Da Vinci Plot May Get New Twist to Placate Catholics

[cathgal]

Karin:

First off I am not bashing any Catholics…my post did not bash Catholics.
You are entitled to your opinion of what trash is…heck some people may say that the Bible is trash in their eyes **(please note: I am not one of those people) . **So is the thinking that all books of fiction should never talk about the Catholic fate if it goes against church teachings???
But to attack someone because they enjoyed something that you didnt…that sounds really un-Christian to me!

What if someone wrote a fictional book portraying Hitler as a saintly man, who never killed the Jews. That’s right, Hitler was framed by some evildoer and now he’s taking the blame as a devil incarnate throughout history. You think the Jews would let it rest. Hey, it’s only fictional, why be so offensive right!

Smart man that this Dan Brown didn’t write anything fictional or offensive about Islam or their Mohammed; otherwise, he wouldn’t live long to enjoy his fame!

Yeah, offending Christianity is always a safe way to go…

 

[Riley259]

Karin:

I guess I am the odd person here…I actually enjoyed the book…as a work of fiction and I am looking forward to the movie…

Even as a work of fiction it was horrendous - poorly written, one dimensional characters and absurd plot devices. But as an attack on Christianity and Catholicism in particular, it was diabolical. The claims made are so easily proven false by anyone that has an interest in researching the topics point by point. Unfortunately, your average person is just looking for a good yarn and has no desire to check out the veracity of the work - but their faith can get crushed by a work like this if their catechesis is poor. A good book to start is The Di Vinci Hoax by Meisel and Olson. All of the offensive claims are answered point by point. If you have any interest in the truth and in minimizing ant-Catholic bigotry, then you will see this work as more than just a work of fiction. By the way I hope I’m not out of line and if I am, I apologize in advance but If your ex-husband is a devout Catholic (and reading between the lines there seems to be hard feelings) and you are a “little bit of everything”, then out of curiousity, why are you on this forum?

 

[Karin]

cathgal:

What if someone wrote a fictional book portraying Hitler as a saintly man, who never killed the Jews. That’s right, Hitler was framed by some evildoer and now he’s taking the blame as a devil incarnate throughout history. You think the Jews would let it rest. Hey, it’s only fictional, why be so offensive right!

Smart man that this Dan Brown didn’t write anything fictional or offensive about Islam or their Mohammed; otherwise, he wouldn’t live long to enjoy his fame!

Yeah, offending Christianity is always a safe way to go…

It is a work of **fiction **…I guess I am not understanding what the big deal is…books have been written that have offend all faiths at some point in time…so Christianity does not hold the gold medal in this.
You know as long as the writer stated that these things where works of fiction I could care less what the writer chose to say in the book about Hitler…he could tell me Hitler was a gay jewish man that painted flowers on billboards as long as the plot of the story was interesting to me I would read it.
As to writing anything bad about Islam…Brown may not have but Rushdie did …he is still alive even though certain folks would like to see him dead (and hey that book was great also or so I thought!) !

 

[Karin]

Riley259:

Even as a work of fiction it was horrendous - poorly written, one dimensional characters and absurd plot devices. But as an attack on Christianity and Catholicism in particular, it was diabolical. The claims made are so easily proven false by anyone that has an interest in researching the topics point by point. Unfortunately, your average person is just looking for a good yarn and has no desire to check out the veracity of the work - but their faith can get crushed by a work like this if their catechesis is poor. A good book to start is The Di Vinci Hoax by Meisel and Olson. All of the offensive claims are answered point by point. If you have any interest in the truth and in minimizing ant-Catholic bigotry, then you will see this work as more than just a work of fiction.

I never said I viewed it as anything other than a work of ficiton…I know it is! Why should I view it as more than that…if it is not??? I never believed the offensive claims written in the book as truth about the church or its histroy! To me it was just a work of fiction.
If a persons faith can be crushed by reading this due to a poor understanding of their faith …is this not proof that they perhaps should strengthen it???

Riley259:

By the way I hope I’m not out of line and if I am, I apologize in advance but If your ex-husband is a devout Catholic (and reading between the lines there seems to be hard feelings) and you are a “little bit of everything”, then out of curiousity, why are you on this forum?

