Creation to be major theme at WYD in Rio [CNAU]

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I just found out that

June 13, 2013. (Romereports.com) World Youth Day organizers are teaming up with the World Wildlife Fund [more about this org’n below]. Together, they have launched a video on why it’s important to protect animals and Mother Nature. The video titled, ‘We Are All Connected’ shows the strong bond between animals and humans.
(video is about 1 min.)

The video was released on June 5th, which marked World Environment Day. The goal is to highlight the indisputable connection between mankind and nature, precisely to instill a sense of responsibility among the youth. What better place to bring forth that message that in Brazil, which has one of the richest eco-systems in the world.

Rome Reports

Those who are participating should be aware that the WWF
supports the Kyoto accord and the global warming hypothesis on which it is based. The organization also emphasizes “sustainable growth,” a theory whose goals invariably come with a demand for population control, a euphemism for** abortion-on-demand**.
See more, including funders of WWF at Discover the Networks

IMO, this is a curious alliance. I wonder just who (organizers of WYD) thought this was a good idea?

I’m certainly not against preserving our earth and taking reasonable measures to protect the environment, but one of the threats to “mother earth” WWF sees is human overpopulation and promotes means to control it. Paul R. Ehrlich has been on the forefront of this and is the science czar in the Obama administration. Connecting the dots now?

I’m just saying, if you’re attending WYD, please be aware of (and wary of) the propaganda WWF will likely be passing out. Their presentations might seem innocuous enough, perhaps, but part of their agenda IS population control.

Peace,
Mimi
 
One post. All it took was one post for someone to try and turn this into an agenda thread.

Frankly, I have yet to see any credible evidence that the WWF supports any kind of “population control” or “abortion on demand”. A report from some biased think-tank does not count as credible evidence.

As I said in the other thread (which was closed/deleted), sustainable growth and development is not a euphemism, it’s an assessment principle used by most western countries in environmental impact assessments, taking into account environmental, social, and economic factors. It includes the Precautionary Principle.

If you have any credible evidence suggesting something about the WWF, then lets see it. Reposting something from a biased website does not count.
 
None of the above links work for me. I get a 404 error on each one??? :confused:
 
One post. All it took was one post for someone to try and turn this into an agenda thread.

Frankly, I have yet to see any credible evidence that the WWF supports any kind of “population control” or “abortion on demand”. A report from some biased think-tank does not count as credible evidence.

As I said in the other thread (which was closed/deleted), sustainable growth and development is not a euphemism, it’s an assessment principle used by most western countries in environmental impact assessments, taking into account environmental, social, and economic factors. It includes the Precautionary Principle.

If you have any credible evidence suggesting something about the WWF, then lets see it. Reposting something from a biased website does not count.
I agree with you.

Even the idea of overpopulation is not evil in an of itself. There is the Catholic solution of celibacy and the rhythm method (or “abstinence makes the heart grow fonder”). However, overpopulation could also be rephrased as “under-resourced” or “not enough food & necessities for all.” That’s the other side of the “overpopulation” coin, and that’s the real concern of the “overpopulation” people – that people have enough to survive; and I’d say they are more pro-life than the typical pro-lifers at least in that way (as long as abortion is not being promoted as a solution). I sometimes tell people it doesn’t make any logical sense to kill children in order to save the earth for the children; and it is totally illogical to be against abortion and at the same time in favor of killing people, including fetuses, thru environmental harms. Both sides need to come to grips with their inconsistences.

Right now there is not real “overpopulation” problem, as there are enough resources and food to go around, only they don’t go around nearly enough to ensure everyone’s survival. So the bad is on us selfish horders and wasters.

In the future with environmental harms greatly depleting food and resources necessary for human viability we might start witnessing a killer musical chairs over ever-diminishing food and potable water and other diminishing resources needed to sustain human life. Then it might become a matter of “overpopulation,” i.e., “under-resourced.”

What I find interesting is that the WYD has brought in WWF, which I think is a great step towards rapprochement between Catholicism and environmentalism, esp with Catholics (e.g., here at CAF) ranting and raving against environmentalism and how it is tantamount to paganism, pantheism, and nature worship (and at least 10 other evils)…to the effect that BXVI had to mentioned it as a downside to environmentalism in “If You Want Peace Protect Creation,” as if paganism and pantheism really is serious problem with environmentalism…which it is NOT, but mainly and hugely in the minds of anti-environmental Catholics. I’ll bet my bottom dollar that the vast majority of environmentalists do NOT believe that propituating nature deities will gain them anything (esp since most environmentalists I know are Christians). Of course, prayer to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob I am certain WILL help, as it has often helped me in my pursuits.

