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queenofheartscv said:
Glenn Beck is a very questionable character.
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Romney isn’t very questionable and has the support of the upper tiers of the LDS church and he has given instructions for people to vote Cruz in Utah and AZ to stop Trump. This, I think, will be taken very seriously by devout LDS.
 
gilliam said:
Romney isn’t very questionable and has the support of the upper tiers of the LDS church and he has given instructions for people to vote Cruz in Utah and AZ to stop Trump. This, I think, will be taken very seriously by devout LDS.
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You may be right. We shall see how much influence Romney has.
 
Ted Cruz is doing excellent at AIPAC: we’d shoot down any Iranian test missiles and so on.
 
BDS movement, Cruz would make sure any college doing these things will not get federal money, BDS is Boycott, Divest and Sanctions against Israel. 👍
 
queenofheartscv said:
You may be right. We shall see how much influence Romney has.
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Probably quite a lot. Mormonism has some peculiar attributes about it, one of them being that thing about how people will become de facto “gods” in the hereafter. It has a certain, but very odd, Calvinistic flavor to it. If one becomes important on earth, has lots of progeny, gives a lot to the Mormon church, one might rule a whole galaxy as its god hereafter. If, however, one is just an ordinary Mormon who gives his service and 10% of a smallish income to the church, he might end up with just one modest planet to rule someday.

And so, it has an element of “success=election” aspect to it. Romney has probably given 10% of everything he ever made to the Mormon church, and that would be a lot. If so, he probably has a high station in it, officially or unofficially, and his word probably means a lot more than we would think. It would be incorrect to compare Mormonism with Shinto, but there is one thing they share to a degree. The higher a Mormon is in the church, the more godlike become his pronouncements. So, for example, the pronouncements of the President of the church become doctrine, and following those precepts is spiritually mandatory in belief and in action.

So, while Romney is not the President of the church, if he’s one of the really high-up guys, his word isn’t law, but it has some aspects of spiritual mandate to it.

That’s not to say Cruz has no other appeal to Mormons. But Romney’s backing should not be underemphasized in its importance.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Probably quite a lot. Mormonism has some peculiar attributes about it, one of them being that thing about how people will become de facto “gods” in the hereafter. It has a certain, but very odd, Calvinistic flavor to it. If one becomes important on earth, has lots of progeny, gives a lot to the Mormon church, one might rule a whole galaxy as its god hereafter. If, however, one is just an ordinary Mormon who gives his service and 10% of a smallish income to the church, he might end up with just one modest planet to rule someday.

And so, it has an element of “success=election” aspect to it. Romney has probably given 10% of everything he ever made to the Mormon church, and that would be a lot. If so, he probably has a high station in it, officially or unofficially, and his word probably means a lot more than we would think. It would be incorrect to compare Mormonism with Shinto, but there is one thing they share to a degree. The higher a Mormon is in the church, the more godlike become his pronouncements. So, for example, the pronouncements of the President of the church become doctrine, and following those precepts is spiritually mandatory in belief and in action.

So, while Romney is not the President of the church, if he’s one of the really high-up guys, his word isn’t law, but it has some aspects of spiritual mandate to it.

That’s not to say Cruz has no other appeal to Mormons. But Romney’s backing should not be underemphasized in its importance.
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I’ll just say the same that I said to TMC when Trump, Romney, and Mormonism came up before:

I’m going to go out on a limb a little here: do you think Trump is actually being very smart about Utah? I.e. that perhaps he saw that his numbers there were too low to give him any chance of winning it, and decided to take an opportunity to rally anti-Romney sentiment in the country as a whole?

For example: on the surface, Trump not only said that he loves Mormons, but complimented them further by suggesting that Romney couldn’t really be one. But looking beneath the surface, the results I expect from Trump’s comments are Mormons feeling usurped and Romney supporters getting defensive that he is “really a Mormon”. I won’t even be surprised if there’s a lot of media coverage of “Is Trump bigoted against Mormons?” which in turn leaves many Americans thinking that Mormons are out to get Trump. (Even going a step further, we could see pro-Hillary Mormons looking to turn it to their advantage.)
 
