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Darryl1958 said:
People either vote for Democrat because they agree with that position on abortion, or because they just don’t much care.

What is absurd is to listen to people rant on how much women who abort are murderers who must be punished, whilst throwing their support to Democrats, the party that ensures the widest possible access to abortion, and whose election platform is that to oppose abortion is to wage a war on women.
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I vote Democratic because I like everything in their platform. I don’t agree with abortion, but believe it’s a states’ rights issue.\

And, as I just posted, abortion declined 13% under Obama, a Democrat. It always rises under Republican presidents.
 
meltzerboy said:
Do Democratic politicians abide by their party’s platform? Do many of them even know what is in it? I think you give them too much credit.
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You’re right, many of them do not abide by their party’s platform. At least not in every instance.
 
Tomdstone said:
I don’t see why that is relevant to anything.
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Thank you !!!

My opposition to abortion (particularly, in America, abortion on demand) isn’t based on my belief in God or the soul.

I would challenge anyone here, the next time your in court, to attempt to argue your case based on challenging the existence of your opponent’s soul. How effective would that be in any actual court of law?
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I vote Democratic because I like everything in their platform. I don’t agree with abortion, but believe it’s a states’ rights issue.\

And, as I just posted, abortion declined 13% under Obama, a Democrat. It always rises under Republican presidents.
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You are wrong on your claim that abortion “always rises under Republican presidents.” Abortion declined per article by Michael, 8.1% from 2000-2005, per Guttmacher Institute statistics, under the last Republican President, George W. Bush.
 
Peter_J said:
But the thing is, not all disagreements are equal. E.g. I imagine there are many things I could find on which I disagree with John Kasich, but none of them are comparable to someone like HRC who supports a abortion on demand.
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So you keep saying that voting for a democrat means that you the voter agree with their abortion stance. I don’t agree with that, and I would even challenge people to go to every state and speak to everyone who votes democrat, that not every single one of them agrees with the democrat position of abortion.
 
Darryl1958 said:
People either vote for Democrat because they agree with that position on abortion, or because they just don’t much care.

What is absurd is to listen to people rant on how much women who abort are murderers who must be punished, whilst throwing their support to Democrats, the party that ensures the widest possible access to abortion, and whose election platform is that to oppose abortion is to wage a war on women.
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Lily_Bernans said:
I vote Democratic because I like everything in their platform. I don’t agree with abortion, but believe it’s a states’ rights issue.\

And, as I just posted, abortion declined 13% under Obama, a Democrat. It always rises under Republican presidents.
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What Is it in their platform, per the teachings of the church, that mitigates their support of unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortion on demand and homosexual marriage .? Please give us links backing up any assertion that these issues ( if you can indeed name any )are proportionate enough to allow Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion canidate
 
estesbob said:
What Is it in their platform, per the teachings of the church, that mitigates their support of unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortion on demand and homosexual marriage .? Please give us links backing up any assertion that these issues ( if you can indeed name any )are proportionate enough to allow Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion canidate
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We’ve been over this 100 times on these threads.

We wouldn’t need a voting guide if we had to vote for an anti-abortion candidate only. All we’d need would be, “You can only vote for an anti-abortion candidate.” No one has ever said that.
 
Peter_J said:
Seriously? When did I even once say that??
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Look at my response to your post, my post was #1112, your saying voting for HRC is voting for abortion on demand.

So is voting for Trump a vote for racism, sexism, egocentric, etc, etc, etc? I believe the church doesn’t approve of that either.
 
chero23 said:
Look at my response to your post, my post was #1112, your saying voting for HRC is voting for abortion on demand.

So is voting for Trump a vote for racism, sexism, egocentric, etc, etc, etc? I believe the church doesn’t approve of that either.
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And xenophobia. Remember Trump’s wall that he’s going to make Mexico pay for!
 
Lily_Bernans said:
We’ve been over this 100 times on these threads.

We wouldn’t need a voting guide if we had to vote for an anti-abortion candidate only. All we’d need would be, “You can only vote for an anti-abortion candidate.” No one has ever said that.
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:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
 
Lily_Bernans said:
And xenophobia. Remember Trump’s wall that he’s going to make Mexico pay for!
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But people here will support him bc he has a (R) in front of his name.

Don’t you dare attack a Republican on these forums they will say.

Oh oh they will attack a Republican when they try to do some immigration reform, but everything else, the Republicans are just caught up bc of the “liberal system”.

Please guys, Cry me a River
 
estesbob said:
What Is it in their platform, per the teachings of the church, that mitigates their support of unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortion on demand and homosexual marriage .? Please give us links backing up any assertion that these issues ( if you can indeed name any )are proportionate enough to allow Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion canidate
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Your patience is amazing, Bob! It really is.
 
chero23 said:
Don’t you dare attack a Republican on these forums they will say.
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Supposing that were a policy, how fast do you think Donald Trump would get himself kicked off (assuming he came on here of course)? I don’t think there’s anyone living who has gone after the GOP like he has.
 
chero23 said:
Look at my response to your post, my post was #1112, your saying voting for HRC is voting for abortion on demand.

So is voting for Trump a vote for racism, sexism, egocentric, etc, etc, etc? I believe the church doesn’t approve of that either.
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Seven days from now, I’ll be casting my vote for Ted Cruz – well, or conceivably John Kasich, but certainly not Donald Trump.

But that aside, I never said that voting for a democrat means that the voter agrees with their abortion stance.
 
Peter_J said:
But that aside, I never said that voting for a democrat means that the voter agrees with their abortion stance.
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But it does mean at least accepting that stance, and acceptance of personally supporting it, and with no proportionate reason to do it. It’s just wrong, but some will do it anyway.

And for what? So Bernie Sanders can accomplish nothing as president or Hillary Clinton can make a lot of money serving big business, even to the point perhaps of getting the country into another war like she did in Libya?
 
estesbob said:
What Is it in their platform, per the teachings of the church, that mitigates their support of unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortion on demand and homosexual marriage .? Please give us links backing up any assertion that these issues ( if you can indeed name any )are proportionate enough to allow Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion canidate
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Well, apparently Cruz is the only one that agrees with the Republican platform when it comes to abortion. Everyone else is in favor of abortion in limited situations.

Is that what you mean when you say can vote for the other two Republican candidates? Even though they don’t agree with the party, they are ok?
 
sallybutler said:
Is that what you mean when you say can vote for the other two Republican candidates?
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This wasn’t directed at me, but if you mean the other two other than Donald Trump, then I would say right on. If we don’t nominate one of them (Cruz or Kasich) then we’ll be looking at Trump, Clinton, or Sanders being president, which I consider an unacceptable choice to be faced with.
 
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