Daredevil, Season II on Netflix

[Arizona_Mike]

Anyone else watching this?

They again released the entire season at once, making it easy to binge-watch.

An above average superhero series, based on the Marvel character. This season introduces The Punisher (a very good performance by the actor who played Shane on The Walking Dead) and Elektra. The rest of the cast is also very good.

Very violent, some rough language, and some sexual innuendo, so I would not recommend it for children.

Matthew (Daredevil) remains a very moral character, who seeks justice but will not kill, even risking his own life to do so. He is also an openly Catholic character, whose beliefs inform his action, and who frequently makes reference to his Catholicism. The priest who is his confessor does not show up as often as in the first season but continues to be Matt’s moral compass. There’s an interesting extended sequence where he and Frank Castle (The Punisher) argue over the morality of killing (Frank was raised Catholic as well, we learn) as Matt argues for the possibility of reform and repentance for all.

 

[phil19034]

I watched it and very much enjoyed it. I loved how Matt asked eagerly if Punisher still when to Mass, trying to bring him back to his faith.

However, Matt also finally realizes that in the end, both Punisher and Electra must walk their own paths and he can’t make those choices for them. All he can do is show them there is another way.

It was very good, and much better than “Jessica Jones.” “Jessica Jones” introduced lesbians for no good plot reasons other than have a token LGBT character.

 

[dmar198]

Anyone else watching this?

They again released the entire season at once, making it easy to binge-watch.

An above average superhero series, based on the Marvel character. This season introduces The Punisher (a very good performance by the actor who played Shane on The Walking Dead) and Elektra. The rest of the cast is also very good.

Very violent, some rough language, and some sexual innuendo, so I would not recommend it for children.

Matthew (Daredevil) remains a very moral character, who seeks justice but will not kill, even risking his own life to do so. He is also an openly Catholic character, whose beliefs inform his action, and who frequently makes reference to his Catholicism. The priest who is his confessor does not show up as often as in the first season but continues to be Matt’s moral compass. There’s an interesting extended sequence where he and Frank Castle (The Punisher) argue over the morality of killing (Frank was raised Catholic as well, we learn) as Matt argues for the possibility of reform and repentance for all.

I’m watching it, and I do appreciate the heavy influence of Catholicism, but on that front it is quite a mixed bag. Daredevil is definitely a sexual playboy in the first part of Season 1, IMO, and his Catholicism didn’t seem to influence that part of his life at all. He doesn’t even repent for his actions when he goes to Confession, but rather informs his priest that he will continue. (He isn’t given absolution from what I can see.)

The rooftop scene with the Punisher was intense when they were arguing over morality. As part of the plot the Punisher ducktapes a gun to Daredevil’s hand with one bullet and proceeds to beat up and slowly kill a former bad guy in front of him. Punisher wants Daredevil to shoot at Punisher and shoot to kill as he tells him every part of his body other than his head is armored. (Which was stupid, because he wasn’t wearing any armor and it was obvious.) Daredevil is chained up and keeps on insisting that he won’t kill anyone, but it seems to me that Catholic theology permits lethal force in such a situation if it’s a last resort. (Daredevil didn’t realize until it was too late that he could shoot his own chain and then tackle Punisher.) I kept thinking, You’re a superhero with a strong quasi-Catholic moral code, why don’t you know about the principle of just cause!

So far I’m about a third of the way through the new season, I think.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

You also hear Matt say the Hail Mary over the bedside of a wounded friend.

Matt’s not a perfect Catholic, obviously, but who is?

 

[Kithrus]

The only reason he doest kill is because it’s too easy. He doesn’t want to get started. It’s not that he can’t morally justify it it’s because he’s so powerful. If daredevil kills where does it stop.

 

[phil19034]

I’m watching it, and I do appreciate the heavy influence of Catholicism, but on that front it is quite a mixed bag. Daredevil is definitely a sexual playboy in the first part of Season 1, IMO, and his Catholicism didn’t seem to influence that part of his life at all. He doesn’t even repent for his actions when he goes to Confession, but rather informs his priest that he will continue. (He isn’t given absolution from what I can see.)

The rooftop scene with the Punisher was intense when they were arguing over morality. As part of the plot the Punisher ducktapes a gun to Daredevil’s hand with one bullet and proceeds to beat up and slowly kill a former bad guy in front of him. Punisher wants Daredevil to shoot at Punisher and shoot to kill as he tells him every part of his body other than his head is armored. (Which was stupid, because he wasn’t wearing any armor and it was obvious.) Daredevil is chained up and keeps on insisting that he won’t kill anyone, but it seems to me that Catholic theology permits lethal force in such a situation if it’s a last resort. (Daredevil didn’t realize until it was too late that he could shoot his own chain and then tackle Punisher.) I kept thinking, You’re a superhero with a strong quasi-Catholic moral code, why don’t you know about the principle of just cause!

So far I’m about a third of the way through the new season, I think.

In the first season, Matt wasn’t as strong in his faith as he later becomes. The more he puts on the mask, the more devout he becomes. Notice, he controlled himself (as best as he could) with Karen and even Electra.

