Cuomo rejects independent investigation of nursing home coronavirus deaths as political

[Cathoholic]

I have no idea WHY Andrew Cuomo would issue an order to put infected elderly corona virus patients INTO (!) nursing homes.

But if Andrew has his way, I won’t be able to find out WHY either.

Cuomo ignores other Democrats and victims families and pretends this is merely a Republican political ploy.

ANDREW CUOMO

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Cuomo rejects independent investigation of nursing home coronavirus deaths as political​

‘I think you’d have to be blind to realize it’s not political,’ he said​

By Brooke Singman | Fox News

. . . Cuomo, during a press conference Monday, said he “wouldn’t do an investigation” into the nursing home deaths during the coronavirus pandemic in the state of New York.

“I wouldn’t do an investigation whether or not it’s political, everybody can make that decision for themselves,” Cuomo said. “I think you’d have to be blind to realize it’s not political.” . . .

Cuomo rejects independent investigation of nursing home coronavirus deaths as political

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Monday said “you’d have to be blind” to think calls to further calls to investigate the coronavirus deaths linked to state nursing homes amid the pandemic are “not political.”

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[Cathoholic]

Janice Dean, who lost in-laws to coronavirus, says she was pulled from testifying at hearings on NY nursing home deaths​

Dean thinks Gov. Cuomo or his administration ‘decided that they didn’t want my voice to be heard’​

By Talia Kaplan

Fox News senior meteorologist Janice Dean, whose in-laws died in New York elder care facilities from COVID-19, speaks out . . . after being excluded from testifying in Albany.

Fox News senior meteorologist Janice Dean . . . on Monday that she was taken off the list to testify . . .

. . . “I was supposed to be on the list,” Dean said on Monday.

“I actually filled out all the paperwork . . . I have several emails saying that that was happening.” . .

. . . However, Byrne said that on Friday he got an email from Gottfried where the Assembly Health Committee chair wrote, “I have been told that ‘The Senate is not comfortable including her on the witness list, so we will not be including her to testify.’” . . .

. . . Members of the Democratic-led legislature have been holding hearings geared at understanding why and how the pandemic took root in New York nursing homes after the state Department of Health reported nearly 6,600 residents, who had or likely had COVID-19, died at nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

The state hasn’t disclosed how many nursing home residents died at hospitals or how many have been infected with COVID-19.

. . . State Health Commissioner . . . declined to provide key data points sought by Democrats and Republicans, including a rough estimate of how many nursing home residents have died in hospitals . . .

. . . She said that “we didn’t find out he had coronavirus until the death certificate.”

Dean went on to say that her husband’s mother “contracted coronavirus in her assisted living facility and was transported to the hospital and died in the hospital.” Her mother-in-law died on April 14, about two weeks after her father-in-law passed away from the novel coronavirus.

Dean joins many New Yorkers whose loved ones have died at nursing homes amid the pandemic. Last week they called for an independent investigation into whether nursing homes kept coronavirus patients separated, had enough employees, tracked workers who worked at multiple health care facilities and provided staffers with adequate protective gear. . . .

. . . After mounting criticism that the policy put the most vulnerable people at risk and contributed to a high number of fatalities, New York reversed couon May 10. Now hospitals can only send patients who have tested negative for COVID-19 to nursing homes.

Cuomo and his administration have been tight-lipped about the extent of deaths and infections at the state’s more than 600 nursing homes since March and Cuomo declined to admit any missteps.

During a press conference Monday, Cuomo said he “wouldn’t do an investigation” into the nursing home deaths . . .

Janice Dean, who lost in-laws to coronavirus, says she was pulled from testifying at hearings on NY nursing home deaths

Fox News senior meteorologist Janice Dean, who recently lost her elderly in-laws to COVID-19, told the “Brian Kilmeade Show” on Monday that she was taken off the list to testify at a hearing geared at understanding why and how the pandemic took root in New York nursing homes.

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http://video.foxnews.com/v/6179865739001

Janice Dean: Cuomo administration doesn't want my voice heard on NY nursing home deaths | Fox News Video

Fox News senior meteorologist Janice Dean, whose in-laws died in New York elder care facilities from COVID-19, speaks out on 'The Brian Kilmeade Show' after being excluded from testifying in Albany.

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[JanR]

Cuomo has a lot to answer for. He knows he’ll be in deep trouble if this is properly investigated. Then again, maybe not. Rarely are Democrat leaders held accountable these days for any sort of wrongdoing. It will get swept under the rug, – or some lame excuse will be made for his actions. Yep. Blame it, ever so conveniently, on politics.

