Dar al-Harb (Realm of War) and Dar al-Islam (Realm of Islam/Peace)

[Faith101]

ekim61:

How can everyone be right? Someone has got to be wrong. Some of us are following a religion of lies. Right?

First of all I choose to follow Christianity because it has it’s roots all the way back to the begining of Time. (Genesis1:1 “In the begining…”) Secondly I choose the Catholic church because it has it’s roots all the way back to Jesus and His disiciples. And it has been proven and documented in scripture and tradition.

If someone comes along several hundred years after Christ and says he has received a revelation from God and everything that has been taught for the past several hundred years is a lie, how can I beleive him?

ekim61

Prophet Mohamed peace be upon him came to confirm what has been revealed before him! In order for me to call myself Muslim, i have to believe in the revelation sent to ALL the messengers.

Islam has been the religion since the begining. It is what each and every messenger taught “oh People, your Lord is One, worship him.” It is what Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohamed (peace be upon them all) taught. THe message has not changed, some of the rules have just been tweaked a bit.

The original message is Islam, submitting to the One True God and associating no partners with Him

 

[ekim61]

Faith101:

ekim61

Prophet Mohamed peace be upon him came to confirm what has been revealed before him! In order for me to call myself Muslim, i have to believe in the revelation sent to ALL the messengers.

Islam has been the religion since the begining. It is what each and every messenger taught “oh People, your Lord is One, worship him.” It is what Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohamed (peace be upon them all) taught. THe message has not changed, some of the rules have just been tweaked a bit.

The original message is Islam, submitting to the One True God and associating no partners with Him

I don’t believe one bit of what you said. Islam is not the religion from the begining. God chose to reveal himself through Israel and prepared the human race for our Saviour, Jesus Christ. God’s plan of salvation is clearly outlined in the bible, both the old and new testaments. Muslims beleive none of this. You have rejected Jesus Christ as God and Saviour. Islam has reduced him to a mere prophet.

 

[Eetaq]

ekim61:

I don’t believe one bit of what you said. Islam is not the religion from the begining. God chose to reveal himself through Israel and prepared the human race for our Saviour, Jesus Christ. God’s plan of salvation is clearly outlined in the bible, both the old and new testaments. Muslims beleive none of this. You have rejected Jesus Christ as God and Saviour. Islam has reduced him to a mere prophet.

You see, we believe that in the original Bible, before the translations and editions, it wasnt like that.

 

[Faith101]

ekim61:

I don’t believe one bit of what you said. Islam is not the religion from the begining. God chose to reveal himself through Israel and prepared the human race for our Saviour, Jesus Christ. God’s plan of salvation is clearly outlined in the bible, both the old and new testaments. Muslims beleive none of this. You have rejected Jesus Christ as God and Saviour. Islam has reduced him to a mere prophet.

This is your opinion and your entitled to have it. I’m just telling you what we believe.

Jesus never asked anyone to worship him, he repeated the words of the messengers who came before him “worship the one true God”. Jesus peace be upon him will testify to this when he returns to earth…we’ll just have to wait for that.

 

[Booklover]

ekim61:

How can everyone be right? Someone has got to be wrong. Some of us are following a religion of lies. Right?

First of all I choose to follow Christianity because it has it’s roots all the way back to the begining of Time. (Genesis1:1 “In the begining…”) Secondly I choose the Catholic church because it has it’s roots all the way back to Jesus and His disiciples. And it has been proven and documented in scripture and tradition.

If someone comes along several hundred years after Christ and says he has received a revelation from God and everything that has been taught for the past several hundred years is a lie, how can I beleive him?

You got it! One has to be the truth and the other false. We can’t have it both ways. Either we believe in Jesus Christ or Mohammed. According to Mohammed everything Jesus and the apostles claimed is a lie. Jesus lied to the apostles by telling them to wait for the Paraclete, and didn’t send him until 600 years later! Makes a lot of sense doesn’t it?

Hang on to your faith in Jesus, our Savior, who does not lie or deceive!

 

[ekim61]

Eetaq:

You see, we believe that in the original Bible, before the translations and editions, it wasnt like that.

