Cross-Dressing Day Causes Stir at Milwaukee Elementary School

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Razanir said:
Wait, the Cowboys and Indians game? All this time I’ve been using it to mean a themed dress-up day where everyone comes dressed as a cowboy or Native American
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I was referring to DaddyGirl’s mention of children who play, or used to play, Cowboys and Indians. Nonetheless, dress-up can, in the Wittgenstein tradition, be considered a game so long as one admits that most concepts cannot be neatly defined. The questions still remain: does dressing up backwards teach anything or is it just for fun; does it promote the infamous LBGT agenda or have any effect on children’s sexuality; and does it actually teach children NOT to respect cross-dressers by ridiculing them?
 
JimG said:
A cross-dressing day at an elementary school? I would be astonished, but I am way past astonishment at anything the culture comes up with anymore.
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My first thought as well.

This is an absolute disgrace. I am glad that I am old as I would hate to see this country in another fifty years since it has changed so drastically already in the past fifty.

God have mercy on us.
 
Razanir said:
My high school, at least, has had it as recently as last year. Also, what “gun thing”? I never even used the word “gun” in my previous reply.
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You got cowboys you got guns.
I’ll also offer an alternate comparison: How is it different than seeing Bugs Bunny or Spongebob cross-dressing? I’ll admit I’m only college age, but I doubt that Bugs semi-frequent use of cross-dressing was meant to push this decades-long agenda. It’s meant to be funny. Some people may claim it’s twisted humor, but it can be funny.
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Three examples:
**What’s Opera, Doc?*– Voted the Best Cartoon Ever in 1994, this short condenses Wagner’s Ring Cycle into a 6 minute short, starring Elmur Fudd as Siegfried and Bugs Bunny as Brünhilde. Bugs is dressed as a valkyrie for (almost) the entire episode, and no one reacted
*iCarly– In one episode, Carly, Sam and Freddie ask their in-universe viewers for videos of them dancing to show the best ones on their in-universe show. They watch them well into the night, and we see their dance-related dreams. Carly’s has her in a dress in the apartment, with several identical men dancing with her. At the end of the episode, Spencer, her brother, takes a now-sleeping Carly up to her room, then goes back down and falls asleep where she was. As a quick joke at the end of the episode, it has Carly’s dream start again, but with Spencer in her place. Yes, in a dress and dancing with the identical men. Not meant to push an agenda (I don’t think, anyway). Just a brief little gag with him winding up in his sister’s place in a dream.
*Kim Possible– In one episode, Drakken makes a machine that makes people switch bodies. Notably, Kim and Ron. For the most part, the episode is similar to the movie Freaky Friday. They have to survive a day as each other. Which is worse for Ron, because of Kim’s “I can do anything”-themed schedule. The closest it ever gets to an agenda, in my opinion, is when Ron makes a throwaway comment about how he did kinda like the skirt.
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In all three cases, there’s no theme of “Be whatever gender you want!” The first one is like Greek theatre, where they had boys play girls’ parts. The second one isn’t a major plot point at all, but a quick gag at the very end of the episode. And the third is a body swap/Freaky Friday episode, just with gender bending as a result of the two main characters being a boy and a girl.
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How common is it to cross dress in school?
 
meltzerboy said:
One could argue that playing cowboys and Indians instills racism in the sense that the Indians are always the bad guys, much as in the John Wayne movies. Children are impressionable that way.
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I don’t think that playing cowboys and Indians instills racism. I have both cowboy and Native American blood. When it comes to dressing up as one or the other, I always pick being the Indian. It may have to do with the fact that other than skin tone( I’m quite pale) I have a lot of Native American features, high cheek bones, black hair, etc.

What about kids who do skits and plays in school? Dressing up as a certian character will instill something about the type of person they are pretending to be? Playing dress up is just playing make-believe. Which is really encouraged, especially in this day and age where most kids don’t use their imaginations as much as previous generations.
 
RACJ said:
I am certain that the student council had no adult “guidance” whatsoever. I also believe that the IRS crminals were not directed by Holder and Obama! LOL :rolleyes: Rob
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When I was on the student council we voted. The teacher in charge would give us options and we would pick. For an example: the student council picks the school shirt. We would have a not really school wide, but 3-6 grade drawing contest. Kids would enter the contest and draw what they would want the shirt to look like and the best ones the student council voted on. Same went with field day. The teacher would give us options for games/activities and we would vote on the ones to play. 🤷
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
I don’t think that playing cowboys and Indians instills racism. I have both cowboy and Native American blood. When it comes to dressing up as one or the other, I always pick being the Indian. It may have to do with the fact that other than skin tone( I’m quite pale) I have a lot of Native American features, high cheek bones, black hair, etc.

What about kids who do skits and plays in school? Dressing up as a certian character will instill something about the type of person they are pretending to be? Playing dress up is just playing make-believe. Which is really encouraged, especially in this day and age where most kids don’t use their imaginations as much as previous generations.
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Pretend play is essential for children’s cognitive and emotional development, including their creativity. However, if, in playing Cowboys and Indians (not merely dressing up as such), the Cowboys are always the “good guys” and the Indians always the “bad guys,” this may have a negative influence on children’s perception of American Indians (Native Americans, indigenous people). When children do skits and plays, they are acting, not necessarily identifying with these characters, and they realize that. In my view, there is a difference.

