Crucifixes

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AlegreFe said:
No one was ever “crucified” the way that Christ was. His Blood that He shed means something to us. Our lives are possible because of Jesus dying on the cross. I don’t mean our current lives here on earth, I mean our eternal lives. And yes, His resurrection makes our eternal lives possible. BUT, there is no resurrection without the crucifixion. No Cross, no Crown. No Easter Sunday without Good Friday. His Crucifixion is more important than you think. Please don’t downplay the Passion and Death of Jesus Christ. 😉
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I am not down playing it at all. I’ve seen crosses that have a crown on it. I don’t recall seeing any with blood, but the one with the crown is a start.
 
awantz said:
Yes, but the cross is empty because Christ is risen. He is no longer on the cross.
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You’re absolutely right. :yup: He has risen!

BUT we cannot forget that He had to die first. He had to suffer first. WE have to suffer on this earth and we can never forget that Jesus Christ suffered for us. Jesus said to pick up our cross and follow Him. When we suffer we could offer it up to Jesus! We could combine our sufferings with those of Christ’s sufferings.

Col 1:24
24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your
sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what
is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on
behalf of his body, which is the church
 
AlegreFe said:
You’re absolutely right. :yup: He has risen!

BUT we cannot forget that He had to die first. He had to suffer first. WE have to suffer on this earth and we can never forget that Jesus Christ suffered for us. Jesus said to pick up our cross and follow Him. When we suffer we could offer it up to Jesus! We could combine our sufferings with those of Christ’s sufferings.

Col 1:24
24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your
sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what
is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on
behalf of his body, which is the church
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That is correct. I think many non-Catholics misunderstand us that we didn’t believe Jesus resurrected. We do believe; moreover, Jesus on the Cross reminds us His great love for us as well.

Also, if we read the Revelation, it is St. John who said:

Revelation 5:6
And I saw: and behold in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the ancients, a Lamb standing as it were slain, having seven horns and seven eyes: which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth.

Yes, Jesus died on the cross, raised from the dead. Why did St. John see Him as still a Lamb?

That can give someone a thought about Eucharist. 😉
 
AlegreFe said:
You’re absolutely right. :yup: He has risen!

BUT we cannot forget that He had to die first. He had to suffer first. WE have to suffer on this earth and we can never forget that Jesus Christ suffered for us. Jesus said to pick up our cross and follow Him. When we suffer we could offer it up to Jesus! We could combine our sufferings with those of Christ’s sufferings.
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Yes and that is why I have a crucifix and an empty cross.
 
awantz said:
I am not down playing it at all. I’ve seen crosses that have a crown on it. I don’t recall seeing any with blood, but the one with the crown is a start.
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Yes, it is a start I guess. This would be good for that saying that Father Corapi always says,
“No cross, no crown!” 👍

Hey I just noticed you’re from Goshen, IN! Have you seen that movie The Prizewinner of Defiance Ohio? It’s a true story and the mom from Defiance Ohio makes a trip to Goshen, Indiana. It’s a true story about a large Catholic family. The mom sacrifices her life for her family. She has an alcoholic husband and she’s the actual “breadwinner” of the family. She’s devout in her faith but they don’t say that in the film. You would have to really know the Catholic faith to understand that she was devout to her faith.
Sorry off topic… :o you can have your thread back leonie.
 
water said:
That is correct. I think many non-Catholics misunderstand us that we didn’t believe Jesus resurrected. We do believe; moreover, Jesus on the Cross reminds us His great love for us as well.

Also, if we read the Revelation, it is St. John who said:

Revelation 5:6
And I saw: and behold in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the ancients, a Lamb standing as it were slain, having seven horns and seven eyes: which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth.

Yes, Jesus died on the cross, raised from the dead. Why did St. John see Him as still a Lamb?

That can give someone a thought about Eucharist. 😉
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This is crucial for Protestants to understand why we have our Mass. We don’t keep crucifying our Lord over and over again. We make present the ONE sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary. God’s time is not our time. Jesus will be forever present as a slain Lamb to God the father, until the end of time when Jesus comes back to us as King. We have Jesus Christ present with us in the Eucharist. Jesus promised He would be with us until the end of time. That is how He kept His promise to us, by being with us in the Eucharist.
 
cubalibre said:
Kitty Chan replied:
"So if I understand you then you follow the same Catholic things they do in America. Im NOT testing you just curious, I think this is another area for everyone to learn understanding. Would the mass be similar? What would be different? Just simple examples. Because I really dont know and I find it interesting. What you said about Jesus being the same is quite true. "
You can go to any Catholic Mass in the world and it will be the same if it is in the Latin rite. The structure and the prayers, the readings from the Bible, the receiving of the Eucharist are all the same.Even though the language would be different, (French, Spanish, Vietnamese, etc) you would understand because the prayers and the structure of the Mass are identical. There are several rites within the Catholic church that are not Latin, ie, Chaldean, Maronite etc. The prayers are different but all believe and practice the identical faith passed on by the apostles. Christian symbols and practices have been adopted by other religions. In Cuba the Santeria religion incorporated the names of many Catholic saints as cover names for their African gods. This is not Catholicism. The use of images to remind us of our faith goes back to the very first Christians (Catholics of course). You can see drawings of the Virgin Mary and Jesus in the Catacombs of Rome dating to the first decades after the resurrection. Of course images were used in Judaiism as well. After the reformation many Protestants went on rampages destroying religious art, statues all over Europe. Beatiful expressions of faith were lost. Catholicism spans many cultures and 2000 years of history. I remember the first time I read the Didache (an instructional manual for Christians dating to the late first century). It was describing how they celebrated their worship. It was very similar to the modern Mass today.
Saludos, cubalibre
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Thanks, I can see when things look a little different due to cultural things people could think its not the same. But thinking about it I have been to various denominations and can find people worshiping God in all, just in their way. So I shouldnt be surprised, of what you say.
 
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