Cussing and swearing

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Excellent post ! 👍 Couldn’t have said it better my self. Must also admit though, that I have never had to justify that cussing and swearing was ungodly behaviour until I came to CAF… that supprised me and I got quite dissapointed thinh´king: Why is it that what is evident to all the Christians that I have met so far is not evident to some of the serious Catholic brothers here?
I’m new here, and only a few posts in, so thank you for your support. 🙂

I agree with you also. Some of the most lackluster Christians ARE catholics, and that upsets me sometimes. Some people really take for granted being Catholic or don’t understand what it means. For some, it’s no different than being a protestant, or a whatever, and just going to some gathering, singing some hymns like a good boy, and then carrying on like you were before.

What disgusts me even more is that I am guilty of being like this, and we all are on some level at some point and time. It’s whether we pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and improve or behavior that matters and is what seperates us from the other hypocrites. The ones trying to do something about it are the ones I believe God favors, not that He loves anyone any else for trying or not trying hard enough, but He definitely rewards those who try, in spite of their crosses and sins.

If you would be so kind as to help me with my introductory post, I would be very appreciative. It is an embarrassing topic, but I need to talk about it, and any (name removed by moderator)ut you could give would help. Or, if you could recommend someone else to respond to it that would be nice too. Thank you! =)

Here is the link: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=254227
 
Here is the conclusion I’m drawing on this issue: the people who believe that cussing/swearing/profanity is intrinsically evil (always a sin, regardless) seem to base that belief solely on personal revelation (their conversations with God and deep religious experiences).

Is that accurate? :hmmm:
 
Here is the conclusion I’m drawing on this issue: the people who believe that cussing/swearing/profanity is intrinsically evil (always a sin, regardless) seem to base that belief solely on personal revelation (their conversations with God and deep religious experiences).

Is that accurate? :hmmm:
Partly…
I would say two things: conscience and revelation: the sum of what we know about God through conversation with Him, meditating on Him and His Life, reading His Word in the Bible that, as I said, implicitly calls to holiness also in the area of speech.

If God the Holy Spirit is not the one urging us to clean up our act, then who is it? If someone is urging me onto good ways I dont credit myself for it, but I give the praise to God because He wants to make me be and look like Him.

As for the defence of faul language I have as yet to see one good reason. The only ones I seem to hear is:
-The Bible does not explicitly speak against profanity
-I heard a priest -or someone else who should know better - use profane language
  • I wanna be allowed to sound “funny” infront of my friends and fit in.
 
I do not think any of those are valid reasons. My reason for thinking that it is not intrinsically evil is that the meaning behind the words is the problem, not the combination of letters and mouth sounds that make up such a word. I think the sins caused by such language are insulting others and scandal. If the word is not used where it can be applied to either of those, it seems to me like it wouldn’t necessarily be a sin.
 
I agree with you also. Some of the most lackluster Christians ARE catholics, and that upsets me sometimes. Some people really take for granted being Catholic or don’t understand what it means. For some, it’s no different than being a protestant, or a whatever, and just going to some gathering, singing some hymns like a good boy, and then carrying on like you were before.

What disgusts me even more is that I am guilty of being like this, and we all are on some level at some point and time. It’s whether we pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and improve or behavior that matters and is what seperates us from the other hypocrites.
Nowhere does it say that society’s bad words are offensive to God or sinful. Just because you may think that foul language is a sin, that does not give you the right to accuse cussers of being hypocritical, Protestant-like, or otherwise bad Catholics. :tsktsk:
 
No matter how we put cussing and swearing is bad and we know it in our hearts, and the only relief that we will ever get is confessing to God directly and to the priest for absolution.

Just because people cuss around does not mean you do the samething that they do, and if they do it around dont be rude and say that is not right because they might get offend, there are other ways to tell friends and family that you would prefer they watch their language especially if there are kids around it is important we set an example for the youth when they are at least old enough to speak although we should not cuss and swear.

It is not healthy for us and our relationship.
 
Nowhere does it say that society’s bad words are offensive to God or sinful. Just because you may think that foul language is a sin, that does not give you the right to accuse cussers of being hypocritical, Protestant-like, or otherwise bad Catholics. :tsktsk:
Vulgar speaking begets vulgar company, and it all accumulates. Why? Because decent people won’t tolerate it, so cursing is usually muttered, in private, or in situations with others who also curse (like in bars and clubs), just like how smoking is often banned in certain areas out of consideration for non-smokers. Non-smokers don’t want to have to breathe your smoke, and decent people don’t want to have to hear something appalling. I’ve seen this (cursing) as a norm in society and in life in general in different social cliques, mostly secular, but even with some religious. My saying they’re hypocritical is sound, because it’s based on the principle that good conduct and speech are expected from people who call themselves religious, and when they cling to that but then mutter profanities or relate indecent jokes, they are engaging in hypocritical behavior, and as I said in my first post, I am sometimes one of these people, and I admit it. So theres no need to be wagging your finger at me.