Ok so where did you get this bible version and why does no one else know about it?

 

[un_dhimmi]

While you are at it, you might also want to find the original quran.

You know, the one before Uthman put the current version together and then proceeded to burn all the original sources !

 

[Booklover]

ekim61:

Ok so where did you get this bible version and why does no one else know about it?

You see, Muslims believe that Jews and Christians corrupted the word of God so the Bible can no longer be believed and Qur’an is the only uncorrupted word of God. They don’t accept the doctrine of the Trinity and claim that Jesus cannot be the Son of God, but that he is a prophet lesser than Mohammed. They believe the Paraclete is Mohammed, not the Holy Spirit as we believe. That’s about it in a nutshell!

 

[un_dhimmi]

no, they can use the Bible when it suits them and claim it is corrupted at all other times.

 

[Preacher]

Hildebrand:

For Muslims there are two realms in the world:

Dar al-Islam: where Islam is established

Dar al-Harb: the realm of war where Islam must spread

It is not ironic that Islam, in the past, spread in the West through conquest, turning parts of the Realm of War into the Realm of Islam. Muslim armies reached as far as central France and Vienna for their high water mark in Europe.

Now in Europe and perhaps Israel, Muslims have been handed the game and only have to hold the ball and wait out the clock to bring those lands to the Realm of Islam. With the combination of killing their offspring and preventing any offspring from being created, many parts of Europe are slowly dying out. All the Muslims have to do is immigrate to Europe and have children. They can use the existing empty churches and convert them to mosques. By the time the remnants of Europeans know what has happened, they will be under dhimmitude.

Hi there

But in Islam war is waged to establish supremacy of the Lord only when every other argument has failed to convince those who reject His Will and work against the every purpose of the creation of mankind.

Regards
Preacher

 

[Eetaq]

un_dhimmi:

While you are at it, you might also want to find the original quran.

You know, the one before Uthman put the current version together and then proceeded to burn all the original sources !

Ive heard something about that. Go on.

 

[Catherine_S]

Preacher:

Hi there

But in Islam war is waged to establish supremacy of the Lord only when every other argument has failed to convince those who reject His Will and work against the every purpose of the creation of mankind.

Regards
Preacher

"And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which we reveal unto thee, then ask those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee." Sura Yunus 10:95

 

[Eetaq]

"And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which we reveal unto thee, then ask those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee." Sura Yunus 10:95

the thing you quoted and your statement are completely unrelated.

 

[un_dhimmi]

Preacher:

Hi there

But in Islam war is waged to establish supremacy of the Lord only when every other argument has failed to convince those who reject His Will and work against the every purpose of the creation of mankind.

Regards
Preacher

So in Islam it is okay to wage war on a country if that country refuses to accept Islam ?

 

[Eetaq]

Jihad is very difficult to wage islamically.

It is not OK to wage war against anyone if they refuse to accpet islam.

If you choose to spread Islam with military might then when reaching the border of a non-muslims country you can give them two options

A) become muslim, thus agreeing to pay zakat and sadaqah.
B) stay with your religion, but agree to pay the jizya

Should they choose to fight you then you can attack only until they agree to these, and should they agree to one of the options then you must immediately stop the fighting.

 

[Booklover]

Preacher:

Hi there

But in Islam war is waged to establish supremacy of the Lord only when every other argument has failed to convince those who reject His Will and work against the every purpose of the creation of mankind.

Regards
Preacher

And I suppose that Muslims are the only ones that know God’s will, right? Do you have God’s fax number and email address?

 

[ekim61]

Eetaq:

Jihad is very difficult to wage islamically.

It is not OK to wage war against anyone if they refuse to accpet islam.

If you choose to spread Islam with military might then when reaching the border of a non-muslims country you can give them two options

A) become muslim, thus agreeing to pay zakat and sadaqah.
B) stay with your religion, but agree to pay the jizya

Should they choose to fight you then you can attack only until they agree to these, and should they agree to one of the options then you must immediately stop the fighting.

So I guess that’s what happened in London. The British refused to pay.