Cuomo rejects independent investigation of nursing home coronavirus deaths as political

[LeafByNiggle]

Those hospitals would not have taken fully recovered covid-negative patients.
And you know this for a fact?

It is common sense. Hospitals, especially temporary ones, do not take perfectly healthy patients whose only distinguishing characteristic that they use to be sick.

In fact - the Javits Center and the Naval hospital ship were originally slated to take and care for non Covid patients…

Yes, patients with real non-covid problems - not fully recovered ex-patients. They are not a long-term care facility.

The federal government is not the primary agent in a pandemic - the state and local governments are…

In all the nations with successful record of dealing with this pandemic, their national government set an unambiguous policy and followed it.

It is sad for NY to be so poorly prepared…

NY’s failure was it’s unlucky privilege of being the first densely-populated state to get infected by international travel before the medical community knew as much as they know now. No state was prepared, but other states were not tested in this way until they got to learn from New York and New Jersey’s experience. And New York learned from their mistakes, and now they are a model of how to handle the virus properly. Meanwhile, states like Florida who now have the full benefit of the latest medical knowledge, and the opportunity to prepare better, have nevertheless failed to take advantage of their delayed entry into this pandemic. Florida has dithered on its public health policy, and have been experiencing a surge they never should have had.

 

[YADA]

YOu forget Washington State had international travel and Covid rampant through nuring facility - before NY and long before Cuomo sent recovering Covid patients to nursing homes … and if they were 100% well … there was no reason to send them to nursing homes as not all of them were even elderly … sadly we know this from the young man who brutally beat up a resident in a nursing home after being housed there …

So you can try all you want to mitigate Cuomo’s failures - but they are real . and since there were plenty of unused beds at the Javits Center - and these people needed housed somewhere for whatever reason - I am sure - at his request - they could easily have been accommodated at Javits … instead all of that expense - the initial USACOE set up and remake to take Covid patients was costly - and wasted by Cuomo …

States like Florida are handling the pandemic better and they early on took a different tact.

And many states hit early on have done a far better than NY … because instead of politicizing and grandstanding with snipes at Trump in February and March they began a plan and worked to handle the hot spots … they were not out there bragging about their preparedness and how people should go to dinner, plays, movies and ride mass transit because Trump is xenophobic and in general orange man bad …literally they reported in publicized news statements that NY was ready - no place better prepared to handle any pandemic and the citizens should continue to go about their lives as normal.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

YOu forget Washington State had international travel and Covid rampant through nuring facility - before NY

Washington State does not get nearly the amount of international travel that New York gets, especially from Europe, where the most virulent strain developed.

and if they were 100% well … there was no reason to send them to nursing homes as not all of them were even elderly

People need to go the nursing homes for other reasons besides being elderly. It is not common, but younger people do develop medical conditions that require long-term care. And if they don’t need long term care, they can just go home. The only ones being sent to nursing homes (after the revised order) are people who need such care for other reasons.

States like Florida are handling the pandemic better and they early on took a different tact.

Not right now they aren’t.

And many states hit early on have done a far better than NY

Other states were not “hit early” with a population density comparable to New York.

 

[Zzyzx_Road]

One more, @LeafByNiggle. We already knew by March 15 that we needed to get a handle on the long term care facilities. How did we know this? We knew this via the Washington state care facility experience waaay back in February. It was nationwide news at that time, but maybe in your need to exonerate Cuomo, you conveniently forgot that.

Not only were the Washington state long term care facilities in trouble, so were the ones in Italy. That one was in the news beginning in mid to late February and was raging through the Italian LTCFs at that time. In fact, nearly all of Italy’s hospital overloading came from their LTCFs. But it seems you have long since forgotten that one too. Conveniently.,

We knew this by March 15. There is no way anyone closely following the news could not have known this by March 15. If we all knew it, then most certainly Cuomo knew it too. And for reasons he doesn’t ever want to explain, he disregarded the signs.

But they did that order on March 25. At least four other states executed similar orders. The CDC guidelines said send the Covid infected patients back only if they can be isolated into a separate wing or separate floor set aside for Covid care. But Cuomo sent them back without regard for this factor.

This is the biggest difference between the way NY and NJ handled it and the way FL did. FL leadership saw the crisis for what it was and resolved to get their own LTCF’s under control so that they would not overload the hospitals. So far they have largely succeeded.

Cuomo had the facilities available to him to figure this out better than he did. That he did not use them is firmly on him.

March 15, Leaf. Stop gaslighting us.