When people curse, it tends to be with people who also curse, meaning it is a group-perpetuated force of habit, where the cursing takes center stage and often decides the actual conversation, by who can out-swear the other, which is sought subconsciously and acted upon as an impulse to that subconscious prompt. When people ‘BS’ as it were, they are given to loose tongues and the more and more they loosen their tongue with their nonsense, eventually, the greater the profanities they utter, which can then become blasphemous and where they’re taking the Lord’s name in vain, in whatever amount or frequency. And when that happens, it is most certainly a sin.

You can believe all you want cursing isn’t a sin, but I don’t see how it can’t be since I doubt God can be pleased with anything that can become a compulsive, bad habit, and can spread to other people, usually innocence, such as children, and make it a norm for them too. And lets not forget the cursing words that are directly defensive to God and break the 3rd Commandment. It’s as simple as this for me- if something isn’t wholesome by nature or it is but is manipulated to be vulgar, and it changes other people’s vocabulary (for the worse in most cases), and other people hear this and are compromised by it, either by feeling uncomfortable or by being pressured to curse in order to fit in, then it’s a sin, a group perpetuated sin, and all of them should ask God to save their tongue against ill-begotten conversation and to help them remove these words from their conscious and subconscious vocabulary.

The only exception I can make to cursing is when someone is in pain, like they hit their finger with a hammer when hammering a nail and they utter GD or the F word. As the person’s mind was not coming from a source of anger, stupidity, or lewdness, it’s merely an exclamation. Though, personally, I would feel comfortable for him if he said ‘sorry Jesus’ really quick. I’m sure that, under the circumstances in situations like these, if it is a sin, it was very minimal and a venial sin at best.

Wanton cursing is a different matter, though, and I’m pretty sure it’s what’s even making this discussion we’re all having about cursing possible. Bottom line, my opinion is people who revel in foul language are sinning, and if others are impressionable or innocent, are causing them to sin as well or providing an occasion of sin for them.
 
I think I qualify as a “decent person”, yet I don’t see bad words as intrinsically evil.

The only valid point you bring up is that it can become an unhealthy habit. Other than that, you haven’t really said anything substantial.
 
I think I qualify as a “decent person”, yet I don’t see bad words as intrinsically evil.

The only valid point you bring up is that it can become an unhealthy habit. Other than that, you haven’t really said anything substantial.
For future reference, could you quote me next time so I know you’re speaking to me, please? The only way I was able to tell was because you said decent, and replied soon after me, but your comment could have easily been directed at anyone else who might share my opinion. =)

I’m sure you do qualify as a decent person. So do I. Most upright, honest people are, they just have personal faults. I don’t see words as evil, I see bad words as sinful. For them to be evil, it would require that they were inherently evil. One of the reasons I, and many others, believe cursing is sinful is because often times many of the curse words that exist were once innocent words, which have been manipulated and taken out of context for the specific purpose of being lewd, disrespectful, or hateful. The sin comes in through that. I doubt God enjoys people taking language and corrupting it. Language was/is a gift from Him to us, afterall. Does it make Him super angry that He’s going to throw a lightning bolt down on you? I don’t know and I don’t think so. But does it make Him sad? I think so, depending on the severity and frequency. He doesn’t want people disrespecting others and themselves with foul language.

As far as me not saying anything substantial, I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything to start with, I’m just stating my opinion and if people agree or disagree with it that’s fine. I don’t feel as though I have to prove anything for proving’s sake, and neither should you or anyone else. Everyone knows what they feel in their hearts to be true, and that will be their bottom line.
 
Since I voted I’ll add.

I have a horrible habit of dropping the f bomb and/or cursing when upset but usually if only I am alone and there is not a soul for hundreds of yards. Like when golfing or traffic. It developed in High School and was a mental way for me to release anguish and frustration rather than bottle it up. I accidentally sometimes swear or say God! because of a long held habit I’m trying to break.

Curse words even if they are not bible related I feel in my heart are sinful. Not mortal but worthy enough to mention when your at confession but not a special trip in itself. I put that its a sin for everybody because it is but it’s not mortal especially if it is out of bad habit as your brain tends to spit it out sub-consciously without thinking. And it’s just dirty language and even though society uses it a lot today, why do they bleep it out on TV? because its dirty.

I use to get soap in my mouth as a child if i said the slightest dirty words. :o
 
The Bible supports good and clean speech:
Ephesians 4:29: “29 Let no bad speech proceed from your mouth; but that which is good, to the edification of faith, that it may administer grace to the hearers.”
 
“Do not accustom your mouth to lewd vulgarity, for it involves sinful speech.” (Sirach 23:13)
 
“Do not accustom your mouth to lewd vulgarity, for it involves sinful speech.” (Sirach 23:13)
I agree with this reasoning, but I find a different translation of this passage in the RC Bible that I have.
 
Alright then, I’m curious. In England (at least) the words “bloody” and “shag” are considered foul language, but not here in the US. So if I say “where are my bloody, shagging keys?!”, am I sinning?
 
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