BXVI in that same message also spoke against the biocentric and ecocentric strands of environmentalism, promoting the anthropocentric strand.

I can see his point at a deeper level – biocentrism and ecocentrism could be followed by those who think humans are the scum of the earth, and the earth would be better off without them. However, most following these 2 strands are not human-haters, and I’d suggest most privilege humans over the rest of God’s creation.

I’ve listed the WWF as an example of biocentrism in my lectures, concerned as it is about the welfare of non-human species. The ASPCA is probably its forerunner – concerned about abuse of working animals in the 19th c. and now about pets. I can understand the impetus of those affiliated with these orgs – they are very sensitive people who would probably not tolerate abuse of other humans, but go further to include others in their circle of compassion (as St. Francis suggested). In fact when child abuse became an issue in the 19th c., and there was a terrible case of it (the McCormick child) – see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ellen_Wilson – they had to turn to the ASPCA for help, since there were no effective orgs to help abused children, and the ASPCA was most helpful. So caring about the treatment of animals in no way indicates a hatred for humans or even a lack of caring for them; rather it often indicates a greater sensitivity toward ALL of God’s creatures.

Now re “ecocentrism” v. “anthropocentrism” my idea is this: if people are truly concerned about people and environmental harms to them, then they will strive to understand how things in our ecosystem tend to be interrelated, and that we need to protect non-human aspects (like food crops and supporting conditions for crops) in order to protect and help people. In other words, while one could be ecocentric and against people, one cannot in my estimation be anthropocentric without being ecocentric. That goes for biocentric (tending to focus on individual species in isolation) as well; one cannot be biocentric, without being ecocentric.

So, it is truly good that we are opening our hearts to all of God’s creation (which is indicated by including the WWF), which just might help us to love our fellow humans more too. 🙂

Also the WWF has gone well beyond just animals, and has put out many reports that indicate environmental harms to people, as well.

We can think like this – we (humans and non) are all in the same boat…Noah’s ark. 🙂
 
curlycool89 If you have any credible evidence suggesting something about the WWF, then lets see it. Reposting something from a biased website does not count.
Okay, here ya go: (and I don’t particularly care if you agree with my analysis or not)

From
Paul Erlich to speak at World Wildlife Fund
Paul R. Ehrlich has been a pioneer in alerting the public to the problems of overpopulation, and in raising issues of population, resources, and the environment as matters of public policy. Co-founder with Peter H. Raven of the field of co-evolution, he has also pursued long-term studies of the structure, dynamics, and genetics of natural butterfly populations.
Of course, they are not going to openly say on the WWF website, “here is why we support eugenics, assisted suicide and abortion”! Obfuscating their real goals is a known tried-and-true tactic of the political Left.

Seeing as the WWF has close ties with the Erlichs, both of whom advocate for population control - see:
THE POPULATION EXPLOSION

and other articles on this site.
In THE POPULATION EXPLOSION, they do not define overpopulation specifically as population density.

Also, it is a matter of fact that the WWF was founded by Julian Huxley, a eugenicist. He was a Life Fellow of the Eugenics Society from 1925, its President 1959-62
He was also a founder of UNESCO. He wrote “UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy” (1946)
Huxley and Eugenics
After becoming the first director-general of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization in 1945, Huxley published “UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy.”
He argued that in particular that, in addition to educational reform, UNESCO’s key goals should be to promote population control and ‘the eugenic problem’ (Toye, 2010: 327).
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I would hope that most adult Catholics are aware of the push from the "duty to die" crowd which has been peddling its evil in other parts of the world and has gotten laws passed for "assisted suicide" in several states in the U.S. See
[ASSISTED SUICIDE LAWS STATE BY STATE](http://http://www.euthanasia.com/bystate.html) 

 More on Erlich:
[wikipedia: Paul R. Erlich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._Ehrlich)



> In 2006, Lara Knudsen[22] wrote that Ehrlich's views were accepted by many population control advocates in the United States and Europe during the 1960s and 1970s. She chose a brief passage from the final chapter of Population Bomb to show that Ehrlich had discussed an extreme solution to extreme cases of overpopulation: "compulsory birth regulation ... (through) the addition of temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple food. Doses of the antidote would be carefully rationed by the government to produce the desired family size."





