Crimeans Who Ushered in the Russians Now Have to Live With Their Choice

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You mean Serbia wouldn’t have minded being controlled by the Soviets aka the Russians.
Ahh yes my dear Serb friends…I recall how the Chetniks tried to create a “NovoRussia” out of Croatia. Thankfully Croatia succeed in putting the kabosh to that thanks to US training and material support. Now Croatia is free and much better off. A story with a happy ending. (I am actually more Croatian descent than Ukrainian BTW) The current Ukrainian situation reminds me what happened to Croatia back then and gives me hope that good will triumph over evil in Ukraine
 
You mean Serbia wouldn’t have minded being controlled by the Soviets aka the Russians.
If you read what I said, it was that Serbia would not mind having Russia as a neighbor.
p.s. Not a single person, knowing the historical background of Russia would willingly want Russia to border it’s country.
It doesn’t help your credibility to claim something that is well known to be false. Serbia is a great friend of Russia.
 
Ahh yes my dear Serb friends…I recall how the Chetniks tried to create a “NovoRussia” out of Croatia. Thankfully Croatia succeed in putting the kabosh to that thanks to US training and material support. Now Croatia is free and much better off. A story with a happy ending. (I am actually more Croatian descent than Ukrainian BTW) The current Ukrainian situation reminds me what happened to Croatia back then and gives me hope that good will triumph over evil in Ukraine
Of course you know that this Serb- Croat dispute has two sides.
 
Ahh yes my dear Serb friends…I recall how the Chetniks tried to create a “NovoRussia” out of Croatia. Thankfully Croatia succeed in putting the kabosh to that thanks to US training and material support. Now Croatia is free and much better off. A story with a happy ending. (I am actually more Croatian descent than Ukrainian BTW) The current Ukrainian situation reminds me what happened to Croatia back then and gives me hope that good will triumph over evil in Ukraine
I truly hope so.
 
If you read what I said, it was that Serbia would not mind having Russia as a neighbor.

It doesn’t help your credibility to claim something that is well known to be false. Serbia is a great friend of Russia.
I never said that Serbia is not a great friend of Russia, what I said is that I don’t believe Serbia would have wanted to be bordering Russia for reasons related to the past.
 
Fantasy is not useful for me. But perhaps it is for others on this thread.
There is not a single link that on the topic that supports the fantasy that Putin’s wealth is all gossip. Virtually any source says as much. Even if western MSM is biased, its journalists are professional and the fact that they all report are credible.
It is simply not a credible position to take that his wealth is not vast.

The ball is still in your court, and it is game, set and match, but only if reality is going to be the guiding principle in these discussions.
 
In the west, attacks on LBGT are prosecuted, in Russia, not so much, and on purpose.
It is rather a painful issue for us in the West, who have supported the idea that gay bashing ought to be persecuted, only to see the tide turn and Christians become persecuted for traditional stances.
Of course, in Putin’s Russia, there is every reason to believe that the violence is also acceptable. His rhetoric when the issue was in the spotlight was disturbing, to say the least.
 
There is not a single link that on the topic that supports the fantasy that Putin’s wealth is all gossip. Virtually any source says as much. Even if western MSM is biased, its journalists are professional and the fact that they all report are credible.
It is simply not a credible position to take that his wealth is not vast.

The ball is still in your court, and it is game, set and match, but only if reality is going to be the guiding principle in these discussions.
Oh like the reality that poster here are payed by the Russian government, that reality? Anyway virtually all sources say that Obama is in the closet with a murdered lover and that he is muslim, found in articles right next to the Putin is a billionaire pedophile section…
 
Putin is the richest man in the world …
Not true according to Forbes:
Bill Gates is once again the richest person on the planet, a title he’s held for 16 of the past 21 years. His fortune grew $3.2 billion since last year to $79.2 billion, despite a gift of $1.5 billion in Microsoft MSFT +1.12% shares to The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in November 2014. Carlos Slim Helu of Mexico comes in again at No. 2 while revered American investor Warren Buffett took back the No. 3 spot from Spain’s Amancio Ortega (now No. 4); not even the largest IPO in history was enough to beat the Oracle of Omaha this year. Buffett was the list’s biggest gainer, up $14.5 billion to $72.7 billion, thanks to Berkshire Hathaway’s rising share price. Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg moves up 5 spots to number 16, his first time ranked among the world’s 20 richest. Ma and three other Chinese are among the the biggest gainers and appear among the 50 richest on the list.
forbes.com/billionaires/
inside-the-2015-forbes-billionaires-list-facts-and-figures
Or see:
thecountriesof.com/who-is-the-richest-person-in-the-world-ever/
usatoday.com/story/news/usanow/2013/05/17/bill-gates-richest-man/2193853/
 
