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1ke
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You have nothing to be sorry about.
You are trying to do a good thing. You have a good heart. But you ALSO have some compulsive issues that need to be addressed. And yes, stress can make it worse. So, please do get help.
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You are trying to do a good thing. You have a good heart. But you ALSO have some compulsive issues that need to be addressed. And yes, stress can make it worse. So, please do get help.
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vanessabyrne
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Thanks. But to be honest I feel as if I have a form of OCD, if not on this but on other things. There’s a boots near where I live, I asked before. 1ke has offered some good advice as well as everyone on this. I appreciate the help
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vanessabyrne
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Sorry. I really don’t want a fight over this. You’re both being really supportive and I appreciate it, God Bless and please keep us in your prayers
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vanessabyrne
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Also, I feel as if I had this OCD in some way for a long time now, nothing to do with any posts. Again, thanks so much, it’s kind of you all to try and help a confused teenager like me out 
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StudentMI
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Vanessa, go to your priest soon and tell him you need help. This is not about offering up one’s suffering and prayers to God. It is about you obsessing over things. I second 1ke. Please go as soon as possible and talk with your priest and doctor.
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NHeath
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Dear Vanessa,
Offer your struggles on this to God. You are not making a sin by using the products you already bought. Wasting products is bad, just dont buy them again if they were tested on animals. My poor dog gets so dirty I use every shampoo and even dish washing liquid on him and he hasnt died or gotten infections, so if they test shampoo on aminals, chances are, they are ok too.
You are struggling about something that perhaps you may be able to help the world on. Are you friends with a lot of girls at school? Maybe they would be against using ‘cruelty’ products too and you could start an awareness club at your school. Maybe you dont have OCD, maybe the Holy Spirit is speaking to you about awareness.
BUT talk to your priest as soon as possible. Put the computer away, and pick up the phone and call your priest to make an appointment as soon as you can. Or maybe speak to him after mass tomorrow.
Offer your struggles on this to God. You are not making a sin by using the products you already bought. Wasting products is bad, just dont buy them again if they were tested on animals. My poor dog gets so dirty I use every shampoo and even dish washing liquid on him and he hasnt died or gotten infections, so if they test shampoo on aminals, chances are, they are ok too.
You are struggling about something that perhaps you may be able to help the world on. Are you friends with a lot of girls at school? Maybe they would be against using ‘cruelty’ products too and you could start an awareness club at your school. Maybe you dont have OCD, maybe the Holy Spirit is speaking to you about awareness.
BUT talk to your priest as soon as possible. Put the computer away, and pick up the phone and call your priest to make an appointment as soon as you can. Or maybe speak to him after mass tomorrow.
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simpleas
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Tried to message you back but your inbox is full!
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vanessabyrne
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The thing is though, it’s not really that they put make up on the animals or clean them with it. They test the ingredients etc in an unfair way. Some products say that they don’t test the finish product on animals. Good advice, but I’m almost finished for summer
Anyway, whatever I have, please pray that I trust in Jesus and His Mercy. I have no idea why I’m experiencing and suffering all this, but it must be for whatever reason that God has in mind.
God Bless
Anyway, whatever I have, please pray that I trust in Jesus and His Mercy. I have no idea why I’m experiencing and suffering all this, but it must be for whatever reason that God has in mind.
God Bless
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vanessabyrne
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Did my message to you send? I just made an account so I’m confused on what to doTried to message you back but your inbox is full!
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vanessabyrne
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Again, thanks and God Bless
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StudentMI
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When I first got my account, I think the max number I could have was 5 or 10. As you are a member for longer, your message limit grows.
Vanessa, I’m sorry if my messages came off a little blunt. I’ve gone through what you’ve went through, about other things. It’s a very sad state to be in, but it’s not what life is really like. I don’t know if you have OCD, or depression or what. But God is not like that. God, to paraphrase a priest I know, is not an ogre waiting to catch you at the right moment and send you to Hell.
I know Catholics always want to view suffering as crosses from God, but you must remember God doesn’t receive pleasure from you being miserable. He doesn’t want you to be miserable. He didn’t create you for that. When I was telling my parish priest about some problems I had, I mentioned St. Francis and how I should imitate him, and he (God bless him) shouted “You’re not St. Francis!” It’s great to read about the saints, and imitate them, but God created you to be you, not them. He doesn’t give you crosses that you can’t bear. So please, stop reading about products, stop telling us about ways you could work around it (I know all about doing that, I’ve been there), and just call your priest, call your doctor. You’ll be helping yourself.