As for criticism of the site, Discover the Networks, I have found it to be an invaluable source for helping combat the creeping leftism in my own parish community. 

Peace,
Mimi
 
Okay, here ya go: (and I don’t particularly care if you agree with my analysis or not)

From
Paul Erlich to speak at World Wildlife Fund

Of course, they are not going to openly say on the WWF website, “here is why we support eugenics, assisted suicide and abortion”! Obfuscating their real goals is a known tried-and-true tactic of the political Left.

Seeing as the WWF has close ties with the Erlichs, both of whom advocate for population control - see:
THE POPULATION EXPLOSION
Guilt by association again then?

The WWF (so far as I understand it) is more interested in the Wildlife part. Things like deforestation, wonton habitat destruction, poaching, and pollution (stewardship over creation does not give us the right to disregard it).

You haven’t shown any evidence that the WWF actually advocates for population control. If you can’t find evidence, then all you are doing is spreading FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt). It’s like in Canada when the Liberal Party talks about the Conservative’s “Hidden Agenda”.

All you’ve really said is “They’re loosely associated with a guy who advocates population control, while themselves not advocating population control at all”.

Do you also not like the Salvation Army’s charitable works because it’s associated with Protestants? How about Bill Gates campaign for malaria nets, is that also nefarious because it’s associated with him? Is the Red Cross suspect because in Arab countries they’re know as “Red Crescent”?

You really seem to be reaching for a reason to hate the WWF, but can’t really show a logical reason why besides guilt by association.
As for criticism of the site, Discover the Networks, I have found it to be an invaluable source for helping combat the creeping leftism in my own parish community.
Well, actually real life credibility comes from confirmation from multiple independent sources.

Although as I’ve observed over the years here, Americans do like their conspiracy theories (Macleans once had a nice article looking at the phenomenon)
 
Guilt by association again then?

The WWF (so far as I understand it) is more interested in the Wildlife part. Things like deforestation, wonton habitat destruction, poaching, and pollution (stewardship over creation does not give us the right to disregard it).
I think WWF is now including concern for human lives, as well, at least in the reports they publish.

It’s interesting, but the biocentrists in striving to save non-human species have come to understand they need to protect the environment, and that also helps to save human lives, as well.

And the anthropocentrists in striving to save humans have come to understand they need to protect the environment (as Pope Francis suggests), and that also helps to protect non-human species.

We are all in the same boat – Noah’s ark 🙂
 
I think WWF is now including concern for human lives, as well, at least in the reports they publish.

It’s interesting, but the biocentrists in striving to save non-human species have come to understand they need to protect the environment, and that also helps to save human lives, as well.

And the anthropocentrists in striving to save humans have come to understand they need to protect the environment (as Pope Francis suggests), and that also helps to protect non-human species.
I think that’s just an understanding that humans and animals and the environment do have a kind-of symbiotic link. We live in the environment for one, so it’s going to effect our livelihood and our standards of life.

Nobody will dispute that we need plants to survive (they produce O2, which we require for metabolic processes, the most important being the production of ATP). Animals require plants, and we eat animals, so it’s all needed.

I once heard someone actually say that game hunters make the best conservationists. It completely changed my opinion on game hunting because it made complete sense. Game hunters like to hunt certain species, and they would like to continue to do so (for fun, for sport, whatever). This means that if they wish to continue they must ensure the continuation of the species in the wild.
 
I think that’s just an understanding that humans and animals and the environment do have a kind-of symbiotic link. We live in the environment for one, so it’s going to effect our livelihood and our standards of life.

Nobody will dispute that we need plants to survive (they produce O2, which we require for metabolic processes, the most important being the production of ATP). Animals require plants, and we eat animals, so it’s all needed.

I once heard someone actually say that game hunters make the best conservationists. It completely changed my opinion on game hunting because it made complete sense. Game hunters like to hunt certain species, and they would like to continue to do so (for fun, for sport, whatever). This means that if they wish to continue they must ensure the continuation of the species in the wild.
That’s interesting bec my husband is a stamp collector and recently got me into it. I came across duck stamps. They are really beautiful, with a different species of ducks or game water birds each year, and I wanted to collect them.