He’ll have a higher power to answer to, someday, and won’t be able to wiggle out of his responsibility for it.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

I have no idea WHY Andrew Cuomo would issue an order to put infected elderly corona virus patients INTO (!) nursing homes.

I guess you forgot when I explained it a few weeks ago. It was because he feared that leaving them in the hospital would overwhelm the capacity of the hospital for the coming wave of new patients and they would have to turn new patients away. It turns out his projection was not accurate and hospital capacity was not overwhelmed, but that is the nature of projections of the future. There is no dark motive here. We don’t prosecute people for making inaccurate projections.

 

[Cathoholic]

LeafByNiggle . . .

I guess you forgot when I explained it a few weeks ago. It was because he feared that leaving them in the hospital would overwhelm the capacity of the hospital. . . .

I guess you forgot when I explained it a few weeks ago. I personally know someone who worked in a makeshift “overflow hospital”.

They had no patients.

They were the proverbial Maytag repairmen.

They were not close to being overloaded.

President Trump ALSO had a naval hospital ship to help with possible overflow. Almost just as slow there too.

It turns out his (Andrew Cuomo’s projection was not accurate)

You can say that again.

His “experts” told him the wrong thing. Just like he got the ventilator need wrong too.

Fortunately President Trump gave him better information. Even publicly.

Unfortunately Cuomo rejected it (for reasons we still do not know. Even when we act like we know) and many patients died because of it.

Fortunately most other governors did not make these mistakes. Even with that, the bulk of people dying from corona virus (by far) are the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions yet death was much more pervasive in New York (from their Cuomo-augmented LTCF fiasco).

The other thing is, your “explanation” is no excuse for continued hiding from New York of Cuomo’s death numbers. (For reasons outlined in the OP article.)

Hospitals STILL could conceivably be overwhelmed as this second wave is now underway.

Using “Cuomo-logic” do you think they should NOW RE-START putting corona virus INFECTED patients INTO & back INTO LTCFs Leaf??

It was a colossally dumb decision of his.

I think you should just admit it. More importantly, I think Cuomo should own up to the obvious too. And then explain ALL of the “WHY” that such an inappropriate decision was undertaken via an investigation.

 

[1cthlctrth]

This nursing home disaster is on you, Gov. Cuomo: Goodwin

On Tuesday, Cuomo was asked about a report from the Associated Press that his team had added more than 1,700 deaths to the count of those who died in nursing homes, bringing the total to at least 4…

nypost.com

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo was asked about a report from the Associated Press that his team had added more than 1,700 deaths to the count of those who died in nursing homes, bringing the total to at least 4,813.

The March 25 order that forced infected patients on them allows for no exceptions and has not been changed.
The killer fifth paragraph still reads: “No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission.”

 

[LeafByNiggle]

The March 25 order that forced infected patients on them allows for no exceptions and has not been changed.
The killer fifth paragraph still reads: “No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission.”

The March 25th order has been changed. I think you are confusing two different rules.

One rule, that allowed hospitals to release patients to nursing homes regardless of covid status was rescinded two weeks after it went into effect. It is no longer in effect. Now hospitals may not send covid patients to nursing homes unless they test negative for covid-19.

The other rule that is still in effect prohibits nursing homes from refusing admission or readmission based on past covid status. That is common sense rule. If a patient has recovered from covid-19, it would be inappropriate to keep them in a hospital indefinitely. They don’t need hospitalization. But many of them are to infirm in other ways to be cared for at home. Therefore they cannot be sent home. So if this rule were not in effect, there might be nowhere at all for them to go. That is not a good thing!

Long term care facilities may not refuse ex-covid patients who have nowhere else to go. The CDC has established best practices for providing for covid-19 here.

 

[Cathoholic]

Leaf.

Using “Cuomo-logic” do you think they should
NOW RE-START putting corona virus INFECTED patients
INTO & back INTO nursing homes and other LTCFs
just in case the hospitals get overwhelmed now with the second wave??

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Only if they are definitely tested as covid-negative. Using Cathoholic logic, do you think such patients should be kept in the hospital indefinitely after they have recovered?

 

[Cathoholic]

LeafByNiggle setting up a non-existent straw man (my example on the other hand already really happened with Cuomo). . .

