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Bill Donohue is not a member of the magisterium.
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Peter_J
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Does that make it alright?
You don’t have to answer that, but regardless I’ve recently been reassessing donations to various Catholic organizations … you can possibly guess where the “Catholic League” fits into that.
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Crossbones
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That he’s choosing to support Trump?
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Peter_J
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Yes. Perhaps it was an unfair question – freedom of speech and all that.
But let me just say that he won’t get a dime from me.
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Crossbones
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He’s just a man. He may be trying to interpret Church teaching, but could be doing so incorrectly. I wouldn’t put particular weight in what he has to say on this topic.
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TMC
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Condescension is beneath you.
The Pope and the bishops have teaching authority. Teaching authority is not limited to those bishops that certain posters here choose to quote.
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carpenter383
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I’m surprised that the 5 non negotiables is a new concept to some members here
ewtn.com/vote/voting_faq.htm
politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm
ewtn.com/vote/brief_catechism.htm
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-one.cfm
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-two.cfm
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-three.cfm
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-statements.cfm
ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFPOLIF.HTM
ewtn.com/library/curia/cdfworthycom.htm
lifesitenews.com/news/pope-benedict-xvi-on-what-should-be-the-principal-focus-for-catholic-voters
w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2006/march/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060330_eu-parliamentarians.html
ewtn.com/vote/voting_faq.htm
politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm
ewtn.com/vote/brief_catechism.htm
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-one.cfm
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-two.cfm
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-three.cfm
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-statements.cfm
ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFPOLIF.HTM
ewtn.com/library/curia/cdfworthycom.htm
lifesitenews.com/news/pope-benedict-xvi-on-what-should-be-the-principal-focus-for-catholic-voters
w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2006/march/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060330_eu-parliamentarians.html
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Crossbones
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Not a new concept, but rather one which has been applied to voting outside of Church teaching.
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Peter_J
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Now it’s “the 5 non negotiables”?
P.S. I decided to check out one of your links, but what I found there actually goes against what you’re saying:
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carpenter383
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You should check em all out
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carpenter383
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“We started organizing on the grassroots level last summer,” Athanasopoulos says. “You don’t show up a week before the state assembly and expect to win.” Unfortunately for the Donald, while conservative activists were organizing in Colorado for months, Trump’s campaign never got off the ground.
“Trump is very good at sweeping in on his private plane, holding a huge rally, and winning an open primary, because that’s how his campaign is built,” Athanasopoulos says. “But in Colorado, you have to be there, you have to put in the work, you have to put in the effort, and you have to do it months ahead of time. That’s how you’re successful in Colorado.”
Read more at: nationalreview.com/article/433936/ted-cruz-colorado-republican-caucus-sweep-donald-trump-rejected
“Trump is very good at sweeping in on his private plane, holding a huge rally, and winning an open primary, because that’s how his campaign is built,” Athanasopoulos says. “But in Colorado, you have to be there, you have to put in the work, you have to put in the effort, and you have to do it months ahead of time. That’s how you’re successful in Colorado.”
Read more at: nationalreview.com/article/433936/ted-cruz-colorado-republican-caucus-sweep-donald-trump-rejected
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carpenter383
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And which one would that be? All of these issues fully align with Catholic teaching
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Crossbones
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That these issues take precedence over all other issues. You won’t see non-negotiable in Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship.
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Peter_J
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Peter_J
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Well we’ll see.
Btw I did actually visit a couple of the other links beside the one I quoted from. They didn’t even mention negotiating or any form of that word. 
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carpenter383
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I’m not exactly sure what your question is but if I understand it right you’re asking why the 5 non negotiables do not include those hypothetical issues you mentioned?
If that’s your question it’s simple, The 5 non negotiables address the current most important issues. I’m sure in the future there will be changes to the 5 issues mentioned, it just depends which way our society progresses and how we view human dignity in the future.
These questions are answered in the links above, some of those links have links btw
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carpenter383
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The point is what we cant negotiate on, meaning there are certain principals “set in stone” that we as Catholics hold dear, and will not “make deals” onWell we’ll see.
