Credibility gap: Pope needs to answer questions [NCRep]

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NCR is fond of telling the Pope what he should do. It’s how they sell their paper/web space. I really put no stock in anything they say.

It never ceases to amaze me that people will question the authority of the Holy Father and yet take the word of yellow journalists as sacrosant. :confused:
 
FACT #5
Homosexual men are not allowed to become priests in the Catholic Church. In order for a homosexual to become a priest he must lie about his homosexuality just to get into seminary and remain “in the closet” indefinitely. If he is ever discovered to be gay, he would be fired and laicized (defrocked).
This is one of Benedict’s most immoral decisions. How can you bar a homosexual from being a priest when the church has said that homosexuality is something you are born with and if that individual remains celibate? Are we to say that someone is born too impure to serve the church? How is that different from the Mormons, who at one time prohibited black people from joining their church or serving as its leaders?
 
NCR is fond of telling the Pope what he should do. It’s how they sell their paper/web space. I really put no stock in anything they say.

It never ceases to amaze me that people will question the authority of the Holy Father and yet take the word of yellow journalists as sacrosant. :confused:
Hi,

We know some facts. The fact that this preditor did nothing to atone. The poor guy shouldn’t suffer, even though he caused much suffering.

What message is the Church sending? Gee, we’re awfully sorry, but don’t expect any atonement, or suffering by the clergy? Law was swept off to Rome not to face charges or punishment, and this non-priest was allowed a dignified end. Where is the dignity for his victims?

This is very upsetting to those of us who always supported the Church through this dark time—it is getting more and more difficult. Pedophiles and those who protected them must atone for what they have done. " I’m sorry" just isn’t enough.

Lux
 
I’ve read the article a few times. Where does it say the police were overwhelmingly Catholic? It doesn’t. Please let us stick to facts. Anyway, regardless of what religion the police were, it was they who did nothing.

As for the rest of the post I think Lemonbeam has more than adequately explained the timeline.
I think that the time line–the gap between when Archbishop Weakland first wrote Cardinal Ratzinger in 1996 and the closure of the case By Cardinal Ratzinger in 1998 is very well explained in the Fox News link:

foxnews.com/world/2010/03/25/warned-priest-vatican-failed-remove/

It is very regrettable that the Cardinal did not choose to act on the abuser much earlier. It is also regrettable that the previous archbishops in Milwaukee, Meyer and Cousins, also did not act. Cousins interviewed Fr. Murphy in 1974, and was persuaded of his guilt, but did nothing until Weakland finally acted in 1996, 22 years later.
 
Lemonbeam sets forth a good, standard, defense based on facts. But the defense falls short in that it overlooks the magnitude of the number of misdeeds of abusers and those who aided and abetted them. More disclosures are coming out daily, millions of dollars, perhaps billions, have already been paid to victims. “Circling the wagons” or “hunkering down” may work this time but such a course seems risky. Full disclosure followed by a thorough “cleansing of the temple” would be better. The guilty could be expelled and the virtuous retained.
TWO BILLION dollars have been spent on payouts to sex abusers in the US alone.

Unfortunately, most of the cases are old. This is good, in that at least there appear to be fewer active cases now. It is bad, in view of the fact that the victims had to lead out their lives with memories of abuse which was not recognized, treated or recompensed in any way. Many of them now are dead.
 
NCR is fond of telling the Pope what he should do. It’s how they sell their paper/web space. I really put no stock in anything they say.

It never ceases to amaze me that people will question the authority of the Holy Father and yet take the word of yellow journalists as sacrosanct. :confused:
There is a heavy paper trail following the Milwaukee scandal and probably one developing for the Munich scandal, although it’ll be in German.

There are articles from the New York Times, Fox News (opposite sides of the spectrum, those), LA Times–they are all ‘anti’-Catholic" supposedly. Are they? Is everybody out of step but Johnny? The NYT and the LAT have both won many Pulitzer prizes for their reporting.

The documents in the Milwaukee case:
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 [documents.nytimes.com/reverend-lawrence-c-murphy-abuse-case#document/p29](http://documents.nytimes.com/reverend-lawrence-c-murphy-abuse-case#document/p29)
The NYT reporting:
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[nytimes.com/2010/03/25/world/europe/25vatican.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/world/europe/25vatican.html)

[nytimes.com/2010/03/27/us/27wisconsin.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/27/us/27wisconsin.html)
 
Lemonbeam’s defense of the Archbishop/Cardinal ignores the time line outlined in the
Fox News article and the documents.

I don’t think that Benedict ever was complicit in any cover-ups. But I believe that he was guilty of dereliction of duty. He, both as Archbishop and Cardinal, was ultimately responsible for what happened in his Archdiocese and his Congregation. The pope is a very smart, competent, learned man who strikes me as a hands-on type, when he wants to be. if the material is unpleasant, or repulsive or mundane, or it doesn’t interest him–he will delegate it. I think that he has already regretted this.

Regarding the Milwaukee case, Archbishop Weakland wrote Cardinal Ratzinger–not his secretary, but the Cardinal himself because he felt that the abuses plus what sounded like violation of the confessional required a trial. Why this took so long, I don’t know–the interviews with the perp were in 1993, Weakland’s letter was in 1996. However, the canonists in his archdiocese had finally determined that the nature of Murphy’s crimes required the attention of the Cardinal’s Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, so Weakland finally wrote him.

There is no evidence that Cardinal Ratzinger ever personally wrote or spoke with Archbishop Weakland. This in itself appears strange to me. Is not the nature of these crimes and their submission by a *US Archbishop *in a personal letter sufficient reason for the Cardinal’s oversight? There was no response, so Weakland opened a trial.The Congregation agreed to take it over but the investigation proceeded very slowly. Finally, the Cardinal’s secretary, in April, 1998, Bertone, who is now the Vatican Secretary of State, so probably was and is a trusted agent of the Cardinal/Pope’s advised a very weak penalty of retirement and penance, which the Milwaukee bishops thought clearly inadequate. Murphy died later that year. The Cardinal read Murphy’s appeal but at no time did he talk to the Milwaukee bishops, or write or otherwise communicate with Weakland.

In the Munich case, the question was brought up during a meeting of a priest from Essen getting psychiatric care in Munich needing room and board. this was given and the matter dropped. The man, who had been drummed out of Essen by angry parents, resumed active parish work in Munich 5 days after his treatment started. There was no supervision or followup by Archbishop Ratzinger’s office in Munich. Six years later the priest was convicted of child abuse. In the meantime, the Archbishop was very actively involved in maintaining doctrinal purity in his diocese, so he was capable of hands-on work. He could have asked the nature of the priest’s psychiatric problems, but he didn’t. Fr. Fahr was informed by Essen as to what those problems were, but didn’t follow up on it. It is a pity that the Archbishop did not ask a single question–what was the psychiatric problem? He could have spared himself a great deal of trouble.

In both cases, as Archbishop and as Cardinal, but especially the latter, he let a potentially very serious case slip through his hands–with devastating results. And, yes, he was responsible. Especially in such a rigid hierarchy as the Catholic Church, the buck really does stop here.
 
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