Not at all (out of line that is)…please note that I say devout with a small d…(yes hard feelings but not because of our relationship but becuase he is a bad father IMO) I thought this forum was open to all (Jews, Mulsim, Catholic, JW etc.) I thought perhaps in learning more about everyday Catholics (how they live, think etc) I could understand this religion a bit more…alas that has not been the case…all it has done is raise more questions.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Riley259:

Even as a work of fiction it was horrendous - poorly written, one dimensional characters and absurd plot devices. But as an attack on Christianity and Catholicism in particular, it was diabolical. The claims made are so easily proven false by anyone that has an interest in researching the topics point by point. Unfortunately, your average person is just looking for a good yarn and has no desire to check out the veracity of the work - but their faith can get crushed by a work like this if their catechesis is poor. A good book to start is The Di Vinci Hoax by Meisel and Olson. All of the offensive claims are answered point by point. If you have any interest in the truth and in minimizing ant-Catholic bigotry, then you will see this work as more than just a work of fiction. By the way I hope I’m not out of line and if I am, I apologize in advance but If your ex-husband is a devout Catholic (and reading between the lines there seems to be hard feelings) and you are a “little bit of everything”, then out of curiousity, why are you on this forum?

I don’t see where we’re going with this – we can’t stop anyone from making a movie. All we can do is point out the errors, and hopefully get the anti-Catholicism mitigated a bit.

 

[Karin]

vern humphrey:

I don’t see where we’re going with this – we can’t stop anyone from making a movie. All we can do is point out the errors, and hopefully get the anti-Catholicism mitigated a bit.

OK the stupid question of the week…
someone please expalin to me in “idiot terms” why this book is anti-catholic…

 

[vern_humphrey]

Karin:

OK the stupid question of the week…
someone please expalin to me in “idiot terms” why this book is anti-catholic…

The plot is that Leonardo Da Vinci knew “secrets” about Christ and Christianity (mainly that Jesus was married to Mary Magadaline.) But he had to “encode” these “secrets” to pass them down to later generations – he couldn’t say them openly, lest the evil Catholic Church (which has tried to conceal the truth for two thousand years) persecute him,

 

[Karin]

vern humphrey:

The plot is that Leonardo Da Vinci knew “secrets” about Christ and Christianity (mainly that Jesus was married to Mary Magadaline.) But he had to “encode” these “secrets” to pass them down to later generations – he couldn’t say them openly, lest the evil Catholic Church (which has tried to conceal the truth for two thousand years) persecute him,

Vern,
I knew the plot but thanks for the recap …but this is ficiton it is not history…that is how it was written?! So because the writer wrote a fiction story that was about Catholic Church history (false as it is) it is anti-catholic? Am i understanding this correctly???

 

[Marie]

Karin:

OK the stupid question of the week…
someone please expalin to me in “idiot terms” why this book is anti-catholic…

It attacks the Catholic Church and her beliefs about Jesus Christ, the Bible, and Church authority. It claims to be completely accurate and based in fact, but it is not. It rewrites and misrepresents Church and secular history. It promotes a radical feminist, neo-gnostic agenda. It propagates a relativistic, indifferent attitude towards truth and religion.

, 179-203).

 

[Karin]

Marie-
Thank you…that was the “idiot” explanation I was looking for!

 

[vern_humphrey]

Karin:

Vern,
I knew the plot but thanks for the recap …but this is ficiton it is not history…that is how it was written?! So because the writer wrote a fiction story that was about Catholic Church history (false as it is) it is anti-catholic? Am i understanding this correctly???

When the Soviet Union imploded, there was a virtual panic amongst writers of fiction thrillers – who would they use for bad guys now? Can you imagine the James Bond novels being written in a world where there was no more Smersh?

The Da Vinci Code makes the Catholic Church the bad guy – and it does it by fleshing out and presenting as valid all the old canards about the Church. It’s as if someone wrote a novel where all the Blacks were shiftless, lazy and addicted to drugs.

 

[Marie]

Karin:

Marie-
Thank you…that was the “idiot” explanation I was looking for!

Welcome…from one idiot to another… :tiphat:

 

[Karin]

vern humphrey:

It’s as if someone wrote a novel where all the Blacks were shiftless, lazy and addicted to drugs.

