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I have asked this question many times and never gotten an answer…

Why hasn’t the LDS Church excavated the Hill Cumorah in New York? The Book of Mormon is clear that great battles occurred on Hill Cumorah. Mormons have spent a ton of money excavting in Central and South America where the hoped to find Book of Mormon lands but have spent ZERO excavating the ONE PLACE they know is from the Book of Mormon.

Thousands and thousands of people died in these battles at Hill Cumorah. Excavating could actually prove Joseph Smith correct…give the Book of Mormon some credibility…

So why no excavation?

Apostle Orson Pratt was clear that those great battles occurred at Hill Cunorah in New York…
Journal of Discourses
Volume 14; Orson Pratt; 1872/02/11411
The great and last battle, in which several hundred thousand Nephites perished was on the hill Cumorah, the same hill from which the plates were taken by Joseph Smith, the boy about whom I spoke to you the other evening."

Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith admitted that Hill Cumorah in New York was the exact same hill where the battles were fought in the Book of Mormon…he even says Joseph Smith himself said they were the same hill…
"it must be conceded that this description fits perfectly the land of Cumorah
in New York, as it has been known since the visitation of Moroni to the
Prophet Joseph Smith, for the hill is in the proximity of the Great Lakes
and also in the land of many rivers and fountains. Moreover, the Prophet
Joseph Smith himself is on record, definitely declaring the present hill
called Cumorah to be the exact hill spoken of in the Book of Mormon.(Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of
Salvation , Vol.3, Bookcraft, 1956, pp. 232-243)

So why no excavation? They own the land…excavating it would be easy.

Could it be because they KNOW the Book of Mormon is fake and that they will find nothing there?

Why else would they refuse to excavate there?
 
I was in the Hill Cumorah Pageant for a few years back in the 80’s. Nice little hill back then.

Heard the the LDS Church built a visitor center there and everything. What is it with having to build build build temples and visitors centers ad nauseum everywhere??? and disrupt the creative beauty of nature?
 
Marie5890 said:
I was in the Hill Cumorah Pageant for a few years back in the 80’s. Nice little hill back then.

Heard the the LDS Church built a visitor center there and everything. What is it with having to build build build temples and visitors centers ad nauseum everywhere??? and disrupt the creative beauty of nature?
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Smoke and mirrors. Unfortunately, thats all it is.
 
When I was still LDS my answer would have been that the Hill Cumorah in New York is not the same Cumorah at which the battle took place.
 
truthseeker32 said:
When I was still LDS my answer would have been that the Hill Cumorah in New York is not the same Cumorah at which the battle took place.
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Well, when I was in the pageant, (80’s) the talks that were given by the area president and others to the cast always talked about how the hill WAS THE hill Cumorah. Both were the final battle took place as told by Moroni, and where Smith found the golden plates (given the dimentions he gave about the plates, isnt it estimated the they would have weighed a great deal?)

Back then, there was no confusion as to where the hill Cumorah was in the eyes of the church, both lay and ecclesial leadership.

Of course, that has all changed now, now that it clearly is not what it was purported to be back then.

Ah, Mormonism. 🤷
 
truthseeker32 said:
When I was still LDS my answer would have been that the Hill Cumorah in New York is not the same Cumorah at which the battle took place.
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I’ve said this before…

LDS church needs to stop sending out missionaries…trying recruit to people one person at a time.

They need to evacuate this hill, show the world that the BoM is true. They could convert the entire world.

They don’t…the reason is: there is nothing there to evacuate.

The LDS leadership knows this…

They know the BoM is not true.

By not telling the truth, they are telling a lie…continuing to mis-lead their flock that the BoM is true.

They will have to answer to Christ at the end of the age for misleading his flock.
 
Porknpie said:
I’ve said this before…

LDS church needs to stop sending out missionaries…trying recruit to people one person at a time.

They need to evacuate this hill, show the world that the BoM is true. They could convert the entire world.

They don’t…the reason is: there is nothing there to evacuate.

The LDS leadership knows this…

They know the BoM is not true.

By not telling the truth, they are telling a lie…continuing to mis-lead their flock that the BoM is true.

They will have to answer to Christ at the end of the age for misleading his flock.
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I am going to take up the role of devil’s advocate.

Imagine that tomorrow there was a news story about an archaeological excavation that found millions of skeletons, steel weapons, chariots, horse bones, etc. all dating back to the 4th century in the Yucatan area of Mexico. Upon further investigation they found that the records of these people indicated that they believed in the god of Israel. This would likely send people flocking to the LDS faith. They wouldn’t be able to reasonably doubt that the Book of Mormon is true with such evidence. After such a finding the only question would be which Mormon denomination to join. Perhaps God, from a Mormon perspective of course, hides such evidence because he wants people to believe in him based upon faith, not upon empirical knowledge.
 
truthseeker32 said:
I am going to take up the role of devil’s advocate.

