I really think that when someone writes something like this that they do not know what being a Christian is all about

 

[Catholic_Dude]

I really think that when someone writes something like this that they do not know what being a Christian is all about

Explain what I said that was wrong/false/etc.

The verse I originally pointed to says “no murder has eternal life in him”. Catholics interpret this to essentially mean you have lost salvation if you commit a grave sin like murder.

Now, lets hear from you, regarding what happens if a “true Christian” commits murder, here are the options I can think of:

• A true Christian would never commit murder, thus if someone does they were never Christian.
• A true Christian can commit murder, but their relationship with Jesus remains the same.
• A true Christian can commit murder, but they lose their salvation (and must repent before death).
  Which of these (if any) do you subscribe to, and what does the phrase “has eternal life in him” mean?

 

[allischalmers]

Explain what I said that was wrong/false/etc.

The verse I originally pointed to says “no murder has eternal life in him”. Catholics interpret this to essentially mean you have lost salvation if you commit a grave sin like murder.

Now, lets hear from you, regarding what happens if a “true Christian” commits murder, here are the options I can think of:

• A true Christian would never commit murder, thus if someone does they were never Christian.
• A true Christian can commit murder, but their relationship with Jesus remains the same.
• A true Christian can commit murder, but they lose their salvation (and must repent before death).
  Which of these (if any) do you subscribe to, and what does the phrase “has eternal life in him” mean?

The half of a verse you point to is 1 John 3: 15 If as you say Catholics interpert this verse as you say they do then they are wrong.
The verse says that if you hate your brother it is the same as being a murderer. and a murderer hath (or has) no eternal life abiding in him. ( In other words he have no eternal life in him before, during, or after doing the murder)

 

[txsoldier94]

The verse says that if you hate your brother it is the same as being a murderer. and a murderer hath (or has) no eternal life abiding in him. ( In other words he have no eternal life in him before, during, or after doing the murder)

So, if you have ever commited a murder, you have no chance at redemption?

Hypothetically, let’s take this situation.

A man, as a youth, accepted Jesus as his personal Lord and Saviour, and did the altar call. For 20 years he lives as a Christian. Goes to church, participates and leads Bible studies, and is asked to lead several sermons.

He is held up as an example of Christian living.

One would surmise that such a person was saved, neh?

If that man were to commit a murder, what happens to his salvation?

Mik

 

[txsoldier94]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Catholic Dude
Explain what I said that was wrong/false/etc.

The verse I originally pointed to says “no murder has eternal life in him”. Catholics interpret this to essentially mean you have lost salvation if you commit a grave sin like murder.

Now, lets hear from you, regarding what happens if a “true Christian” commits murder, here are the options I can think of:
A true Christian would never commit murder, thus if someone does they were never Christian.
A true Christian can commit murder, but their relationship with Jesus remains the same.
A true Christian can commit murder, but they lose their salvation (and must repent before death).
Which of these (if any) do you subscribe to, and what does the phrase “has eternal life in him” mean?

The half of a verse you point to is 1 John 3: 15 If as you say Catholics interpert this verse as you say they do then they are wrong.
The verse says that if you hate your brother it is the same as being a murderer. and a murderer hath (or has) no eternal life abiding in him. ( In other words he have no eternal life in him before, during, or after doing the murder)

Allischalmers,

Please answer the question that was asked above. We are all interested in hearing what you have to say.

Mik

 

[ibkc]

I want to let you in on a little secret. You see I an a really old guy that has leukemia, so I will probably make it to Heaven before you.
So when or if you make it there, look for me. I will be the saint carrying a sign that says HEY, CATHOLICS I TOLD YOU SO

and thats all I have to say !!!

Forgive me for coming in on this one a bit late, but - allischalmers, differences in perceptions of sin and salvation aside, don’t you think it’s better to leave this life with a bit of humility? You don’t have to admit that the Catholics are right to do this. Instead of being overjoyed that you’re right, can you not be sorrowful that many people may have lost their salvation? Also consider for a moment the chance that you may be the one in the wrong; do you really want to take the chance of leaving this world with a pretty blatantly expressed sin of presumption on your soul? Really, a tiny bit of humility hurts no one and helps all. I will remember you in my prayers.

 

[allischalmers]

Allischalmers,

Please answer the question that was asked above. We are all interested in hearing what you have to say.

Mik

I answered the question. A person that would intently murder another person is not a Christain. However there times when killing another person may be justifed.

 

[txsoldier94]

I answered the question. A person that would intently murder another person is not a Christain. However there times when killing another person may be justifed.

So, if someone that everyone (including that person) “knew” to be saved commits a murder, then everyone was wrong?

Killing can be justified, I agree. Murder is defined as killing without sufficient justification.

Mik

 

[Catholic_Dude]

I answered the question. A person that would intently murder another person is not a Christain. However there times when killing another person may be justifed.

So is murder an unforgivable sin or something, or is it just impossible for Christians to commit that type of sin?

 

[Righteousone]

I believe every sin is unforgivable except one…Blasphemy.

 

[Augustine_M]

Righteousone, you made a mistake it is supposed to be every sin is forgivable except blasphemy.
By all means you are right because it was said by Jesus himself

Be blessed

 

[Valke2]

It was also set forth in Exodus.