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StAnastasia
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Thank you, Ed. Looking forward to reading this.
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rossum
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It would take more than a “few” mutations. If a limb did regrow then I am sure scientists would examine the animal’s DNA to see if such had happened.
I recognise that; it is a common error.
Indeed, but modern fish and modern amphibians have been evolving for precisely the same length of time as modern mammals. We all go back to the same ancestors so we have all had the same time to evolve.
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tonyrey
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You stated:
This is the thin end of the atheist’s wedge…
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Hume
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inocente
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Serious question everyone, this has always confused me - do Catholics have to sign a document telling them what to believe?
Caravaca de la Cruz is a few hours away, interesting church on top of a hill with more religious artifact shops on the walk up to it than I remember seeing around the Vatican. Would I have to believe this miracle (with thanks to edwest) to be a Catholic? And all the others?
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inocente
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-]atheist’s/-] realist’s
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grannymh
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I do not know what Ed West implied about miracles like Caravaca de la Cruz, but I do know that most people overlook the important Catholic teachings which are connected with this website and Eucharistic miracles in general.
FYI, I have display posters of a number of these miracles and held a weekend exhibit at our parish a few years back. Before and during, I provided fact sheets with the ***correct *** Catholic teaching regarding these miracles which are in a special category of their very own. I have the catalog mentioned on the website but not all the miracles.
I am a cherry picker.
To answer your question --“Would I have to believe this miracle (with thanks to edwest) to be a Catholic? And all the others?” The answer is no. However, one needs to believe that the Savior of all people, Jesus Christ, is truly present under the appearances of bread and wine.
Blessings,
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John 3: 16 & 17
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grannymh
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Not exactly.
A document like the Nicene Creed is beneficial. I can picture a local ceremony where people sign it as an outward sign of belief – something like John Hancock’s signature
on the Declaration of Independence.
Practically speaking, one learns basic Catholic teachings and either accepts or declines without a signature.
The key issue is the Catholic Eucharist which is pivotal. When one falls in love with Jesus, the rest becomes understandable.
Blessings,
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*John, Chapter Six *
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tonyrey
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Justify your equation of realism with the rejection of miracles.-]atheist’s/-] realist’s
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inocente
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So I can safely ignore all the rules that various people want to impose on True Christians™. Good, Matt 11:30 hasn’t gone out of fashion then.
But since Baptists too hold with the Eucharist, although maybe some of the details differ, am I a closet Catholic? I mean I once passed by an open-air service in Cologne, and stopped and listened even though German is lost on me, joined a line, and a priest placed a wafer on my tongue and another guy offered a cup. They were wearing robes and to this day I don’t know whether they were Catholics or Lutherans, I was away from home and wanted communion, it’s all the same to me.
Yikes, I’m a relativist materialist deist Baptist Catholic Lutheran with a liking for Sikh prayers and “atheist” science. Help me! I’m melting!
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inocente
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It’s quite unusual for a Baptist to believe in miracles. 1 Cor 1:18-31 again, we don’t go looking for signs, it’s not part of our reality. Maybe realist was too strong a word, but atheist doesn’t fit the bill either. Modern medicine has cut the rate of deaths from cancer, and that’s a miracle for many, to do with knowledge, dedication and hard work rather than just sitting back hoping.
When Christ is our personal Savior, Hume’s logic flies out the window with the birdies, it’s just irrelevant to real life.
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grannymh
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Start with Matt 11:28 and I will agree with some obvious exceptions found in true Catholicism.
Maybe you are feeling the fire of the Holy Spirit in the times of the Apostles.But since Baptists too hold with the Eucharist, although maybe some of the details differ, am I a closet Catholic? I mean I once passed by an open-air service in Cologne, and stopped and listened even though German is lost on me, joined a line, and a priest placed a wafer on my tongue and another guy offered a cup. They were wearing robes and to this day I don’t know whether they were Catholics or Lutherans, I was away from home and wanted communion, it’s all the same to me.
Yikes, I’m a relativist materialist deist Baptist Catholic Lutheran with a liking for Sikh prayers and “atheist” science. Help me! I’m melting!
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grannymh
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My apology. But on the surface, this seems an unfair request. The miracles which Inocente and I were talking about are the Eucharistic miracles. They should not be confused with the Miracles of the Incarnation, Resurrection,and the Real Prensence. The Eucharistc miracles should not be confused with the miracles of healing after the Apostolic Age.
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grannymh
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When Christ is really our personal Savior, then we must dig deep into Matt 11: 28-30.
What is this yoke?
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inocente
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No I’m pretty sure it’s the fire of the El Tequito tortilla chips I’m snacking.Maybe you are feeling the fire of the Holy Spirit in the times of the Apostles.
We’re off to a concert for the Lorca earthquake victims tonight, so pray they raise lots of money, although as your elbow miraculously healed today you may be fresh out of favors.
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StAnastasia
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Great line! I’m sure you’ll end up in someone’s hell. With all the religions on earth that condemn nonbelievers, I imagine we’ll all end up in more than one hell.Yikes, I’m a relativist materialist deist Baptist Catholic Lutheran with a liking for Sikh prayers and “atheist” science. Help me! I’m melting!
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grannymh
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No I’m pretty sure it’s the fire of the El Tequito tortilla chips I’m snacking.
We’re off to a concert for the Lorca earthquake victims tonight, so pray they raise lots of money, although as your elbow miraculously healed today you may be fresh out of favors.
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StAnastasia
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Only if your faith is so weak that you have to depend on the regrowing of amputees limbs.
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grannymh
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Wow. I never knew that humans could create a bunch of hells and then these humans had the power to condemn other humans to more than one hell. Is that like going to Florida or Arizona for the summer?
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inocente
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It’s got something to do with eggiweggs.
No, hang on, trust. Jesus is Lord, the rest is a hill of beans.
I can’t read the words without singing the Messiah in my head, so here’s the version I like best (English Concert, Pinnock). Sing along but don’t try any air guitar stuff in case it undoes the miracle on your elbow.
#18 He Shall Feed His Flock - youtube.com/watch?v=YKYNDLYWds0
#19 His Yoke is Easy - youtube.com/watch?v=aiv8LdiSaiE
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