Cupich to be Next Chicago Archbishop

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estesbob said:
I suspect that progressives are going to be disappointed to find out that the Archbishop is indeed cCtholic.
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That isn’t the question, estesbob. The question is will the new archbishop speak the truth with clarity and authority. Or will he be a weak bishop. Im sure you would agree that we need strong bishops who speak with moral clarity in these muddled, morally confused relativistic times.

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estesbob said:
Yes. The Holy See.
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Great, thanks!

Jozef Wesolowski on Pedophilia Charges

VATICAN CITY - The Vatican on Tuesday arrested a former archbishop accused of paying for sex with children while he was a papal ambassador in the Dominican Republic, the first-ever arrest inside the city state on charges of paedophilia. Jozef Wesolowski, a Pole who was defrocked by a Vatican tribunal in June, has been placed under house arrest awaiting a criminal trial, the Vatican said in a statement.

The 66-year-old Wesolowski is the most prominent church figure to be arrested since Paolo Gabriele, a former papal butler convicted in 2012 of stealing and leaking private papers of former Pope Benedict XVI. Unlike Gabriele, Wesolowski has not been detained in the Vatican prison, a couple of rooms attached to a courthouse, but was granted house arrest in a Vatican apartment for medical reasons.

Wesolowski was recalled to Rome by the Vatican last year when he was still a diplomat in Santo Domingo and relieved of his duties after Dominican media accused him of paedophilia.

He had been living freely in Rome, and victims of sexual abuse had called for his arrest, expressing concern he might flee. The former archbishop could face up to 12 years in jail in what will be the first trial for sexual abuse to be held inside the Vatican City.

nbcnews.com/news/world/vatican-arrests-ex-archbishop-jozef-wesolowski-pedophilia-charges-n210166
 
A sobering analysis of the Cupich appointment in the current issue of NOR.

Unfortunately it is not up at their website yet but hopefully will be soon. If not it is well worth ordering this one issue (11/14).

The NOR carries no agenda. They call out Church problems where they see them. The NOR was running articles very critical of the “orthodox” LofC long before the Vatican stepped in.

In any case, some take away quotes from the article titles “Enter The American Bergoglio”.

"A further indication Cupich is on the same page as Francis came in an interview with Chicago’s CBS affiliate in which Cupich indicated he’d be willing to give Holy and LGBT activists wearing confrontational buttons supporting same-sex marriage."
He is quoted as saying regarding this “We cannot politicize the communion rail”.

NOR notes “this seems to be at colossal gibe Cardinal Burke’s position on the issue.”

NOR goes on to note that “though Cupich may not want to politicize the communion rail” he “hasn’t stayed out of politics when it comes to same-sex marriage” Referring to his 2012 pastoral letter calling for “more civil and honest conversation about Catholic positions (note, my comment, not position - as if there are many legitimate position) on equality”.
Referring to LifeSite news the NOR notes “in 2011, as bishop of Spokane, Cupich urged priests and seminarians in the Spokane diocese not to pray outside abortion clinics. …Cupich also reportedly expressed disapproval of the 40 Days For life event”

NOR sums it up "Bishop Cupich was , in essence, telling pro-life Catholics to lock themselves into their ““sacristies””.

The article ends with "Cupich seems to be bringing Chicago back to the ““the heyday of Cardinal Joseph Bernadin … a champion of liberal Catholicism in the United States and the creator of the mountainous bureaucratic machine of the episcopal conference””.

The article notes that the “pastoral revolution that has marked [Francis’s] papacy will be institutionalized long after his tenure ends as the Bishop of Rome”.

My thought here - similar to the way Obama’s court appointments will institutionalize his vision on America long after he finished his second term.

Sobering article, but a must read for those who may be troubled by the Pope’s words (and actions) which for the first year many insisted were mis-quotes. It does not seem so. The church is headed in a progressive direction

Another reason the 11/14 issue of NOR is great is an article by James Schall entitled “Will Modernity Mean The End of Catholicsm?”

