Criminalization of drugs

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While I am against legalization of most drugs, I do believe in de-criminalization of most drugs, as well as drastically downgrading penalties for all drug possession.
I find this agreeable. I’m not supportive of the recreational use of drugs, but I think that the penalties and the impacts the the legal system applies in response to them may be too severe. I’m not in favour of punishing someone for the rest of their life for having used drugs recreationally. Such a penalty blocks many of the legitimate ways that a person could use to support his or her life and family inaccessible.
 
I find this agreeable. I’m not supportive of the recreational use of drugs, but I think that the penalties and the impacts the the legal system applies in response to them may be too severe. I’m not in favour of punishing someone for the rest of their life for having used drugs recreationally. Such a penalty blocks many of the legitimate ways that a person could use to support his or her life and family inaccessible.
Whats really strange about current drug laws/ penalties, those convicted of many drug charges, they can NEVER again qualify for fed benefits, nor can they receive help in going back to school, some schools will not even accept them, even if they are paying out of pocket…basically, they are easier on sex offenders, child molesters, and murderers…???

Plus, in the US, Ive always thought once a person pays their debt to society, thats it, they get to start over…but not so when it comes to drug charges, they hold this over their heads for the rest of their lives for some reason…then they wonder why many former drug dealers end up right back in the same game?!

I would LOVE to know why they put all these extra barriers on those convicted of drug charges, especially when its MUCH more harsh than those convicted of serious sex offenses!!! LOL Seems like they do not want them to turn their lives around…maybe the for profit prison industry to blame here?
 
Portugal had one of the highest addiction rates in Europe, estimated at 1 percent of the population. They tried harsh criminal penalties, which had no positive effect. So, they are now trying a radical change in policy. They release the convicted drug users from prison, and then put the same amount of money that was being used for drug enforcement and incarceration into education and rehabilitation.

Guess what? They have now cut their addict population in half, and they are still making progress.
How do they differentiate from users or possession and sales. Our issue in the US is the users=possession often escalates into minor street sales which then take on another level of crime, felony charges etc. Too many slip through the cracks and end up in the revolving door. To some degree we are helping create criminals and then as stated above, pretty much continue to ostracize.

So catching this issue early is imperative, but the draconian on-going process and view isn’t helping morality. I’d just assume have legal addicts and happy, with no need for the black market, crime and vice.
 
The loss to business productivity and the increased costs for treatment are and will be high.

Legal had better be right or it’s not right.

As far as criminals, they’ll just move up the chain. “Marijuana is legal? We’ll keep moving the other stuff.” Criminals will not stop criminal activity just because one currently illegal drug becomes legal.

Ed
 
In the end, Jesus tells us to use plants for medicine, NOWHERE does it say they should be heavily regulated, so doctors and big pharma companies can make millions LOL
What scripture is that?
 
Thousands have been killed south of the border, mostly Catholics, because the U.S. won’t acknowledge that the war on drugs is nothing more than a proxy war on the poor. Rich people never get sent to jail for drugs. The war on drugs does nothing but perpetuate the prison state. My mom died of a opiate O.D., still for legalization. I wont touch the stuff with a ten foot pole, but a relatively rich American choosing to die is far better than all the bloodshed brought on the poor souls south of the border. Catholics can choose not to get high, problem solved.
 
Thousands have been killed south of the border, mostly Catholics, because the U.S. won’t acknowledge that the war on drugs is nothing more than a proxy war on the poor. Rich people never get sent to jail for drugs. The war on drugs does nothing but perpetuate the prison state. My mom died of a opiate O.D., still for legalization. I wont touch the stuff with a ten foot pole, but a relatively rich American choosing to die is far better than all the bloodshed brought on the poor souls south of the border. Catholics can choose not to get high, problem solved.
Yes, plus, as heavy a toll as heroin is causing all over the US right now, and still the US does pretty much nothing to slow it down, yet when it comes to islamic terror, they will send destroyers and apaches to other countries to stop it…why arent they invading the regions in Mexico where this stuff is grown and made? Mexico has said they are on the US side, and agree it needs to be stopped, so its not a border issue, the US COULD do more to stop it…but they dont…?

