Dangerous biblical study

[Shannon9791]

Has anybody noticed that Jesus didn’t submit very well to the authority of His church? Sure, He got baptized, but He and his friends were always getting on the wrong side of church authorities and for valid reasons. He and His followers didn’t observe the Sabbath, they didn’t wash their cups, and blatantly so because Jesus yelled at the people who were correcting them!!! Plus, He told parable after parable about how what group a person is a member of has nothing to do with how much like Christ that person is. He told about how the wise and learned don’t know what the Lord reveals to the childlike.

He told His followers not to stop people working in His name but who weren’t a member of His group. They were going to stop Him! They were going to put an end to the heresy! But He didn’t stop them! And yet, lucky as we are to be Catholic, we cannot sit idly by without bashing Protestants. And Protestants, before you snicker, don’t even get me started on some of your attitudes. When I grew up I was best friends with a Lutheran and I got plenty of garbage from his mother, thank you.

No doubt, if Jesus were here posting with us we would call him a heretic, if not a troll.

Alan

Uhhh, what? He told His followers [BIBLEDRB]Matthew 23:1-3[/BIBLEDRB]

He’s basically saying that we are to submit to those who have been put in charge over us.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Uhhh, what? He told His followers [BIBLEDRB]Matthew 23:1-3[/BIBLEDRB]

He’s basically saying that we are to submit to those who have been put in charge over us.

He said that, but look what He did. He didn’t follow the rules and He knew it – nor did He care.

But what about this group identity thing? Did He not say that a Samaritan was justified over a priest, and that a tax collector was better than a Pharisee? Did He not tell His disciples to let others working in His name go, even though they were not part of our group? Clearly Jesus was teaching that religious group identity is not a pivotal issue. What gives us the nerve to go tell those others how wrong they are?

 

[robwar]

Hmm sorry I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. I just read in Matthew that we should pray to God through Jesus Christ not through a Saint or anyone else for that matter. Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings.

my feelings are not hurt!

 

[Shannon9791]

He said that, but look what He did. He didn’t follow the rules and He knew it – nor did He care.

But what about this group identity thing? Did He not say that a Samaritan was justified over a priest, and that a tax collector was better than a Pharisee? Did He not tell His disciples to let others working in His name go, even though they were not part of our group? Clearly Jesus was teaching that religious group identity is not a pivotal issue. What gives us the nerve to go tell those others how wrong they are?

He didn’t say they were better, just that their actions made them more a part of the Kingdom of God. If Jesus was teaching that group identity wasn’t a pivotal issue, He wouldn’t have started a Church. We are told to instruct those who are wrong. It is incumbant upon us to teach those who are misguided. It isn’t nerve, it’s following orders.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

He didn’t say they were better, just that their actions made them more a part of the Kingdom of God. If Jesus was teaching that group identity wasn’t a pivotal issue, He wouldn’t have started a Church. We are told to instruct those who are wrong. It is incumbant upon us to teach those who are misguided. It isn’t nerve, it’s following orders.

I don’t agree with your logic. I don’t agree that the fact Jesus started a church meant that all of a sudden only members of His (institutional) Church were worthy of God. Mystical, yes – but I don’t call the RCC the “mystical Church.” I call the mystical Church, the Body of Christ which is all people past, present, and future – not money, dogma, bricks, nor mortar.

Can you at least agree with me, that any Christian group member, Catholic or not, is not doing Jesus’s work when they argue with anger and bitterness, and call each other names like “troll” and “heretic” and tell them they are not sincere in trying to understand? Catholic or Protestant, I say if you act like that you are pushing Jesus Himself away.

I believe that what we do to the least of our brethren, we do to Jesus. That means that if I listen to a “lost brother” then I have listened to Jesus. I didn’t say I’d get perfect information. Listening is not just about understanding what was said, but is an actual act of mercy – with mystical consequences beyond the literal words – that’s why the Bible has different senses.

And again, teaching the ignorant is one thing, but 99.44% of what is taught, is not necessary for salvation. To argue and bicker about those things will certainly keep God at a distance.

 

[Michael_Francis]

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