Imagine that tomorrow there was a news story about an archaeological excavation that found millions of skeletons, steel weapons, chariots, horse bones, etc. all dating back to the 4th century in the Yucatan area of Mexico. Upon further investigation they found that the records of these people indicated that they believed in the god of Israel. This would likely send people flocking to the LDS faith. They wouldn’t be able to reasonably doubt that the Book of Mormon is true with such evidence. After such a finding the only question would be which Mormon denomination to join. Perhaps God, from a Mormon perspective of course, hides such evidence because he wants people to believe in him based upon faith, not upon empirical knowledge.
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That sounds like a god of head games to me. Wouldnt want to worship such a god.
 
truthseeker32 said:
I am going to take up the role of devil’s advocate.

Imagine that tomorrow there was a news story about an archaeological excavation that found millions of skeletons, steel weapons, chariots, horse bones, etc. all dating back to the 4th century in the Yucatan area of Mexico. Upon further investigation they found that the records of these people indicated that they believed in the god of Israel. This would likely send people flocking to the LDS faith. They wouldn’t be able to reasonably doubt that the Book of Mormon is true with such evidence. After such a finding the only question would be which Mormon denomination to join. Perhaps God, from a Mormon perspective of course, hides such evidence because he wants people to believe in him based upon faith, not upon empirical knowledge.
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You hear this sort of reasoning a lot in Mormon circles
 
truthseeker32 said:
I am going to take up the role of devil’s advocate.

Imagine that tomorrow there was a news story about an archaeological excavation that found millions of skeletons, steel weapons, chariots, horse bones, etc. all dating back to the 4th century in the Yucatan area of Mexico. Upon further investigation they found that the records of these people indicated that they believed in the god of Israel. This would likely send people flocking to the LDS faith. They wouldn’t be able to reasonably doubt that the Book of Mormon is true with such evidence. After such a finding the only question would be which Mormon denomination to join. Perhaps God, from a Mormon perspective of course, hides such evidence because he wants people to believe in him based upon faith, not upon empirical knowledge.
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Why would God do that? We can certainly visit the places mentioned in the Bible. Why did they not disappear as well? The reason is because we are dealing with reality. If the stories in the Bible are true then they really happened somewhere at some time. We can walk the streets of Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Nazareth, Galilee. We can go to the hill where Jesus was crucified. We can go to the tomb from which he rose. We can trace the route of the Jews fleeing from Egypt. Its all there. Its all there because it is true.

Not so for the stories in the Book of Mormon. There is not even scant evidence of any civilization described in the Book of Mormon. Absolutely zero. It is truly amazing to me that a person using reason as a part of his decision making process could ever conclude that this book is anything but fiction. The refusal to excavate Cumorah describes a people very doubtfull of success and absolutely frightened at the most probable outcome; that they find absolutely nothing.
 
truthseeker32 said:
When I was still LDS my answer would have been that the Hill Cumorah in New York is not the same Cumorah at which the battle took place.
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yes…and that is an answer they give now.

And that might work had not Joe and other prophets claimed it IS the same hill.
 
truthseeker32 said:
I am going to take up the role of devil’s advocate.

Imagine that tomorrow there was a news story about an archaeological excavation that found millions of skeletons, steel weapons, chariots, horse bones, etc. all dating back to the 4th century in the Yucatan area of Mexico. Upon further investigation they found that the records of these people indicated that they believed in the god of Israel. This would likely send people flocking to the LDS faith. They wouldn’t be able to reasonably doubt that the Book of Mormon is true with such evidence. After such a finding the only question would be which Mormon denomination to join. Perhaps God, from a Mormon perspective of course, hides such evidence because he wants people to believe in him based upon faith, not upon empirical knowledge.
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Then why leave Jerusalem standing? Or bethlehem? Or other evidences we have that support the historicity of the Bible?
 
TexanKnight said:
And that might work had not Joe and other prophets claimed it IS the same hill.
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Emphasizing, that in LDS circle’s, it’s Joseph “THE prophet” of the last dispensation. You know, the one, the chose one, to “restore” the Gospel.

“Prophet” joseph smith got it wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

But I will at least give Smith this much. I knew he was wrong.
 
I have been to Cumorah three times. Once to watch the pageant.

I was told by all the missionaries there that this Cumorah was the one from the Book of Mormon.
 
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