Criminalization of drugs

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Its minor and its not a rational reason to legalize drugs.
If the drug laws are changed then there will still be laws and regulations. Breaking those laws and regulations would result in fines and punishments. Minorities need to stop being arrested for simple possession at disproportionate rates to whites. Illegal drug production will still be punished even when there are legal production procedures.
 
If the drug laws are changed then there will still be laws and regulations. Breaking those laws and regulations would result in fines and punishments. Minorities need to stop being arrested for simple possession at disproportionate rates to whites. Illegal drug production will still be punished even when there are legal production procedures.
Why must minorities not be arrested at disproportionate rates to white? If 8 out of 10 banks are robbed by minorities who else should they arrest?
 
Why must minorities not be arrested at disproportionate rates to white? If 8 out of 10 banks are robbed by minorities who else should they arrest?
Wow 21st century racism makes an appearance. Do you have any idea how many times Willie Nelson has had his possession charges repealed? He gets arrested almost every time he goes through Texas, yet somehow he never serves actual time. Why is it that this rich white man gets treated differently than a poor black man who has broken the exact same law. Demographically cannabis usage versus possession charges are not equal in the United States; that is modern day racism.
 
Wow 21st century racism makes an appearance. Do you have any idea how many times Willie Nelson has had his possession charges repealed? He gets arrested almost every time he goes through Texas, yet somehow he never serves actual time. Why is it that this rich white man gets treated differently than a poor black man who has broken the exact same law. Demographically cannabis usage versus possession charges are not equal in the United States; that is modern day racism.
Wow 21st century PC hysteria rears its ugly head. Thank you for avoiding my question. Why do rich white men get treated differently than poor black men? For the same reason rich black men get treated differently than poor white men. The real dividing line is money not race. Now back to my question, if 8 out of 10 banks are robbed my minorities who else should be arrested?
 
Wow 21st century PC hysteria rears its ugly head. Thank you for avoiding my question. Why do rich white men get treated differently than poor black men? For the same reason rich black men get treated differently than poor white men. The real dividing line is money not race. Now back to my question, if 8 out of 10 banks are robbed my minorities who else should be arrested?
So what you are saying is that it is ok to discriminate based on money? I avoided your question because the statistic you used was discriminatory… you assume the majority of bank robbers are minorities. If 10 banks get robbed and 8 are by minorities then all 10 culprits should be arrested. However, when it comes to drug use if 8 out of 10 are minorities, and all are guilty, then usually all 8 minorities get arrested while the 2 whites get let go. The drug laws are discriminatory whether they discriminate based on income or ethnicity.
 
So what you are saying is that it is ok to discriminate based on money? I avoided your question because the statistic you used was discriminatory… you assume the majority of bank robbers are minorities. If 10 banks get robbed and 8 are by minorities then all 10 culprits should be arrested. However, when it comes to drug use if 8 out of 10 are minorities, and all are guilty, then usually all 8 minorities get arrested while the 2 whites get let go. The drug laws are discriminatory whether they discriminate based on income or ethnicity.
No I didnt say that. Why do people do that? I said the dividing line is money not race which is NOT the same thing as saying its “Ok”. Wow! I see that talking with you will be a struggle. It was a hypothetical scenario. Yes they should all be arrested but we would have just what we have here and that is someone complaining that minorities are being disproportionately arrested.
 
Its minor and its not a rational reason to legalize drugs.
I consider following a failed program for five decades that yield no results irrational. I consider any nation that incarcerates as much of their populous as we do irrational. What we call inhumane in other countries we call being tough on crime in the U.S.
 
You guy’s do realize the U.S. government has been caught red handed giving weapons to the cartels. Bankers have been caught laundering drug money, and just got a relatively small fine. You do realize getting your information from anything other than multiple primary sources is intellectually lazy, and opens you up to be influenced by propaganda. The prison industrial complex makes billions off of people who would likely descent to arbitrary authority. Our society selects for obedience to superiors, not rational free thought.

How anyone just accepts the world as it’s presented on T.V. or in the papers is beyond me. How any Christian could support American imperialism is beyond me. POOR people are dieing, because rich people are scared there little Billy might smoke a joint and not get a good corporate job making obscene amounts of wealth while people in the country’s affected by our drug war starve.