Then came to realize that they are not postage stamps, but issued as yearly duck-hunting licenses (by the post office), and I felt really bad bec I thought it meant I would be supporting the killing of ducks. I’ve always liked ducks since I was a kid, and we used to feed them at a pond and watch them for hours.

Then I read more deeply – 97% of the proceeds from the $15 duck stamps go to protecting the wetlands.

So I was on, and started collecting duck stamps 🙂
 
Creation is about Adam and Eve. With the SSM heresy running wild people need to be reminded about Adam and Eve, what true natural marriage is all about. It’s very significant that Eve was actually created by God as Adam’s wife.
 
Do you also not like the Salvation Army’s charitable works because it’s associated with Protestants?
Well, this is getting off-topic, but no;
I no longer donate to the Salvation Army bc they allow exceptions for abortion. Some is apparently okay with them according to what is said at their International mission statement site:

Salvation Army International Social Justice Commission
Under 2.
The Salvation Army accepts the moment of fertilisation as the start of human life.
and
The Salvation Army believes that termination can occur only when
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Carrying the pregnancy further seriously threatens the life of the mother; or
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Reliable diagnostic procedures have identified a foetal abnormality considered incompatible with survival for more than a very brief post natal period.
In addition, rape and incest are brutal acts of dominance violating women physically and emotionally. This situation represents a special case for the consideration of termination as the violation may be compounded by the continuation of the pregnancy.
Back to WYD + WWF:

I think any Catholic organization that is going to attract the next generation should be very careful with whom they collaborate.

If the WWF is now on the other side and does not actively support population control (including abortifacient birth control & abortion as a matter of course), then I would like to see them come out & make some kind of statement. I stand by what I found at Discover the Networks.

If it does not bother others, so be it. It’s not my intention to change minds, just to share information. Jesus will be our Judge, ultimately.

Peace,
Mimi
 
Creation is about Adam and Eve. With the SSM heresy running wild people need to be reminded about Adam and Eve, what true natural marriage is all about. It’s very significant that Eve was actually created by God as Adam’s wife.
You are basically right – and that is part of what Pope Francis means by “protect creation.” He is against SSM, which is against “nature” as ordained by God. So is “protect creation” is a very very broad idea that includes protect the natural environment, “nature” as God ordained, and people (we are also His creatures), including the unborn, etc.

However, there are some issues, not directly related to SSM, but to sexual anomalies. Some people are born hermaphodites (somewhat between male and female) due to anomalies at the genetic or hormonal or other levels (either caused by nature or our human-generated pollution). We humans are putting toxins in the environment, which are causing all sorts of sexual anomalies, such as from the many hormone-disrupting toxic chemicals we are putting in the environment. They’ve found female birds nesting together and other sexual “deviations” out in nature from our pollution. We are also affecting people and their sexuality and reproductive issues as well, causing birth defects and miscarriages. And nearly all people around the world, even in very remote rainforests and arctic villages are found to have this human caused toxic burden, as our industrial toxins have traveled throughout the world.

So there really is no natural nature anymore – we’ve fouled it up badly.

I personally would hestitate to criticize a person (or animal) that has homosexual tendencies, unsure of whether or not we polluting humans have caused the deviance. I think it is unfair to cause someone some trouble, then blame them for the trouble.

Now that does not relate directly to SSM, but I’m sure that many of those “deviant-from-nature-as-God-ordained” people would also like to enjoy the practical (insurance, etc) or convivial/conjugal privileges of marriage…even tho platonic friendship is also always an option for them.

You can go ahead and beat them with a stick, but I find it distasteful, under the circumstances of them perhaps being the victims of our human sinfulness. I personally tread a bit lightly on this issue, tending to view our environmental harms to nature and other people to be somewhat more serious in nature – at least for me personally, since I am not homosexual and have been faithfully married heterosexually to the same man for 44 years. But I am a part of the environmental harm problem and need to continue to find ways to reduce my harm. So to me that’s my more important focus – my own sins.

I think we should not forget our own sins in the rush to attack others for their sins.
 
