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Benjamin8o8
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Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. {6} “If you are the Son of God,” he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: “‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’” {7} Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
“You claim you are the Son of the living God, but yet you can not take yourself down from the cross” - satin influence
“Father, forgive them for they know not what they do” - Son of the Living God.
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inJESUS
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Indeed, do not put the Lord to test.
Some do not understand these words.
Some do not understand these words.
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dolphinlove
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Praise be to Lord Jesus, for showing us the peaceful and truthful way.nothe evil taught by Muhammad that humans can curse each others to prove a point as if we can control God’s acts.
Jesus said “bless those who curse you” but Muhammad asks people to curse each others. As Isaiah says, woe to those who see evil good and good evil and this is evil.
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
Some Christians love to bash the last Prophet but when we ask them ok , if he is not the real one , invoke curse of God , then they say , it’s from Satan huh.
Salaam/peace
but Christians are not my Lord or God . So , why can’t I challenge them ?
Some Christians love to bash the last Prophet but when we ask them ok , if he is not the real one , invoke curse of God , then they say , it’s from Satan huh.
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
anyway , InshaAllah I will try to find out if it’s ok for ordinary Muslim like me to do so.
Salaam/peace
Is there any ruling for us not to do that ? Look at the forum , how some Christians are using nasty words about the Last Prophet (pbuh). I see no problem asking them to do the same I am ready to do / did . At least , by asking them to do so , they may think about their daily activities .
anyway , InshaAllah I will try to find out if it’s ok for ordinary Muslim like me to do so.
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katy_kt
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Muslim Women, you might consider the phrase as nothing but proof of a person’s sincerity, but to Christians it is horrible to say something like this.
The problem is that an individual is invoking a curse. We shouldn’t be invoking harm on anyone especially people who are not involved i.e. family. It is only God who can judge who should be punished and who shouldn’t, and how he is to punish them. After all, misfortunes befall anyone, even Job who did nothing but please God, was according to those around him, cursed.
The other problem with the phase is that it demeans God’s justice. Whether I ask for punishment to befall me or not, God will judge me. He doesn’t need me to explicitly say those words for him to punish those who tells lies. If he doesn’t chose to do so, me saying those lines will not make him change his mind.
What others are saying is that you are judging God, not Christians. What you are saying is that if one person is lying, God has to punish him. This is a test to God, that he will judge that person.
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Sam_777
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Probably Muslims will keep cursing till the person dies from a natural cause, then they will claim that it was because of their curse.Btw, what happens if no curse befell anyone?
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swariffin
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Why should I curse you, when I know that you are just a victim of an elegant brainwashing of either Muhammad or his successor.
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Sam_777
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Yes.
I totally agree.To me this sounds exactly like the devil tempting Jesus in the desert!!
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Sam_777
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Not at all, actually its a Sunnah, and its allowed in Islam till this date, you better ask your Azhar clerics
, here is a link from my Saudi clerics:المباهلة سنة فيمن أصر على العناد من أهل الباطل:
ومنها : أن السنة في مجادلة أهل الباطل إذا قامت عليهم حجة الله ولم يرجعوا بل أصروا على العناد أن يدعوهم إلى المباهلة وقد أمر الله سبحانه بذلك رسوله ولم يقل إن ذلك ليس لأمتك من بعدك ودعا إليه ابن عمه عبد الله بن عباس لمن أنكر عليه بعض مسائل الفروع ولم ينكر عليه الصحابة ودعا إليه الأوزاعي سفيان الثوري في مسألة رفع اليدين ولم ينكر عليه ذلك وهذا من تمام الحجة .
ومنها : أن السنة في مجادلة أهل الباطل إذا قامت عليهم حجة الله ولم يرجعوا بل أصروا على العناد أن يدعوهم إلى المباهلة وقد أمر الله سبحانه بذلك رسوله ولم يقل إن ذلك ليس لأمتك من بعدك ودعا إليه ابن عمه عبد الله بن عباس لمن أنكر عليه بعض مسائل الفروع ولم ينكر عليه الصحابة ودعا إليه الأوزاعي سفيان الثوري في مسألة رفع اليدين ولم ينكر عليه ذلك وهذا من تمام الحجة .
Moreover, the Palestinian Islamic army had asked Hamas for Mubahala as shown in this link.
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chrisse
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Muslims deny YHWH, not just on this board but in the “holy” trilogy, the qur’an, hadiths and sunnah. This trilogy is also full of nasty words towards Jews and Christians. And the history of the islamic imperialist ideology is full of persecution, slaughter, enslavement and dhimmi status towards all non-muslims.
A few “nasty” words to a muslim is anything criticising mohammet, let alone using strong words to describe his abominable behaviour.
But look, muslim woman has been told it is against our faith to curse another, or to ask YHWH to do so, and in her arrogance this is nothing to her. Well, of course, to a muslim Christianity is “nasty”.