Oh like the reality that poster here are payed by the Russian government, that reality? Anyway virtually all sources say that Obama is in the closet with a murdered lover and that he is muslim, found in articles right next to the Putin is a billionaire pedophile section…
I have a real problem trying to decipher what you are trying to say.
 
I have a real problem trying to decipher what you are trying to say.
My understanding in what he has said is that you are absolutely wrong that Putin is the richest man in the world. This is just gossip without any credible basis.
 
Not true according to Forbes:
Bill Gates is once again the richest person on the planet, a title he’s held for 16 of the past 21 years. His fortune grew $3.2 billion since last year to $79.2 billion, despite a gift of $1.5 billion in Microsoft MSFT +1.12% shares to The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in November 2014. Carlos Slim Helu of Mexico comes in again at No. 2 while revered American investor Warren Buffett took back the No. 3 spot from Spain’s Amancio Ortega (now No. 4); not even the largest IPO in history was enough to beat the Oracle of Omaha this year. Buffett was the list’s biggest gainer, up $14.5 billion to $72.7 billion, thanks to Berkshire Hathaway’s rising share price. Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg moves up 5 spots to number 16, his first time ranked among the world’s 20 richest. Ma and three other Chinese are among the the biggest gainers and appear among the 50 richest on the list.
forbes.com/billionaires/
inside-the-2015-forbes-billionaires-list-facts-and-figures
Or see:
thecountriesof.com/who-is-the-richest-person-in-the-world-ever/
usatoday.com/story/news/usanow/2013/05/17/bill-gates-richest-man/2193853/
Would it make a difference to your objection if Putin was merely the richest man in Europe, or even just in Russia?
Recall the topic being discussed, which was the superiority of Russian values over those of the West.

Whether or not Bill Gates is richer through his genius, Putin did not gain the kind of wealth that he did through wise investment of a civil servants salary.

What kind of values are involved in defending such corruption?
 
My understanding in what he has said is that you are absolutely wrong that Putin is the richest man in the world. This is just gossip without any credible basis.
Now that takes some real imagination to read that into it.

But at least your interpretation is decipherable. Whether or not it really has anything to do with what he said does not really matter …
 
Would it make a difference to your objection if Putin was merely the richest man in Europe, or even just in Russia?
Recall the topic being discussed, which was the superiority of Russian values over those of the West.

Whether or not Bill Gates is richer through his genius, Putin did not gain the kind of wealth that he did through wise investment of a civil servants salary.

What kind of values are involved in defending such corruption?
Here’s what you originally said:
Putin is the richest man in the world…
Are you now backtracking and admitting that you were wrong and that Putin is not the richest man in the world?
 
Here’s what you originally said:

Are you now backtracking and admitting that you were wrong and that Putin is not the richest man in the world?
Yes.
I am backtracking.
Now let’s discuss the real issue, which is how Putin’s Russian values could be possibly be construed to be superior, given the corruption involved in his amassing wealth to where he is one of the richest men in the world, if not the richest.

Are you willing to enter into how this kind of wealth accumulation would be defensible on his behalf?
 
Oh like the reality that poster here are payed by the Russian government, that reality? Anyway virtually all sources say that Obama is in the closet with a murdered lover and that he is muslim, found in articles right next to the Putin is a billionaire pedophile section…
hahaha…that about sums it all up!
 
Yes.
I am backtracking.
Now let’s discuss the real issue, which is how Putin’s Russian values could be possibly be construed to be superior, given the corruption involved in his amassing wealth to where he is one of the richest men in the world, if not the richest.