However, there are some issues, not directly related to SSM, but to sexual anomalies. Some people are born hermaphodites (somewhat between male and female) due to anomalies at the genetic or hormonal or other levels (either caused by nature or our human-generated pollution). We humans are putting toxins in the environment, which are causing all sorts of sexual anomalies, such as from the many hormone-disrupting toxic chemicals we are putting in the environment. They’ve found female birds nesting together and other sexual “deviations” out in nature from our pollution. We are also affecting people and their sexuality and reproductive issues as well, causing birth defects and miscarriages. And nearly all people around the world, even in very remote rainforests and arctic villages are found to have this human caused toxic burden, as our industrial toxins have traveled throughout the world.

So there really is no natural nature anymore – we’ve fouled it up badly.
I suspect that your claims are the cause of much debate between different scientific communities. And for every link you may post to bolster your position, I could undoubtedly find several others to refute it.
I personally would hestitate to criticize a person (or animal) that has homosexual tendencies, unsure of whether or not we polluting humans have caused the deviance. I think it is unfair to cause someone some trouble, then blame them for the trouble.
Now that does not relate directly to SSM, but I’m sure that many of those “deviant-from-nature-as-God-ordained” people would also like to enjoy the practical (insurance, etc) or convivial/conjugal privileges of marriage…even tho platonic friendship is also always an option for them.
You can go ahead and beat them with a stick, but I find it distasteful, under the circumstances of them perhaps being the victims of our human sinfulness. I personally tread a bit lightly on this issue, tending to view our environmental harms to nature and other people to be somewhat more serious in nature – at least for me personally, since I am not homosexual and have been faithfully married heterosexually to the same man for 44 years. But I am a part of the environmental harm problem and need to continue to find ways to reduce my harm. So to me that’s my more important focus – my own sins.
I think we should not forget our own sins in the rush to attack others for their sins.
I actually agree that sin is changing our world - perhaps in ways we are not fully aware. Man is both body and soul and we are saved from our deviant sinfulness solely by grace. I doubt that grace is in any diminished by “pollutants.”
 
Guilt by association again then?
I am well aware of how the guilt by association fallacy is defined, but would wonder how, if the same political goals, principals and agenda are shared, this could be termed an irrelevant association. Of the agencies listed above, I only checked a few to find:

David and Lucile Packard Foundation is a donor to The Guttmacher Institute (Center for Family Planning) along with Planned Parenthood, the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Population Affairs, UNAIDS, the GlaxoSmithKline Foundation, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

In 2010 and 2011, the Ford Foundation granted a total of $4.48 million to affiliates of the **International Planned Parenthood Federation **and in 2010 Cecile Richards, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, was elected to the foundation’s board of trustees.

Diane Edgerton Miller is the President and CEO of the Blue Moon fund. She was previously President and CEO of the W. Alton Jones Foundation, which was restructured in 2001 into three new entities. Diane has served on a variety of non-profit boards, including Planned Parenthood of Virginia.

According to Wikipedia Obama at one time was a board member of the Joyce Foundation.

You may accuse others of being conspiracy theorists, but it is very reasonable to question why World Youth Day is teaming up with WWF since it receives so much of its funding from bedfellows who all promote essentially the same key elements contra to the Catholic Church.
 
If the WWF is now on the other side and does not actively support population control (including abortifacient birth control & abortion as a matter of course), then I would like to see them come out & make some kind of statement. I stand by what I found at Discover the Networks.
Well now you’re just being unreasonable.

The way your logic is working is that you assume that all companies support population control unless it is otherwise proven. That’s a completely unfair and unreasonable assumption to make.

You’re basically asking them to disprove something based on an unsubstantiated rumour. Again, that’s getting close to slander.
You may accuse others of being conspiracy theorists, but it is very reasonable to question why World Youth Day is teaming up with WWF since it receives so much of its funding from bedfellows who all promote essentially the same key elements contra to the Catholic Church.
I think that now you’re trying to unfairly reduce.

It could be possible (and I think it’s more than possible) that these people who support things like population control are also inclined to support environmental causes. That doesn’t mean the 2 are linked, it just means that people who happen to like one also like the other one. They might have a link in that person’s mind, but that doesn’t mean they are linked in the real world.

I’ll take another charity as an example. Water.org is a charity that helps get clean water to places in Africa and Asia through actions like micro-loans to people. It was co-founded by Matt Damon (the actor), who is apparently an Obama supporter. Does that mean you can’t support this charity, even though the only thing it actually does is help people in 3rd World Countries get access to clean water?