It tries to delve into why the the expected “Catholic moment”, anticipated after the election of JP2, never came about.

Schall, near the article’s end, asks:

“Pope Francis has introduced a new play in the world chess game. What remains to be seen is whether he is received into the public square as a Catholic or a modernist, whether Catholicism in his time is allowed any space biut that inside its own walls”.
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St. John Paul the Great and Emeritus Benedict XVI left significant and long-lasting legacies for the Church by their appointments of bishops and cardinals. The question is whether Francis’ pontificate will be long enough and progressive enough to completely overturn the work of his two predecessors. I doubt it on both counts.
 
Elizium23 said:
St. John Paul the Great and Emeritus Benedict XVI left significant and long-lasting legacies for the Church by their appointments of bishops and cardinals. The question is whether Francis’ pontificate will be long enough and progressive enough to completely overturn the work of his two predecessors. I doubt it on both counts.
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Between the two previous pontificates there were a quarter century of more traditional and less progressive appointments yet Pope Francis, who if you read his tenure as Bishop Bergolia, was clearly progressive, won seeming easy election as Pope. He is close to Liberation Theology it seems based on some of his “economic” statements. A theology JP2 condemned.

Truth is, all are sinners and I think some bishops go along to get along. Traditional Pope - they become traditional. progressive Pope - they become progressive. I can think of one prominent “orthodox” bishop who has suddenly gone all patoral.

In my parish we are fortunate to have a young priest from a generally conservative seminary. He was such for a few years - more traditional, but now he is talking of female deacons and that allowing communion for divorced/remarried Catholics will not be a change in “dogma” or doctrine as it is not dogma. to begin with.

We are all human and it is the rare person, cleric or not, who is truly orthodox come what may.
 
Tobias2 said:
Between the two previous pontificates there were a quarter century of more traditional and less progressive appointments yet Pope Francis, who if you read his tenure as Bishop Bergolia, was clearly progressive, won seeming easy election as Pope. He is close to Liberation Theology it seems based on some of his “economic” statements. A theology JP2 condemned.

Truth is, all are sinners and I think some bishops go along to get along. Traditional Pope - they become traditional. progressive Pope - they become progressive. I can think of one prominent “orthodox” bishop who has suddenly gone all patoral.

In my parish we are fortunate to have a young priest from a generally conservative seminary. He was such for a few years - more traditional, but now he is talking of female deacons and that allowing communion for divorced/remarried Catholics will not be a change in “dogma” or doctrine as it is not dogma. to begin with.

We are all human and it is the rare person, cleric or not, who is truly orthodox come what may.
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Yes, this is interesting isn’t it? I do wonder about the widespread “liberal” tendencies I have witnessed in clergy. In my area, that is the norm. I mean one or two even went on local TV under Pope Benedict to express concerns that he was not taking the Church in the right direction and not responsive enough to women’s or gay’s issues. Not sure what the correct orthodox Catholic laity response to that is - beyond the acute discomfort of course.

I kind of wonder though - if that was ok under Benedict, why isn’t it ok for orthodox clergy to go on local TV or up to the pulpit and express genuine, responsible concerns about Pope Francis? It was very clear to me how liberals felt under Benedict. I admit I found it frustrating but I lived with it.

Also, keep in mind there is a younger wave of more conservative priests (so called JP II generation) behind the “Vatican II” group. The Vatican II group (baby boomers) are phasing out. How will that affect the hierarchy in, say, 20, even 10 years? I forget about the JP II generation still to come up into the Vatican.

Last point, my hunch is religious life is very structured and conducive to conformity. (We’ll leave Jesus and Paul out of this…:rolleyes:) That said, as far as I am concerned, the priests are critical at this juncture. My guess is that they have the same different opinions expressed by various bishops and us laity. I pray they have courage of conviction and stand worthy of their priesthood, whatever they believe. I hope they look out for their sheep, not their own bacon.
 
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