I have read books that do state those things (not all at once)…I dont view them as truth either but as the ficiton that they where intended to be.
Vern,
Thank you also for the comparison it has helped me see where Catholics are coming from…perhaps one of these days when I am a Catholic(???) I will also view them that way…as for now I can respect your (Catholics) views on this though!

 

[Karin]

Marie:

Welcome…from one idiot to another… :tiphat:

Your at it again…lol!
But by no means would I classify you as one of the “idiots”

 

[vern_humphrey]

Karin:

I have read books that do state those things (not all at once)…I dont view them as truth either but as the ficiton that they where intended to be.
Vern,
Thank you also for the comparison it has helped me see where Catholics are coming from…perhaps one of these days when I am a Catholic(???) I will also view them that way…as for now I can respect your (Catholics) views on this though!

I really don’t see where there’s anything for us Catholics to get up in arms about – this book has been thoroughly refuted. People who want to belive that nonsense will believe it. Those who know better will not be swayed by a movie.

I’d rather see us put our energies to dealing with things like abortion and anti-family laws and rulings.

 

[Marie]

vern humphrey:

I really don’t see where there’s anything for us Catholics to get up in arms about – this book has been thoroughly refuted. People who want to belive that nonsense will believe it. Those who know better will not be swayed by a movie.

I’d rather see us put our energies to dealing with things like abortion and anti-family laws and rulings.

On the one hand that is true…on the other…It’s a nice break from reality. Wrestling alligators is out for me…Taking Dan Browns half baked theology apart is a whole lot more fun and I can buy alligator shoes at any retail shop! :dancing: :bounce:

 

[Karin]

Marie:

On the one hand that is true…on the other…It’s a nice break from reality. Wrestling alligators is out for me…Taking Dan Browns half baked theology apart is a whole lot more fun and I can buy alligator shoes at any retail shop! :dancing: :bounce:

Marie- (or anyone else)
Another idiot question:whacky: …does anybody on the CA forums believe what D.B. wrote was the truth??
I ask becuase from what I have seen the people fall into one group with two views on the book…thought the book was trash (did not believe it was true) or they liked the book (still thought the propaganda was false).

 

[Marie]

Karin:

Marie- (or anyone else)
Another idiot question:whacky: …does anybody on the CA forums believe what D.B. wrote was the truth??
I ask becuase from what I have seen the people fall into one group with two views on the book…thought the book was trash (did not believe it was true) or they liked the book (still thought the propaganda was false).

I am not sure about people on the forum, but unfortunately…I have met people who ate it up and believed it to be the truth. While many may feel that is just a nothing deal…as Christians and Catholic’s who loves Christ, scripture and Holy Mother Church it is a serious thing. We feel very pained that Christ’s love is being smeared and used to confuse those who do not know better.

Souls who may then never come to know the truth of Christ love and sacrifice, because they take in the evil fiction as truth, and walk away from Christ. This life is short…all are called to Eternity and heaven. The wolves in sheeps clothing steal so many poor unwitting souls. They begin innocently enough…but over time…they loose all zeal for Christ and for faith. That is the deep saddness and difficulty of these types of movies/books.

 

[Karin]

Marie:

I am not sure about people on the forum, but unfortunately…I have met people who ate it up and believed it to be the truth. While many may feel that is just a nothing deal…as Christians and Catholic’s who loves Christ, scripture and Holy Mother Church it is a serious thing. We feel very pained that Christ’s love is being smeared and used to confuse those who do not know better.

Souls who may then never come to know the truth of Christ love and sacrifice, because they take in the evil fiction as truth, and walk away from Christ. This life is short…all are called to Eternity and heaven. The wolves in sheeps clothing steal so many poor unwitting souls. They begin innocently enough…but over time…they loose all zeal for Christ and for faith. That is the deep saddness and difficulty of these types of movies/books.

I thought most people viewed it as a work of fiction…I did not realize that there where people out there that thought there was truth in it.
I can even more so understand where you are coming from!

 

[Marie]

Karin:

I thought most people viewed it as a work of fiction…I did not realize that there where people out there that thought there was truth in it.
I can even more so understand where you are coming from!

The deeper into the south you live(as some of us do and or/ big cities where anything goes)…the whacker it gets and the Catholic bashers are on the DaVinci mis-information highway handing out poison pills. The souls they devour are a sad reality. And then you have the new agers etc…jumping in the mix as well, it gets very sad and very serious.