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vanessabyrne
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Thanks so much. Honestly, it’s nice to know I’m not alone and I’m not the only one. Yes, it’s not easy, I’m still confused and upset. Not just on this, but on so many things. It makes me feel like I wish I was younger because I didn’t have these worries, or thoughts, or feelings or problems. I know God will help me and I’ll get there. Recently I went to Our Lady’s Shrine Knock. (before the cruelty free stuff - not the OCD stuff) and there were talks on. Two girls (youth ministers I think they’re called) talked to us about problems they had in their teenage years and how God helped them through them. He has a plan for them just like God has a plan for you and me. It’s not nice feeling like being catholic is some set of rules we must abide by, or that were being judged or whatever. I don’t like thinking of my faith like that either. When I was younger, I found it easier to be at peace. I had more of that childlike trust in God. I still want childlike trust in God. Saint Therese is my confirmation name.
Again, thanks for the help. I suppose I’m being unreasonable putting the entire blame on me, considering it was only recently I gave things like cruelty free a thought.
I’ll learn, Jesus will be with me.
Thanks and God Bless
Again, thanks for the help. I suppose I’m being unreasonable putting the entire blame on me, considering it was only recently I gave things like cruelty free a thought.
I’ll learn, Jesus will be with me.
Thanks and God Bless
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FrancisBenedict
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There is nothing wrong in reading about products with the intention of living more compassionately, if we don’t allow ourselves to get too upset about it, or better still, reading which products are truly cruelty free then choosing to use those instead.
Helping others to live a more compassionate life is helping the whole world when its done with love.
Helping others to live a more compassionate life is helping the whole world when its done with love.
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simpleas
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Yes I got your message, but as your inbox is full I couldn’t answer your other question, you will need to delete messages in your inbox as i think you can only have up to five until you are on here for longer.
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vanessabyrne
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After mass I asked and was told to not waste what I have but to use them and maybe look around for what is cruelty free. I keep getting told about still using what I already have.
I mean, they’re already bought and paid for. They’re not thrown out but there’s still stuff left. Would to have these things already bought and then not use them, but either leave them there or thow them out be bad? Would it be a waste to the animals affected, like their suffering was for nothing since the things are bought but aren’t being used? Would it be alright to still use them even though they may have been tested on animals?
What keep coming to mind is if it’s tested on aborted fetal cells/babies which is even worse. I didn’t hear of any products I own and mentioned using doing this, but I never thought food companies would (apparently) be doing that either. So I keep getting confused and caught.
For a while, I felt okay with using what I have since it won’t go to waste, but then I got a worry in my head if they test immorally on humans. And the “skin ethic engineering organisation” is really left me confused. What’s it all about? Moral or not? Good or not? What’s the Catholic Church’s opinions on this? Any help?
Again, thanks and God Bless
I mean, they’re already bought and paid for. They’re not thrown out but there’s still stuff left. Would to have these things already bought and then not use them, but either leave them there or thow them out be bad? Would it be a waste to the animals affected, like their suffering was for nothing since the things are bought but aren’t being used? Would it be alright to still use them even though they may have been tested on animals?
What keep coming to mind is if it’s tested on aborted fetal cells/babies which is even worse. I didn’t hear of any products I own and mentioned using doing this, but I never thought food companies would (apparently) be doing that either. So I keep getting confused and caught.
For a while, I felt okay with using what I have since it won’t go to waste, but then I got a worry in my head if they test immorally on humans. And the “skin ethic engineering organisation” is really left me confused. What’s it all about? Moral or not? Good or not? What’s the Catholic Church’s opinions on this? Any help?
Again, thanks and God Bless
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StudentMI
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If it worries you that much, throw it out. I don’t think God will be angry. As for worrying about aborted fetal cells and babies used in testing, until you actually see a specific product specifically and definitively proven to do that, don’t worry about it. God will not be angry. What’s more, if it bothers you this much, don’t go looking for more information. A thread a few days asked about Canon Law, and the poster specifically stated they were scrupulous. Several replies stated “if you are scrupulous DO NOT read Canon law.” I think, and this is just an opinion, you shouldn’t read about products any more. What you’ve read you’ve read. No need to read more if it worries you this much. Instead, read Scripture, perhaps. I’m reading St. Matthew Gospel at the moment.
Have you asked your priest about getting help?