I think some of you are worshiping society and not Jesus. Perhaps you should try turning what you think you know on the top of it’s head, like Jesus and the whole old testament did. Just my two cents, my goals not to get you to agree with me. My goal is to get you to do your own unbiased research, and make a rational decision on what seems to be the best course of action. I guarantee I know more about drugs than most of you, Ive grown fantastic medical quality weed before, and theirs not a drug I’m aware of I’ve not done at least three times. I don’t deserve jail for past mistakes, and neither do the millions of non violent people being arrested.

TLDR: Read a unbiased book man. T.V. is full of caca, and killing poor foreigners is unchristian.
 
I consider following a failed program for five decades that yield no results irrational. I consider any nation that incarcerates as much of their populous as we do irrational. What we call inhumane in other countries we call being tough on crime in the U.S.
Still noting in that which is a rational or logical reason to legalize marijuana or other presently illegal drugs
 
I consider following a failed program for five decades that yield no results irrational. I consider any nation that incarcerates as much of their populous as we do irrational. What we call inhumane in other countries we call being tough on crime in the U.S.
Thank you! Honesty isn’t a sin people!
 
You guy’s do realize the U.S. government has been caught red handed giving weapons to the cartels. Bankers have been caught laundering drug money, and just got a relatively small fine. You do realize getting your information from anything other than multiple primary sources is intellectually lazy, and opens you up to be influenced by propaganda. The prison industrial complex makes billions off of people who would likely descent to arbitrary authority. Our society selects for obedience to superiors, not rational free thought.

How anyone just accepts the world as it’s presented on T.V. or in the papers is beyond me. How any Christian could support American imperialism is beyond me. POOR people are dieing, because rich people are scared there little Billy might smoke a joint and not get a good corporate job making obscene amounts of wealth while people in the country’s affected by our drug war starve.

I think some of you are worshiping society and not Jesus. Perhaps you should try turning what you think you know on the top of it’s head, like Jesus and the whole old testament did. Just my two cents, my goals not to get you to agree with me. My goal is to get you to do your own unbiased research, and make a rational decision on what seems to be the best course of action. I guarantee I know more about drugs than most of you, Ive grown fantastic medical quality weed before, and theirs not a drug I’m aware of I’ve not done at least three times. I don’t deserve jail for past mistakes, and neither do the millions of non violent people being arrested.

TLDR: Read a unbiased book man. T.V. is full of caca, and killing poor foreigners is unchristian.
No offense but I think so decaf would do you some good.
 
Still noting in that which is a rational or logical reason to legalize marijuana or other presently illegal drugs
Because black markets cause huge amounts of violence… compared to what? John Q Public smoking a joint and buying some ice cream? Throw the guy in jail where he will face gang rape by white supremacists, clearly the christian thing to do.

Your not thinking straight. The system is broken and we need a new one.
 
Straw man argument. You can be complacent all you want, I get passionate about God’s people being killed on the altar of the rich man.
It was an observation not an argument. And nothing you have added here will make that better
 
Most times someone blows the whistle on institutionalized corruption people use the nut’s N slut’s tactic. There either nuts ( witch I freely admit I am) or sluts (again guilty, I’ve slept around quiet a bit) and thus can be dismissed. All I want to know is what baring that has on rich Americans perpetuation a war on the third world?
 
First its really a myth to say that people are in jail for “getting high” on marijuana. Most people in jail for “marijuana” are there as a result of another more serious charge and possession happens to be an additional charge. And generally the people in jail for marijuana possession are there because they have huge amounts of it in their possession.

Substance use degrades our minds and bodies.
Substance abuse degrades our minds, our bodies, and our souls.

Intrinsically however there is nothing wrong with substance use as demonstrated by our Lord’s use of alcohol, and His providing it to others who were already under its influence, as at Cana.

We have these tremendous beams in our own eyes in the form of nicotine and alcohol. They prevent us from accepting our neighbors’ use of other, less harmful, and/or less addictive drugs.
 
Substance abuse degrades our minds, our bodies, and our souls.