I am opposed to cross-dressing in school NOT because I think it furthers an LGBT agenda, but rather because I think it may promote negative stereotypes about LGBT people.
 
meltzerboy said:
Pretend play is essential for children’s cognitive and emotional development, including their creativity. However, if, in playing Cowboys and Indians (not merely dressing up as such), the Cowboys are always the “good guys” and the Indians always the “bad guys,” this may have a negative influence on children’s perception of American Indians (Native Americans, indigenous people). When children do skits and plays, they are acting, not necessarily identifying with these characters, and they realize that. In my view, there is a difference.
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I don’t see the difference. I see kids come to school on dress up days, play dress up, and play different roles in plays. For the Christmas party we ask kids to either wear a santa hat or a elf hat. No kid is picked on for being one or the other. Elves are supposed to be tiny with funny looking ears, I don’t see anything negative happening to the kids who decided to wear that hat.
In Houston when the rodeo comes into town, the school I was working at will have Cowboys and Indian day. The kids always called me Pocahontas on that day. None of them went around telling me that they wanted to shoot me. lol. Or that I was a bad guy. If you have ever been around 4 and 5 year olds, they will tell you exactly what they are thinking. I had a big zit on my face one day and they let me know that it was there. haha.

I don’t remember being picked on in Elementary school for being the elf in the Christmas play. I am petite and I was always the elf. haha. I remember being held down in high school and had eye black wiped on my face becuase I had my hair braided in two long pig tails and I was told I needed war paint. That was high school though. It was all in fun and it was my teammates who did it to me. lol. I don’t need therapy for it. lol.

I think people are making a bigger deal out of this than what is needed. Kiddos came up with this idea. Elementary kids aren’t trying to push an agenda. I promise. If you don’t want your kid to participate, fine.If parents were worried that if their kid didn’t participate that they would be picked on should have mentioned it to the teacher. I have had some diverse classes and some kids don’t/can’t participate in certian things. No biggie. Teachers aren’t supposed to allow kids to be picked on and if they are doing their job they will nip it in the bud. I know I do.
 
I know a few posters on this thread were saying that Cross-Dressing Day sounds like a lot of fun… really? I can remember back to my childhood… and there was no way that I would want to dress up like a girl. For that matter… what would women do if the wanted to dress up like a guy? Wear a shirt a pants? I’m pretty sure that most girls do that already…

So aside from all the gender politics involved here… it just seems like a stupid idea.
 
MacBP said:
I know a few posters on this thread were saying that Cross-Dressing Day sounds like a lot of fun… really? I can remember back to my childhood… and there was no way that I would want to dress up like a girl. For that matter… what would women do if the wanted to dress up like a guy? Wear a shirt a pants? I’m pretty sure that most girls do that already…

So aside from all the gender politics involved here… it just seems like a stupid idea.
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  1. Out of question, where do you stand on it, aside from it seeming like a stupid idea?
  2. At my high school, at least, the girls would exaggerate it. Wear baggy pants, wear baseball caps… Mostly they looked like punks.
 
How do girls “cross dress”? They already wear clothing common to both sexes. They should have just called it “Boys dress as girls day”.
 
opus101 said:
How do girls “cross dress”? They already wear clothing common to both sexes. They should have just called it “Boys dress as girls day”.
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Yes, exactly, unless it was the case that girls were all required to wear skirts or dresses as a matter of course, it would just be “boys dress as girls day.”
 
MaryT777 said:
Of course it’s a gender thing to them. No doubt some more brainwashing our children into “anything goes”.
:rolleyes:
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Maybe the point is more about encouraging to wear what they like? That there are actually no clothes that are “forbidden” for either gender. A sort of “wear what you feel comfortable in” type thing…?
 
Razanir said:
If this was started by the administration to “embrace diversity,” then yes, it’s an agenda. [Insert Color Here]
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Am I the only one who thinks that if we teach children to “embrace diversity” and be tolerant of others we might have less bullying in schools…

It sounds like if the administration “has an agenda”, it’s a good one! Most of those who work with children aren’t trying to ‘convert’ them to another way of life, but to teach them that every person is different and THAT’S OKAY =) It’s okay. I don’t think this is pushing a transgender agenda, I think it’s pushing a “celebrate diversity” type agenda.
 
Razanir said:
Again, I feel you guys are reading too much into this. I read no mention of pushing any sort of agenda. It sounds similar to us having Cross-Dress Day in Spirit Week at high school. Just another themed dress-up day. IMO, this is promoting acceptance of GID no more than Hippie Day would promote hippie-ism.
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We call it “Gender Dysphoria” now. It’s been officially changed in the new DSM. Although there are possibly Sociocultural causes (as well as biological ones) for Gender Dysphoria, it is not going to stem from ONE day of dressing as the other sex.
 
Kdruesedow said:
Am I the only one who thinks that if we teach children to “embrace diversity” and be tolerant of others we might have less bullying in schools…
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What an absolutely sensible idea; I fully expect it to be ignored.
 
fix said:
Everyone is a prude to those who are unprincipled.
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“PRUDE” is the new buzzword for those who don’t fall in line with the entire sexual equality campaign we have going on.:rolleyes:
 
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