 

[YADA]

Your defense of your failure of a governor is so sweet … he is still a failure.

California has many locales with high density and international travel … they also have high numbers and they like Oregon Washington Arizona New Mexico Texas and other high locations for illegal entry by foreigners are dealing with that now … In Oregon - which has done an excellent job [though I dont think every aspect of the Governors response is appropriate] - the illegal alien population is a source for much of our recent increase in cases … they dont say that of course …But reading news reports on immigration - illegal entry is on the rise nationally in recent months and many that are detained are testing positive for Covid. When Oregon posts the demographics of Covid by race - Hispanics account for about 40% coupled with geographic hot spot localities and work places by industry - the infection hot spots tell the tale. It is similar in Arizona where my sister lives and Texas where I have friends.

You are correct that NY gets a great deal of international flights - but then they also wasted February and March and had a failed Nursing home policy … which accounts for most of the deaths

And this

People need to go the nursing homes for other reasons besides being elderly. It is not common, but younger people do develop medical conditions that require long-term care. And if they don’t need long term care, they can just go home. The only ones being sent to nursing homes (after the revised order) are people who need such care for other reasons.

Is why Coumo could have used [at least asked to use] the Javits Center instead of sending people who were obviously still spreading Covid into nursing homes where they were unable to be kept away form the vulnerable populations that were already residents there

 

[LeafByNiggle]

One more, @LeafByNiggle. We already knew by March 15 that we needed to get a handle on the long term care facilities…Not only were the Washington state long term care facilities in trouble, so were the ones in Italy.

It was a mistake that Cuomo corrected two weeks later.

The CDC guidelines said send the Covid infected patients back only if they can be isolated into a separate wing or separate floor set aside for Covid care.

Those were directives to nursing homes on how to handle covid patients. It was up to the nursing home to follow them.

This is the biggest difference between the way NY and NJ handled it and the way FL did. FL leadership saw the crisis for what it was and resolved to get their own LTCF’s under control so that they would not overload the hospitals.

This is a small difference. It is one way in which FL did not make the single mistake that NY made, but since then they have done everything else wrong, and that is why FL is doing so much worse than NY now that travelers from FL are restricted coming into NY, but not the other way around.

So far they have largely succeeded.

Only in that one single decision. They have failed in all the rest, and that is why they are now one of the nation’s hot spots.

and they like Oregon Washington Arizona New Mexico Texas and other high locations for illegal entry by foreigners are dealing with that now

Illegal entry from Mexico is unlikely to be the cause of the border states’ problems, since the deaths per capita in Mexico are less than the deaths per capita in the US. Mexico has more to fear from US travel than we have from them.

When Oregon posts the demographics of Covid by race - Hispanics account for about 40%

That is a well-know characteristic of people who live in close quarters, have service sector jobs of high risk, and have poorer health in general that leads greater sensitivity to covid. What you are measuring is poverty, not illegal immigration.

NY … had a failed Nursing home policy … which accounts for most of the deaths

They had a policy for 2 weeks that accounted for an inconsequential number of the overall deaths in the state. I refer specifically to deaths in nursing homes due to covid patients being transferred there too soon from hospitals, and not to general nursing home deaths that were of people who contracted the disease in other ways.

 

[Cathoholic]

LeafByNiggle citing an irrelevancy. . .

Those hospitals would not have taken fully recovered covid-negative patients.

They would not need to.

Cuomo isn’t under fire for mandating nursing homes take covid-negative patients.

Cuomo is under fire for mandating nursing homes take covid-positive patients.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle citing an irrelevancy. . .

Those hospitals would not have taken fully recovered covid-negative patients.

Yes he is - by 1cthlctrth, which implies that Cuomo’s current order is still somehow flawed when the poster says:

The March 25 order that forced infected patients on them allows for no exceptions and has not been changed.
The killer fifth paragraph still reads: “No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission.”

Because the modified order clearly says that only after a patient tests negative for covid-19 could that patient be placed back in a nursing home.

 

[Cathoholic]

You are equivocating somebody not tested, with somebody who tests negative.

Neither (untested patient with symptoms or a tested patient who is known positive) should be let into a LTCF where patients absolutely need protection from corona virus.

Somebody “who tests negative” is (almost always) irrelevant as far as LTCF admission.

 

[1cthlctrth]

Cuomo is under fire for mandating nursing homes take covid-positive patients.

Proof that most of the media actively participates (more than just bias) in advancing the Democratic Party is the way they praise Andrew Cuomo for his COVID response, when New York has the worst rate of COVID deaths-to-population of all states in the country.