He’s also knows he can’t truly confess his sins if he’s going to continue sinning. So he uses the priest more as his spiritual director. He believes what he is doing is sinful, but he also believes he’s being called to do it. It’s a major conflict for him and refraining from killing is the best way he can hold onto his humanity. Even if it costs him a rib, bone, or even his life. He knows he doesn’t have to use the lethal force because of his skills. So he doesn’t.

Again, this show is so much better than “Jessica Jones” which threw in homosexuality for the sake of doing it.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

In the first season, Matt wasn’t as strong in his faith as he later becomes. The more he puts on the mask, the more devout he becomes. Notice, he controlled himself (as best as he could) with Karen and even Electra.

He’s also knows he can’t truly confess his sins if he’s going to continue sinning. So he uses the priest more as his spiritual director. He believes what he is doing is sinful, but he also believes he’s being called to do it. It’s a major conflict for him and refraining from killing is the best way he can hold onto his humanity. Even if it costs him a rib, bone, or even his life. He knows he doesn’t have to use the lethal force because of his skills. So he doesn’t.

Again, this show is so much better than “Jessica Jones” which threw in homosexuality for the sake of doing it.

Good insights.

Drama relies on a conflicted protagonist, so it would be less interesting if he were a totally perfect character.

He may also have been unable to shoot Castle to save the hoodlum’s life because he sees himself and Castle as two halves of the same coin - what Daredevil would become if he abandoned his faith and moral code.

 

[anon67074017]

It is surprising that Disney portrays Catholicism positively in this show. I thought they were against Christianity. It is good that Disney can cater to Christians.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

I’ve heard that Marvel plans to use the actors in its TV production in their movies if need be, rather than casting an entirely new actor as DC does (e.g., the Flash on the TV show, did not play the Flash in the Batman v. Superman movie and will not play the Flash in the upcoming Justice League movie.)

If so, maybe Matty will get to do some scenes in a film with Scarlett Johansson, and we will see another version of the Punisher on film.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Ninjas pretty much exist in the popular media to attack the hero and always get beaten down.

 

[phil19034]

It is surprising that Disney portrays Catholicism positively in this show. I thought they were against Christianity. It is good that Disney can cater to Christians.

They have to in order to remain true to Daredevil’s portrayal in the comics.

Marvel didn’t want to screw up *Daredevil *on Netflix the same way the *Daredevil *movie with Ben Affleck was. In the movie, Matt/Daredevil wasn’t afraid of killing and had no problem even letting one criminal get hit by the subway train.

In the Ben Affleck movie, he then has a change of heart because he scares a kid, not because of his Catholic religious beliefs.

Matt’s Catholic faith roots the character in his avoidance from becoming a judge and executioner. The movie screwed that up and was blasted for it by the Marvel Comic fans.

 

[anon67074017]

They have to in order to remain true to Daredevil’s portrayal in the comics.

Marvel didn’t want to screw up *Daredevil *on Netflix the same way the *Daredevil *movie with Ben Affleck was. In the movie, Matt/Daredevil wasn’t afraid of killing and had no problem even letting one criminal get hit by the subway train.

In the Ben Affleck movie, he then has a change of heart because he scares a kid, not because of his Catholic religious beliefs.

Matt’s Catholic faith roots the character in his avoidance from becoming a judge and executioner. The movie screwed that up and was blasted for it by the Marvel Comic fans.

It is good that the portrayal is accurate.

 

[phil19034]

I’ve heard that Marvel plans to use the actors in its TV production in their movies if need be, rather than casting an entirely new actor as DC does (e.g., the Flash on the TV show, did not play the Flash in the Batman v. Superman movie and will not play the Flash in the upcoming Justice League movie.)

If so, maybe Matty will get to do some scenes in a film with Scarlett Johansson, and we will see another version of the Punisher on film.

I’m sure the main thing keeping Black Widow away from Netflix is Scarlett Johansson. I would image that if she wanted to be in a Netflix series or episode, they would create a story line to make it work.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

I’m sure the main thing keeping Black Widow away from Netflix is Scarlett Johansson. I would image that if she wanted to be in a Netflix series or episode, they would create a story line to make it work.

I was thinking more along the lines of Daredevil appearing in a Hollywood film, like another Avengers movie.

They’ve already referenced the events in the 1st Avengers movie in the DD Netflix series, so they seem to exist in the same continuity.

 

[phil19034]

I was thinking more along the lines of Daredevil appearing in a Hollywood film, like another Avengers movie.

They’ve already referenced the events in the 1st Avengers movie in the DD Netflix series, so they seem to exist in the same continuity.

The only place I would guess that we MIGHT see some of the Netflix characters cross over into the movies with the Avengers is in one or both of the *Avengers Infinity War *movies.

 

[dmar198]

I’ve heard that Marvel plans to use the actors in its TV production in their movies if need be, rather than casting an entirely new actor as DC does (e.g., the Flash on the TV show, did not play the Flash in the Batman v. Superman movie and will not play the Flash in the upcoming Justice League movie.)