Using Cathoholic logic, do you think such patients should be kept in the hospital indefinitely after they have recovered?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

It is not an argument. It is a question that Cathoholic did not answer. I wonder why?

 

[Cathoholic]

LeafbyNiggle . . . .

It is a question that Cathoholic did not answer. I wonder why?

Because it is a ridiculous scenario.

I never said that patients should be kept in the hospital indefinitely.

Why should I answer such shenanigans?

Cuomo had the formula there.
He could have sent them to special hospitals that were set up for among other things, just this purpose!

But he didn’t.

He chose the way of death (for others).

It was obvious even at that time. Even people here on CAF could see that and were criticising Cuomo and these ridiculous decisions that resulted in the deaths of thousands of people!

Why not just admit the obvious?

Why not just admit Cuomo blew it big time?
(And still so far, nobody knows WHY).

 

[Cathoholic]

Cuomo refused to utilize these special hospitals and people want to know WHY these senseless deaths were virtually mandated by Cuomo!

Steve Scalise: New York Families Asked Me to Get Coronavirus Data Hidden by Andrew Cuomo​

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ROBERT KRAYCHIK

14 Aug 2020

Rep. Steve Scalise (D-LA) said New York families who had loved ones die from coronavirus are contacting his office for help obtaining information from Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-NY) related to nursing home deaths, offering his comments on Friday’s edition of SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Daily with host Alex Marlow.

Cuomo neglected to use assets made available to him by the Trump administration as part of New York’s coronavirus response . . .

Steve Scalise: New York Families Asked Me to Get State Coronavirus Data

Steve Scalise said New York families who lost loved ones to COVID-19 want his help to get data from Andrew Cuomo on nursing home deaths.

www.breitbart.com

 

[YADA]

He could have sent them to the Javits Center or the Naval Hospital ship that he asked for and Trump sent at great expense and in record time … which sat basically unused … I believe he could have used the Samaritans Purse Hospital in Central Park or explored even more alternatives … but alas - he did not … the man asked for hospital beds from the Federal government - they were delivered and then the man failed to use them -

That is a failure in leadership, a failure in common sense and a failure in every metric you can think of … Andrew Cuomo failed the people of New York - Big Time Failure in the Big Apple and the rest of New York

 

[Cathoholic]

YADA . . .

could have used the Samaritans Purse Hospital in Central Park or explored even more alternatives … but alas - he did not … the man asked for hospital beds from the Federal government - they were delivered and then the man failed to use them. . . .

Great points.

If I recall correctly, Cuomo was kicking out some of the Christians who were in Central Park too. I think it was for being . . . Christian (although he wouldn’t put it that way) again if I recall correctly.

 

[YADA]

Yes … NYC asked them to leave and fought them being there and then said they were going to tax the wages of the doctors and nurses that went to help New York - but not even just the income while they actually were working in NY . but everything they earned for the whole year even outside of New York … not sure how that will end - I just remember a news story and the people being shocked!

 

[YADA]

Cuomo failed to use beds that were provided and also did not effectively and efficiently utilize the people that came to staff those temporary medical facilities - but will tax them for their wages

https://www.wkbw.com/news/national/...mic-have-to-pay-state-income-taxes-cuomo-says

 

[old_man_chris]

So would many with a comparable amount of blood on their hands

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafbyNiggle . . . .

It is a question that Cathoholic did not answer. I wonder why?

Those hospitals would not have taken fully recovered covid-negative patients.

 

[YADA]

Those hospitals would not have taken fully recovered covid-negative patients.

And you know this for a fact? I have never seen this … and I do not believe it … proof?

In fact - the Javits Center and the Naval hospital ship were originally slated to take and care for non Covid patients to provide on going non Covid medical care and keep the NY hospitals from being overwhelmed and freeing beds for Covid patients … THEN BOTH were converted quickly and at expense to take Covid patients at Cuomo’s [and presumably the NJ governor and Bloomberg] request … went unused in both scenarios…

Cuomo failed - he failed in every respect for the covid response … he failed when after the last pandemic in preparing for the next one when NY was informed they needed 16k ventilators stockpiled and failed to procure them - even selling the 500 they already had in their stockpile.

The federal government is not the primary agent in a pandemic - the state and local governments are … Cuomo failed - his failure was mitigated by the federal government response, the state of Oregon and even the private charity Samaritans Purse …it is sad for NY to be so poorly prepared and to have a governor who is so full of himself while being a failure