Peter_J said:
I’ll just say the same that I said to TMC when Trump, Romney, and Mormonism came up before:

I’m going to go out on a limb a little here: do you think Trump is actually being very smart about Utah? I.e. that perhaps he saw that his numbers there were too low to give him any chance of winning it, and decided to take an opportunity to rally anti-Romney sentiment in the country as a whole?

For example: on the surface, Trump not only said that he loves Mormons, but complimented them further by suggesting that Romney couldn’t really be one. But looking beneath the surface, the results I expect from Trump’s comments are Mormons feeling usurped and Romney supporters getting defensive that he is “really a Mormon”. I won’t even be surprised if there’s a lot of media coverage of “Is Trump bigoted against Mormons?” which in turn leaves many Americans thinking that Mormons are out to get Trump. (Even going a step further, we could see pro-Hillary Mormons looking to turn it to their advantage.)
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An interesting theory I wouldn’t dismiss altogether; despite the spontaneous manner of which these things look; Trump has his handlers as they are called. Some of this may be planned.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Probably quite a lot. Mormonism has some peculiar attributes about it, one of them being that thing about how people will become de facto “gods” in the hereafter. It has a certain, but very odd, Calvinistic flavor to it. If one becomes important on earth, has lots of progeny, gives a lot to the Mormon church, one might rule a whole galaxy as its god hereafter. If, however, one is just an ordinary Mormon who gives his service and 10% of a smallish income to the church, he might end up with just one modest planet to rule someday.

And so, it has an element of “success=election” aspect to it. Romney has probably given 10% of everything he ever made to the Mormon church, and that would be a lot. If so, he probably has a high station in it, officially or unofficially, and his word probably means a lot more than we would think. It would be incorrect to compare Mormonism with Shinto, but there is one thing they share to a degree. The higher a Mormon is in the church, the more godlike become his pronouncements. So, for example, the pronouncements of the President of the church become doctrine, and following those precepts is spiritually mandatory in belief and in action.

So, while Romney is not the President of the church, if he’s one of the really high-up guys, his word isn’t law, but it has some aspects of spiritual mandate to it.

That’s not to say Cruz has no other appeal to Mormons. But Romney’s backing should not be underemphasized in its importance.
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Cruz is already projected to win Utah big. I hope he doesn’t go over 50%.
 
Back to the topic of Trus Ted Cruz; it would not stop me from supporting him as he’s basically been my first choice since Governor Walker dropped out but I tend to think Cruz and Walker before, are a bit overboard on support of Israel. This may indeed, be Evangelical.

Walker did it because that is probably how he was told to handle it by his advisors, Cruz does it because that is the way he believes but in both cases, it’s a bit too strong for me. It’s a bit Evangelical. Speaking of which, I’m not sure how Governor Huckabee looked at the subject. Huckabee is actually pretty sharp versus the perception of many to be a sort of country preacher type.
 
I voted for Cruz in the Louisiana primary and he ended up tying Donald Trump in the number of delegates won from my state.

I chose Cruz over Trump because I have seen Cruz’s plan reign in the federal deficit. Cruz has outlined a really positive plan to reduce the federal deficit over five years. I haven’t heard anything substantive like that from Trump.
 
Ted Cruz just called for police patrols in Muslim neighborhoods.
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                                            We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized.[yahoo.com/politics/candidates-on-brussels-attacks-135907927.html](https://www.yahoo.com/politics/candidates-on-brussels-attacks-135907927.html) 

                                           Better watch it Ted, or you're gonna get labeled as a dangerous extreme right wing bigot like you no who.
 
Seamus_L said:
Ted Cruz just called for police patrols in Muslim neighborhoods.

We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized.yahoo.com/politics/candidates-on-brussels-attacks-135907927.html

Better watch it Ted, or you’re gonna get labeled as a dangerous extreme right wing bigot like you no who.
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From the article"
The days of the United States voluntarily surrendering to the enemy to show how progressive and enlightened we can be are at an end. Our country is at stake.

:confused: What days were those? I do not remember us surrendering to ISIS. I don’t think he thought his statement through, or maybe be has some strange view of reality. Maybe he doesn’t know who the enemy is. 🤷

Maybe he will clarify this statement when he realizes how odd it is.
 
pnewton said:
I do not know which is more odd, this site or Glenn Beck. I miss the good old days (which probably never existed) of rational discourse.
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Are you talking about gatewaypundit, or catholic forums?
 
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