Intrinsically however there is nothing wrong with substance use as demonstrated by our Lord’s use of alcohol, and His providing it to others who were already under its influence, as at Cana.

We have these tremendous beams in our own eyes in the form of nicotine and alcohol. They prevent us from accepting our neighbors’ use of other, less harmful, and/or less addictive drugs.
wheres the proof that marijuana for instance is less harmful than other drugs. Please provide citations. Thanks
 
wheres the proof that marijuana for instance is less harmful than other drugs. Please provide citations. Thanks
If you need a study to tell you that marijuana is less harmful than prescription opiates or barbiturates, not to mention alcohol, you’re just plain naive. What bubble do you live in where you have never heard of OD’ing on pills, or drunks beating there kids? How many pot heads have you seen turn to prostitution to support there habit?

Worst case scenario they’ll get a job at ZIA records and wont be able to find the AC/DC records in a timely manor. Worst thing I’ve had a pot head do is eat all my hot pockets without asking. I’ve seen drunks loose there job and not take care of there kid’s, my ma died from a pill overdose. If you don’t have experience in the drug culture your opinion is likely informed primarily by propaganda.

Our last three presidents could have been convicts if they were unlucky enough to be poor and get caught doing drugs. Not that I care for any of em, but my point stands. Just admit you don’t know a lot about drugs and move on to another thread. Most drug people come from messed up circumstances and need serious help, not to be thrown into jail with a bunch of racist rapist. In case you didn’t know, smaller men such as myself often get forcefully sodomized in prison. Re-evaluate your position bro, not everything’s like the T.V. says it is.

Here man let me Google that for you. Try and stay away from non scientific based literature as it likely has a political agenda.

iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/new-study-suggests-risks-marijuana-use-have-been-overestimated
 
There are actually very few documented cases of death by a marijuana overdose. For the most part, THC (the drug in marijuana) has never been thought of as a deadly drug. In the few instances that death has occurred with marijuana use it has been attribute to other drug use or the health condition of the individual. THC is so low in potency that very large amounts would need to be taken to cause a dangerous overdose.

A fatal marijuana overdose in humans would take 40,000 times the amount of THC that it took to get them high in the first place. In comparison, it would only take 5 to 10 times the amount of alcohol to get drunk to kill a human. If you can get drunk on 3 beers, then 15 to 30 beers can cause death. If you inhale 3 puffs of marijuana smoke and get high, then you would have to take 120,000 puffs of marijuana smoke to be fatal. In this sense, it is nearly impossible to die from an overdose of marijuana. Again, it depends on the purity of the marijuana and the health status of the individual so these amounts may vary depending on the situation.

From
newhealthguide.org/Can-You-Overdose-On-Marijuana.html

I could get more but I’d suggest you do your own researcher. Go to a rock show and ask how many people have had serious problems with weed, then try asking about alcohol. Read both sides of the argument and make a well thought out educated best guess, but be prepared to change that guess as new information becomes available. Or listen to right wing propaganda, I don’t really care you’re your own person.
 
Alcohol is the REAL problem, there are many many studies now that show it is more dangerous than Heroin!!

Year after year, our state has rising DUI and other alcohol related offenses, yet it remains 100% legal, NO ONE even suggests new regulations on it…?? Yet when our area started seeing alot of OD deaths from painkiller, the state Govt acted VERY quickly to get it under control, they made it much tougher to get these opiate based painkillers.(although this plan did backfire, as it just pushed all the former pill poppers to easily accessible heroin).

But the point is, when the state started to see alot of negative things caused by a LEGAL substance, they acted quickly and put more regulations on it…but with alcohol, no matter how many DUIs an area has, no matter how many health related issues are caused by it, NO ONE will even suggest cracking down on alcohol…I do not understand this.

If its a matter about the lobbyists, then its only logical that the pharmaceutical industry would have at least tried to fight all the new pill regulation, but as far as I know, they just sat back and let it happen, (another thing I dont understand), if lawmakers suggested new laws for alcohol, Im POSITIVE the big alcohol companies would have every lobbyist and lawyer they can afford trying to fight it!!
 
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