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Cathoholic
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The term, “the 5 non-negotiables” has to do with a phrase Catholic Answers used several years ago leading up to an election.
It was a list of five hot political topics that were being frequently publicly discussed but were ALSO intrinsic evils (this was not to say these are the ONLY actions that are intrinsically evil).
An intrinsic evil, is an action by which it’s very nature is wrong. Always wrong.
There are NO circumstances or exceptions or conditions where the actions can be acceptable (the culpability may be less for some people than others, but the actions themselves, since they are intrinsically evil, are not appropriate for consideration).
It was a catechetical Catholic information campaign aimed to help us as Catholic voters decide (by analyzing the issues), the best candidate.
They have already been listed here.
It was a list of five hot political topics that were being frequently publicly discussed but were ALSO intrinsic evils (this was not to say these are the ONLY actions that are intrinsically evil).
An intrinsic evil, is an action by which it’s very nature is wrong. Always wrong.
There are NO circumstances or exceptions or conditions where the actions can be acceptable (the culpability may be less for some people than others, but the actions themselves, since they are intrinsically evil, are not appropriate for consideration).
It was a catechetical Catholic information campaign aimed to help us as Catholic voters decide (by analyzing the issues), the best candidate.
They have already been listed here.
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Cathoholic
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Hello Melterboy.
Great humor on your post here.
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The Global Warming Hoax is the proverbial Godzilla of corporate greed. The movement from the top, is heavy on “control” and light on the “environment”.
Most of the Global Warming adherents don’t understand this element. But if you listen to the Warmist leaders they talk pretty openly about the control they want.
That’s what a lot of warmist adherents were complaining about after COP21 failed to produce enforced restrictions. They complained that “there is no TEETH in the agreement.”
The “teeth” is the control aspects that they have outlined elsewhere.
“Big oil” won’t have anything on these guys when they get their way.
POPE FRANCIS Yet it must also be recognized that . . . . Never has humanity had such power over itself, yet nothing ensures that it will be used wisely, particularly when we consider how it is currently being used. . . . . . In whose hands does all this power lie, or will it eventually end up? It is extremely risky for a small part of humanity to have it.—Pope Francis Laudato Si (104)
POPE FRANCIS Caring for ecosystems demands far-sightedness, since no one looking for quick and easy profit is truly interested in their preservation. Pope Francis Laudato Si (36)
Anyway poor lynnvinc already had to put up with the “whole Megillah” from me on this issue before. (see here, here, here, and here for example).
Again, many thanks for the friendly humor.
Great humor on your post here.
I got a belly laugh on that
.The Global Warming Hoax is the proverbial Godzilla of corporate greed. The movement from the top, is heavy on “control” and light on the “environment”.
Most of the Global Warming adherents don’t understand this element. But if you listen to the Warmist leaders they talk pretty openly about the control they want.
That’s what a lot of warmist adherents were complaining about after COP21 failed to produce enforced restrictions. They complained that “there is no TEETH in the agreement.”
The “teeth” is the control aspects that they have outlined elsewhere.
“Big oil” won’t have anything on these guys when they get their way.
POPE FRANCIS Yet it must also be recognized that . . . . Never has humanity had such power over itself, yet nothing ensures that it will be used wisely, particularly when we consider how it is currently being used. . . . . . In whose hands does all this power lie, or will it eventually end up? It is extremely risky for a small part of humanity to have it.—Pope Francis Laudato Si (104)
POPE FRANCIS Caring for ecosystems demands far-sightedness, since no one looking for quick and easy profit is truly interested in their preservation. Pope Francis Laudato Si (36)
Anyway poor lynnvinc already had to put up with the “whole Megillah” from me on this issue before. (see here, here, here, and here for example).
I’ll try to do something adding on the Global Warming Hoax later on this thread, but I want to do it in the context of Senator Cruz so it fits well with the thread.
Again, many thanks for the friendly humor.
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