What I cant believe or understand, this is POST 9-11, how in the world are the cartels consistently getting enough product into the country to supply every single city here…think about that, its in every small town to large metro city…that is ALOT of dope, this fact alone makes me think there is collusion.
 
What scripture is that?
This holy anointing oil, as described in the original Hebrew version of the recipe in Exodus (30:22-23), contained over six pounds of kaneh-bosem, a substance identified by respected etymologists, linguists, anthropologists, botanists and other researchers as cannabis, extracted into about six quarts of olive oil, along with a variety of other fragrant herbs. The ancient anointed ones were literally drenched in this potent mixture.

Ezekiel 47:12 ESV

And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all kinds of trees for food. Their leaves will not wither, nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month, because the water for them flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.”

The common name used for medical leaves is herbs. Ps.104:14 says that He has given us “herbs for the service of man.”
 
This holy anointing oil, as described in the original Hebrew version of the recipe in Exodus (30:22-23), contained over six pounds of kaneh-bosem, a substance identified by respected etymologists, linguists, anthropologists, botanists and other researchers as cannabis, extracted into about six quarts of olive oil, along with a variety of other fragrant herbs. The ancient anointed ones were literally drenched in this potent mixture.

Heres another…
Ezekiel 47:12 ESV

And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all kinds of trees for food. Their leaves will not wither, nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month, because the water for them flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.”
Those are old testament books. Where are statement of Jesus you claimed?
 
Those are old testament books. Where are statement of Jesus you claimed?
If one believes that Jesus Is God-Incarnate and that the Second Person of the Trinity is God and that the Second Person of the Trinity became Jesus in the Incarnation and that these old testament books concern God and God’s ongoing relationship with man, than wouldn’t it stand to reason that these are statements “of Jesus” that were spoken of before the Second Person of the Trinity became Jesus but were/are nevertheless “statements of Jesus”?
 
In the end, Jesus tells us to use plants for medicine
None of the scriptures you gave referenced Jesus. If you are going to continue use this argument that Jesus gave medical advice then please back it up with some scripture.
 
Yes, plus, as heavy a toll as heroin is causing all over the US right now, and still the US does pretty much nothing to slow it down, yet when it comes to islamic terror, they will send destroyers and apaches to other countries to stop it…why arent they invading the regions in Mexico where this stuff is grown and made? Mexico has said they are on the US side, and agree it needs to be stopped, so its not a border issue, the US COULD do more to stop it…but they dont…?

What I cant believe or understand, this is POST 9-11, how in the world are the cartels consistently getting enough product into the country to supply every single city here…think about that, its in every small town to large metro city…that is ALOT of dope, this fact alone makes me think there is collusion.
Of course there is collusion, where theirs power theirs the temptation to control. If you put me, a relatively honest person, in charge of fighting a drug war and making my livelihood doing so. I would be extremely unlikely to do anything to end said war. I Would likely make it justifiable mentally, to rid me of my guilt while feeding myself and my family. Kind of common sense people.
 
I know where the catholic church stands on recreational drug use.I agree wholey.but the idea of putting someone in jail for doing something(getting high) that is no different(IMO) than what can be achieved with alcohol(getting drunk) just rubs me the wrong way.can i be a catholic in good standing(when i convert of course) and be for drug legalization?
First its really a myth to say that people are in jail for “getting high” on marijuana. Most people in jail for “marijuana” are there as a result of another more serious charge and possession happens to be an additional charge. And generally the people in jail for marijuana possession are there because they have huge amounts of it in their possession.

Substance use degrades our minds and bodies.
 
First its really a myth to say that people are in jail for “getting high” on marijuana. Most people in jail for “marijuana” are there as a result of another more serious charge and possession happens to be an additional charge. And generally the people in jail for marijuana possession are there because they have huge amounts of it in their possession.

Substance use degrades our minds and bodies.
That is sort of right. The more serious charges carry longer penalties, but our most common cause for arrest is still simple possession.
 
That is sort of right. The more serious charges carry longer penalties, but our most common cause for arrest is still simple possession.
Its minor and its not a rational reason to legalize drugs.
 
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