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Crossbones said:
The Republicans voters should nominate the candidate that best represents them and so far that is Mr. Trump.
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Are you considering the cross-over votes that Trump got? How many of them will stay with him in the general? I find it hard to believe that Trump is the choice of the majority of Republicans. Certainly not the conservative ones.

Than, again, you know what I think about the electorate. Trump cannot and will not beat Hillary, but you can’t convince the ardent Trump supporters of that. It reminds me of 1994 when Goldwater ran.
 
mary_bobo said:
Hillary is no moderate. Delve into her background a little. The GOP candidate that polls show can beat Hillary is Kasich. The other two would lose to Hillary.
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Hillary is a progressive, by her own admission.

Polls can’t really be counted on. For example, polls showed a tight race between Clinton and Sanders in New York, and Hillary won by a landslide.

I think a Clinton/Kasich race might be close, but I think Clinton would win it hands down. She’d carry all the big states - Pennsylvania, Texas, New York, California. Kasich might come away with only Ohio, and maybe not even that. Ohio is a swing state, and it sometimes goes Democratic. It did for Obama.
 
mary_bobo said:
You are correct, but would be a terrible way to find out. I think we would end up with Hillary who will continue to take us down the road to mediocrity IMO.
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All I can say is, if Kasich supporters and Cruz supporters can’t come together, some how or other, then we’re looking at a Clinton-Trump November. And that’s the last thing I want.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Hillary is a progressive, by her own admission.

Polls can’t really be counted on. For example, polls showed a tight race between Clinton and Sanders in New York, and Hillary won by a landslide.

I think a Clinton/Kasich race might be close, but I think Clinton would win it hands down. She’d carry all the big states - Pennsylvania, Texas, New York, California.
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You forgot to add “But if you nominate Trump, then he can beat Clinton.”

:rolleyes: 😉
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Hillary is a progressive, by her own admission.
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She can call herself a progressive (and in a race against Sanders, she’d likely have to in order to at least appear liberal). But she really isn’t. For liberals, she’s completely moderate, a centrist. It’s really only to those on the right that she appears to be progressive.
 
mary_bobo said:
Are you considering the cross-over votes that Trump got? How many of them will stay with him in the general? I find it hard to believe that Trump is the choice of the majority of Republicans. Certainly not the conservative ones.

Than, again, you know what I think about the electorate. Trump cannot and will not beat Hillary, but you can’t convince the ardent Trump supporters of that. It reminds me of 1994 when Goldwater ran.
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I don’t think Trump got that many crossover voters as he has won a great deal of closed primaries.

I think the only area that Trump doesn’t exceed Cruz are states where delegates are selected by party leaders.

I think there is a more reasonable argument that Cruz cannot be Clinton that Trump supporters would make.

Let’s look at this honestly, Trump is the person that most Republicans feel best represents them.
 
gracepoole said:
She can call herself a progressive (and in a race against Sanders, she’d likely have to in order to at least appear liberal). But she really isn’t. For liberals, she’s completely moderate, a centrist. It’s really only to those on the right that she appears to be progressive.
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She may have some difficulty walking the line between too progressive for moderates and too centrist for the left. I think the latter presents a much bigger problem for her. The Democrats have moved as much to the left under Obama as the right has in its current anti-establishment, conservative talk show wackiness. Clinton has to stay pretty far left on the spectrum to hold the Sanders people, Black Lives Matter, bring on the revolution, etc. I think even Bill Clinton territory is now way too far right, too centrist. This leaves a gap in the center. Whichever side gets the moderate voters (and keeps its base united) will win, simple as that. I expect the general to be much more about Obama - is Clinton another Obama term - the Sanders people want that, the more centrist Democrats, not so much.

I think someone like Kasich could play well, pull center votes from Clinton. Trump is trying to move himself into position to do that without losing his base. But, try as I might, I cannot see the circus that is the Trump campaign going all the way. Cruz might have a shot with a moderate VP, and some major repositioning, but it would be very very tough. The nice thing about Cruz is that he would inspire the base - really get out the conservative vote, which did not happen the last few elections. Given the (admittedly Trump created) huge numbers the GOP has been out voting in, and a moderate VP pick, this might do it.
 
I am officially registered to vote now in California. I do not belong to any party though. That means I won’t be able to vote for Ted Cruz in the California primary since the GOP does not allow non-members to vote in its primary.
 
anon67074017 said:
I am officially registered to vote now in California. I do not belong to any party though. That means I won’t be able to vote for Ted Cruz in the California primary since the GOP does not allow non-members to vote in its primary.
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Is there a reason you didn’t register as a Republican?
 
Peter_J said:
You forgot to add “But if you nominate Trump, then he can beat Clinton.”

:rolleyes: 😉
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I don’t think he can. I think it would be close, but I think Clinton would emerge the winner. And, if Trump moves to the center as he appears to be doing, he will lose much of his base.
 
Darryl1958 said:
It is not as if choosing Trump would not also have as high, or even higher probability of a Clinton victory.

The numbers already rule anyone else out, so those are the choices.

It is a good time for conservatives to rally around the conservative choice.
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I agree that conservatives should rally behind Cruz since he is the only conservative currently in the running. The best contest between ideologies would be between Cruz and Sanders, but Cruz vs. Clinton will suffice.

Still, Trump against Clinton would be most exciting for the political junkies.
 
People who look to politics to give them their jollies would be better served by subscribing to Netflix and cheering on Frank and Claire Underwood in their House of Cards.
 
Darryl1958 said:
People who look to politics to give them their jollies would be better served by subscribing to Netflix and cheering on Frank and Claire Underwood in their House of Cards.
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Doesn’t work. Political junkies demand the real thing in real time.
 
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