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chrisse
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This curse challenge was put to Ali Sina of Faith Freedom within the last twelve months. Um, the challenger also wanted Ali to appear in person for the challenge. Hmmm, we could be sure what the outcome would have been if he had have done so, and allah would have had nothing to do with it.
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Reuben_J
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Resorting to cursing is an inherent culture of paganism, animism and Satanism which is inherently evil. If it is true that this is part of Islamic teaching then it has to be derived from the Evil One not of God. We should be wary of this facet of Islam where it had been suggested that it contains mixture of element of Satanism in its practice and teachings. Curse will not prove anything whether one believes or not for the final judgment is God’s. Resorting to curse is an evil exercise which exploits the lack of faith of the believers and the non-believers alike for it to control and possess them. Come to think of it, it is quite common to see Muslims indulge in curses. I have come across quite a number of such victims and it is a terrible thing.
Unfortunately, curse, hex and spell are realities of today practice and they are all originated from Satan one way or the other. These are certainly not Christianity for Christians bless and do not curse. If it is any consolation, curse does not have any effect on Christians as long as they have strong faith in Jesus and pray for the coverage of His precious blood that was shed on the cross, which shield them from all harm and from all evil.
The Evil One has no power over God and Jesus had won the victory over Satan by his death on the cross. An advice to Christians: they should not entertain this (partaking in curse) because it would only open the door for the Evil One to take hold on their faith belief.
Unfortunately, curse, hex and spell are realities of today practice and they are all originated from Satan one way or the other. These are certainly not Christianity for Christians bless and do not curse. If it is any consolation, curse does not have any effect on Christians as long as they have strong faith in Jesus and pray for the coverage of His precious blood that was shed on the cross, which shield them from all harm and from all evil.
The Evil One has no power over God and Jesus had won the victory over Satan by his death on the cross. An advice to Christians: they should not entertain this (partaking in curse) because it would only open the door for the Evil One to take hold on their faith belief.
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ronyodish
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Ok, my turn:
May the blessing of the One and Holy Triune God fall upon you Muslim Woman, and all the members of your family!
Blessed are you, having been loved into creation by the Father!
Blessed are you, having been redeemed by the cross of the Son!
Blessed are you, having been called to holiness by the Holy Spirit!
I have a special picture for you, it is called the Sermon on the Mount, where the Lord Jesus Christ gave out His beatitudes, the blessings of people:
http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipe...TheMount.jpg/300px-Bloch-SermonOnTheMount.jpg
God bless you and keep you from all harm,
Rony
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Sam_777
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May the blessing of the One and Holy Triune God fall upon you Muslim Woman, and all the members of your family!
Blessed are you, having been loved into creation by the Father!
Blessed are you, having been redeemed by the cross of the Son!
Blessed are you, having been called to holiness by the Holy Spirit!
Rony, that is the difference between a Christian and a Muslim.:hug1:
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ronyodish
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And God bless you too Sam!!!
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Rony
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
Your brothers & sisters are bashing my respected Prophet using nasty words on a daily
basis . I really find it strange that Christians see no problem attacking people of other faith regularly but they find it offensive if we ask God to judge the matter.
Salaam/peace
thanks & same to you .
Your brothers & sisters are bashing my respected Prophet using nasty words on a daily
basis . I really find it strange that Christians see no problem attacking people of other faith regularly but they find it offensive if we ask God to judge the matter.
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
Ever noticed this difference ?
Salaam/peace
Muslims don’t bash Christians respected Prophets but Christians attack our beloved Prophet as if it’s their compulsory religious duty.
Ever noticed this difference ?
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ronyodish
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Muslim Woman,
Peace be unto you!
Christians are not allowed to judge people, whether the people claim to be prophets or not, because only God judges people. However, Christians are allowed to judge the actions and teachings of people, whether these people claim to be prophets or not, in order to determine whether their actions are moral or immoral, and whether their teachings are true or false.
So for example, with regards to Muhammad, we are not allowed to curse Muhammad and say that he is in hell, because we are called to bless and love all people, and leave it up to God for the judgment of his soul and the souls of his followers.
However, we are allowed to look at Muhammad’s actions and teachings and determine whether his actions and teachings measure up against the moral and doctrinal teachings of Scripture and Tradition. We are called to beware of false prophets, and we must protect the Gospel of Jesus Christ from immorality and false teachings.
Now, myself as a Christian, I reject the claims of Muhammad as the Prophet and Messenger of God, and I reject his claim to being the Seal of the Prophets. I consider his teachings to be a mixture of truth and falsehood, and so I accept what is true and reject what is false in accordance with the Gospel of Jesus.
As far as himself as a human being, God loves him, and so we Christians must love him as well, just like we must love all other men. However, just as God loves the sinners but hates their sins, we likewise must love this sinner Muhammad, but hate his sins and all sins of all men.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner! :byzsoc:
God bless,
Rony
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