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vanessabyrne
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Thanks. So do you think I should use what I already have anyway? Free of animal testing or not? Is it alright to use it? So that the animal’s suffering won’t entirely go to waste? (if that’s okay to say)
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StudentMI
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The Church isn’t entirely against animal testing. The Catechism states that outright cruelty is wrong, but that animals can be used for testing if it benefits humans to a great degree.
Have you asked your priest about getting help?
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vanessabyrne
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I emailed “Essence” and this is what they replied:
Dear Vanessa,
thank you for the interest in our products. We are pleased to answer your question. Yes, it is true that we do not test our products on animals.
Since the autumn of 1998, animal testing for decorative or pampering cosmetic end-products is no longer permitted. Germany is leading the way in Europe with this legislation. We can assure you that cosnova neither conducts testing on animals, nor commissions it to any third parties - not in Germany or anywhere else in the world. We also strongly disapprove of testing on animals with end-products. This is also one of the criteria for the selection of cosnova suppliers as we need to ensure that their products are also produced without testing on animals. *
We do only use substances that are conform with the European and International (f.e. FDA) Cosmetic Law. Their riskiness and safety has been estimated and tested long time ago and is always updated f.a. in the European Cosmetic Regulation according to new scientific data.
There are new alternatives instead of testing the substances on animals. For examples cell culture methods are often used to test the toxicity of a substance. That means that adequate cell lines are cultured in a petri dish and get in contact with the substance of interest. Afterwards different characteristic of the cell, like metabolic rate, cell division or specific metabolized substances were checked to estimate the cell vitality.
We hope we have been able to clarify this issue for you and that you will continue to have lots of fun with our products.
Should you have any further questions or suggestions, please feel free to contact us again at any time. *
Kind regards,
Julia
Julia Schrank
Quality Assurance Manager
staatl. gepr. Lebensmittelchemikerin / Qualified Food Chemist
What do they mean about the cell thing?
Dear Vanessa,
thank you for the interest in our products. We are pleased to answer your question. Yes, it is true that we do not test our products on animals.
Since the autumn of 1998, animal testing for decorative or pampering cosmetic end-products is no longer permitted. Germany is leading the way in Europe with this legislation. We can assure you that cosnova neither conducts testing on animals, nor commissions it to any third parties - not in Germany or anywhere else in the world. We also strongly disapprove of testing on animals with end-products. This is also one of the criteria for the selection of cosnova suppliers as we need to ensure that their products are also produced without testing on animals. *
We do only use substances that are conform with the European and International (f.e. FDA) Cosmetic Law. Their riskiness and safety has been estimated and tested long time ago and is always updated f.a. in the European Cosmetic Regulation according to new scientific data.
There are new alternatives instead of testing the substances on animals. For examples cell culture methods are often used to test the toxicity of a substance. That means that adequate cell lines are cultured in a petri dish and get in contact with the substance of interest. Afterwards different characteristic of the cell, like metabolic rate, cell division or specific metabolized substances were checked to estimate the cell vitality.
We hope we have been able to clarify this issue for you and that you will continue to have lots of fun with our products.
Should you have any further questions or suggestions, please feel free to contact us again at any time. *
Kind regards,
Julia
Julia Schrank
Quality Assurance Manager
staatl. gepr. Lebensmittelchemikerin / Qualified Food Chemist
What do they mean about the cell thing?
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4elise
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A web site that you can find things that have no animal products nor have been tested on animals: www.VeganEssentials.com ----
For many people learning about these things opens them to consider changes in their lives - many of us have made a connection to how animals are treated and our faith - the CCC says:
Respect for the integrity of creation
2415 The seventh commandment enjoins respect for the integrity of creation. Animals, like plants and inanimate beings, are by nature destined for the common good of past, present, and future humanity.195 Use of the mineral, vegetable, and animal resources of the universe cannot be divorced from respect for moral imperatives. Man’s dominion over inanimate and other living beings granted by the Creator is not absolute; it is limited by concern for the quality of life of his neighbor, including generations to come; it requires a religious respect for the integrity of creation.196
2416 Animals are God’s creatures. He surrounds them with his providential care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory.197 Thus men owe them kindness. We should recall the gentleness with which saints like St. Francis of Assisi or St. Philip Neri treated animals.
2417 God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom he created in his own image.198 Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific experimentation on animals is a morally acceptable practice if it remains within reasonable limits and contributes to caring for or saving human lives.
2418** It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly**. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.
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