That’s the problem with such logic. Charities (the good ones) are set up to do certain actions, not to advance political points of supporters.
 
That is pretty cool. I look forward to hearing Pope Francis’ comments while he is there. I wonder if that is when he will announce that Blessed John Paul II will be canonized? I think it will be simply because Blessed John Paul II is the one who started World Youth Day.
 
I actually agree that sin is changing our world - perhaps in ways we are not fully aware. Man is both body and soul and we are saved from our deviant sinfulness solely by grace. I doubt that grace is in any diminished by “pollutants.”
The material world is not the same as the spiritual world, so the idea that pollution could diminish grace is totally absurd – as if Hitler’s genocide could diminish grace.

However, when we pollute and harm and kill people then we fall into sin or at least wrongful behavior that would be displeasing to God.

And there is abundant grace (tho I always feel I need more and more) to help correct us of our sinfulness – so in effect grace can impact pollution, but not vice versa.

And there is forgiveness and redemption in the blood of Jesus. Alleluia, brothers!
 
Well now you’re just being unreasonable.

The way your logic is working is that you assume that all companies support population control unless it is otherwise proven. That’s a completely unfair and unreasonable assumption to make.

You’re basically asking them to disprove something based on an unsubstantiated rumour. Again, that’s getting close to slander.

I think that now you’re trying to unfairly reduce.

It could be possible (and I think it’s more than possible) that these people who support things like population control are also inclined to support environmental causes. That doesn’t mean the 2 are linked, it just means that people who happen to like one also like the other one. They might have a link in that person’s mind, but that doesn’t mean they are linked in the real world.

I’ll take another charity as an example. Water.org is a charity that helps get clean water to places in Africa and Asia through actions like micro-loans to people. It was co-founded by Matt Damon (the actor), who is apparently an Obama supporter. Does that mean you can’t support this charity, even though the only thing it actually does is help people in 3rd World Countries get access to clean water?

That’s the problem with such logic. Charities (the good ones) are set up to do certain actions, not to advance political points of supporters.
I think we might be dealing with “Catholic McCarthyism” here – see the thread on the topic: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=795898

It’s mainly about how Catholics have been derailing the US Bishops’ CCHD projects to help the poor, but I’ve suggested on the thread that there is an “anti-environmental Catholic McCarthyism” that is pursuing a path of reckless endangerment to health and life on earth by working vigorously to dissuade people from doing environmental things to help reduce such harms. They are making “environmentalist” and “environmentalism” into very dirty words, and Catholics without stiff backbones are backing away from enviornmentalism, from reducing their harms to people’s health and lives (and the general health of life on earth – God’s creation) well into the future.

There is another issue – it may make sense to selfish people to promote abortion for others so as to increase resources for one’s own children and progeny. However, it makes absolutely no sense to be against others having medical elective abortions and at the same time be okay with miscarriages, deaths, and harms to health from environmental harms. That is the big illogical stance of today. It’s like being against mass murder, but being okay with genocide.

Also, if people waited for others (like one’s spouse) to be 100% on board with each and every belief and value, even those totally irrelevant to a project, in order to engage in joint projects, then NOTHING in the world would get done. And I’m thinking that is their main strategy (wittingly or unwittingly), to close down all efforts to do good, maybe out of some fear that doing good for others might diminish one’s own slice of the pie.

I work with a lot of people at work – some homosexuals (or I suspect they may be), some pro-choice, many non-Catholic, some ??? We don’t even discuss these matters, bec they are irrelevant to our joint projects and we don’t have time for extended water cooler chit-chat. They know I’m Catholic and pro-life – I made that clear a couple of times – so they know where I stand. If by my good life and good deeds and spiritual peace and bliss at being with God, they come to admire me and want that for themselves, then perhaps at least some will eventually buy into the whole Catholic package. If I’m vicious and mean, that will only make them think, “Oh how evil and miserable those Catholics are due to Catholicism – glad I’m not one.”

The more people rail against WYD being associated (in a very minor & specific way – that does not involve promoting abortion or SSM) with WWF, the more people with pro-life/pro-environmental sensibilities are going to hate Catholicism and think there is something basically wrong with Catholic beliefs and values.
 
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