It is worth noting that the Marvel is involved with both Sony Pictures and Disney Pictures, and they use different actors to represent Quicksilver in the X-Men films and in the Avengers films. DC doesn’t have the excuse of saying that copyright problems prevent them from using the same actor, but I think it is a parallel problem, since Marvel’s logo appears with both versions of Quicksilver.

 

[phil19034]

It is worth noting that the Marvel is involved with both Sony Pictures and Disney Pictures, and they use different actors to represent Quicksilver in the X-Men films and in the Avengers films. DC doesn’t have the excuse of saying that copyright problems prevent them from using the same actor, but I think it is a parallel problem, since Marvel’s logo appears with both versions of Quicksilver.

Yes, but that’s because Quicksilver is shared between both the X-Men movie universe (FOX) and the Marvel Cinematic Universes; which are the same universes.

As of now, Quicksilver is the only character shared between FOX and the MCU.

 

[Gordon_Sims]

Yes, but that’s because Quicksilver is shared between both the X-Men movie universe (FOX) and the Marvel Cinematic Universes; which are the same universes.

As of now, Quicksilver is the only character shared between FOX and the MCU.

I thought Scarlet Witch was in the X-Men movies as well. Either way, what it comes down to is rights. Years ago, back when Marvel was yet again about to declare bankruptcy, they sold the movie rights to a bunch of their characters in order to stay solvent. When they sold the rights, they sold packages as opposed to individual characters so when you bought the rights to the Fantastic Four, you got the rights to them and their affiliated characters (Galactus, Silver Surfer, Herbie the robot, etc.). Some of those deals eventually ran out and the rights reverted to Marvel, who was later purchased by Disney. Others remained with other companies. Whether by purchasing them directly or by acquiring the companies who had purchased them, Fox ended up with the rights to the X-Men and, very regrettably, the Fantastic Four. Sony held the rights to Spider-Man. From what I understand, when they wrote up the contracts for their various properties, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were somehow included with both the X-Men and the Avengers. As such, Fox and Marvel are both legally allowed to include both characters in their films. They don’t share universes and the characters aren’t the same, so if one dies in an Avengers movie, that has no bearing on an X-Men movie.

As far as Daredevil goes, I thought S2 was even better than S1. I can’t wait for S3 and I hope Netflix starts releasing more than two series per year.

Regarding the movies vs. TV, the MCU is the same universe as both the shows on ABC and on Netflix. If Marvel was going to include the TV characters in the movies (there’s some indications that they’re planning on at least some crossover), I’m pretty confident they’d do what they could to use the same actors. Not only does it maintain continuity but since Zach Snyder has nothing to do with Marvel, they don’t have some idiot with his own misconstrued takes on the characters standing in the way of using the same actors.

 

[tomarin]

I thought Scarlet Witch was in the X-Men movies as well. Either way, what it comes down to is rights. Years ago, back when Marvel was yet again about to declare bankruptcy, they sold the movie rights to a bunch of their characters in order to stay solvent. When they sold the rights, they sold packages as opposed to individual characters so when you bought the rights to the Fantastic Four, you got the rights to them and their affiliated characters (Galactus, Silver Surfer, Herbie the robot, etc.). Some of those deals eventually ran out and the rights reverted to Marvel, who was later purchased by Disney. Others remained with other companies. Whether by purchasing them directly or by acquiring the companies who had purchased them, Fox ended up with the rights to the X-Men and, very regrettably, the Fantastic Four. Sony held the rights to Spider-Man. From what I understand, when they wrote up the contracts for their various properties, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were somehow included with both the X-Men and the Avengers. As such, Fox and Marvel are both legally allowed to include both characters in their films. They don’t share universes and the characters aren’t the same, so if one dies in an Avengers movie, that has no bearing on an X-Men movie.

As far as Daredevil goes, I thought S2 was even better than S1. I can’t wait for S3 and I hope Netflix starts releasing more than two series per year.

Regarding the movies vs. TV, the MCU is the same universe as both the shows on ABC and on Netflix. If Marvel was going to include the TV characters in the movies (there’s some indications that they’re planning on at least some crossover), I’m pretty confident they’d do what they could to use the same actors. Not only does it maintain continuity but since Zach Snyder has nothing to do with Marvel, they don’t have some idiot with his own misconstrued takes on the characters standing in the way of using the same actors.

Herbie the robot, ha! I’m still waiting for him to get his own series on Netflix.

However, I don’t quite understand your last sentence. Are you saying that it was Snyder’s take on the characters that prevented him from using Grant Gustin as Flash?

 

[Gordon_Sims]

Herbie the robot, ha! I’m still waiting for him to get his own series on Netflix.

However, I don’t quite understand your last sentence. Are you saying that it was Snyder’s take on the characters that prevented him from using Grant Gustin as Flash?

Since Grant Gustin isn’t grizzled and gritty, Snyder wouldn’t even consider him for the movie. Marvel has shown that they don’t mind sharing characters between the movies and TV.