Are you willing to enter into how this kind of wealth accumulation would be defensible on his behalf?
It wouldn’t be defensible and that’s why it is false - he hasn’t got this accumulated wealth. A very easy piece of manufactured gossip to discredit Putin, as per your reasons outlined above.

Even from a basic common sense viewpoint when does he get to spend it all, he’s getting on a bit now not much time left to go mad and live it up!

How has he used his lavish wealth over the decades, considering he’s been in the public eye for most of it and working.

There’s even gossip about the Pope being the richest man in the world. :rolleyes:

matrixbob.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/the-pope-is-the-richest-man-in-the-world-the-catholic-church-is-the-wealthiest-corporation-on-earth-yet-catholics-starve-to-death/
 
The LBGT lifestyle is promoted in the west. Public universites and even some Catholic schools promote a play called the V monololgues where a 13 year old girl supposedly attains her salvation by having sinful lesbian relations with an older woman.
In the West, if you want to wallow in sinfulness, that is your choice. Its called freedom. Let the chips fall where they may. You can’t have free will without the freedom to exercise it. That is a western value that is far superior to the Russian “value” of state approved beating of people to a pulp because you dont like what they are.
 
hrw.org/news/2014/12/15/russia-impunity-anti-lgbt-violence

Moscow) – Russian authorities have failed in their obligation to prevent and prosecute homophobic violence. Growing numbers of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people have been attacked and harassed across Russia in the lead-up and aftermath of the adoption of the federal anti-LGBT “propaganda” law in June 2013. The law effectively legalized discrimination against LGBT people and cast them as second-class citizens.

The 85-page report, “License to Harm: Violence and Harassment against LGBT People and Activists in Russia,” is based on dozens of detailed interviews with LGBT people and activists in 16 cities across Russia who experienced attacks or aggressive harassment because of their sexual orientation or gender identity. LGBT people described being beaten, abducted, humiliated, and called “pedophiles” or “perverts,” in some cases by homophobic vigilante groups and in others by strangers on the subway, on the street, at nightclubs, at cafes, and in one case, at a job interview.

“Violence experienced by LGBT people in Russia is unmistakably motivated by homophobia, but the authorities deliberately ignore that these are hate crimes and fail to protect victims,” said Tanya Cooper, Russia researcher at Human Rights Watch. “Russian authorities should effectively prosecute homophobic violence, and the authorities should stop engaging in and tolerating anti-LGBT discrimination.”

Human Rights Watch documented the stigma, harassment, and violence LGBT people in Russia face in their everyday lives. Most of those interviewed said that these problems intensified since 2013. In some cases, they were attacked by the anti-LGBT vigilante groups that appeared in dozens of Russian cities and towns in late 2012. These groups of radical nationalists lure gay men and teenage boys on the pretext of a fake date, hold them against their will, and humiliate and expose them by videotaping the encounter. Hundreds of such videos depicting abuse have been posted online.
“I felt blood in my mouth, but only later learned that the attackers had broken my jaw in two places,” said one victim of a vigilante group.

In other cases, LGBT people described being physically attacked by strangers during their everyday activities. Victims told Human Rights Watch that assailants followed them and in many cases hit them, while accusing them of being gay, calling them “faggots,” and hurling homophobic slurs at them in public places.

Witness: Beaten for Being Gay in Russia - Andrey’s Story

LGBT activists also face physical violence and harassment at public events supporting LGBT equality. The vast majority of LGBT activists interviewed had been attacked at least once during public pro-LGBT events since 2012, describing attacks in several cities. They said that although anti-LGBT counter-protesters routinely harass and attack them, the police consistently fail to take adequate measures to prevent the attacks and protect them from violence.

Out of 78 victims of homophobic and transphobic violence and harassment interviewed for the report, 22 did not report attacks against them to the police because they feared direct harassment from police and did not believe the police would take the attacks seriously. Many victims felt reporting the attacks to the police was a waste of time. Indeed, when victims did lodge complaints with the police, few investigations followed.

“Russian law enforcement agencies have the tools to prosecute homophobic violence, but they lack the will to do so,” Cooper said. “The failure to stop and punish homophobic violence and aggression puts LGBT people and their supporters at further risk of attack.”

Anyone who wished to boast about Russias “moral superiorority” needs to pull the plank out of their own eye.
 
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