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If anything, I’m a hardened non-committal. As I’ve stated, I’m not trained in biology and not competent to say evolution is true or false. If you want to believe that God created all life with one, big, “Let there be”, you are free as a Catholic to do so. God Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, is perfectly capable of doing it that way, and that position is not in conflict with Genesis. But neither are those in conflict with Genesis who think the evidence of science points to God evolving his creation.
Miguel, I will become an evolutionist if you can answer the following questions on Catholic dogma. Adam was father of the whole human race. Eve had to come from Adam. How do evolutionists explain this.

When and into what did God zap the first soul?

Explain Original Sin.
 
“You need to understand the relationship between “theory” and “fact.” Theories don’t become facts; they explain facts. Evolution is a fact; one theory that explains it is natural selection of genetic variation. That things fall down is a fact; the theory that explains it best is gravity.”
StAnastasia

Darwin proposed his version of evolution as a natural ‘law’ and anyone who is not queasy after reading about his ‘Eureka’ moment where he believes he has found the ‘cause’ for evolution certainly does not have a full grasp of the terrible consequences -

“One day something brought to my recollection Malthus’s “Principles of Population,” which I had read about twelve years before. I thought of his clear exposition of “the positive checks to increase”—disease, accidents, war, and famine—which keep down the population of savage races to so much lower an average than that of civilized peoples. It then occurred to me that these causes or their equivalents are continually acting in the case of animals also… because in every generation the inferior would inevitably be killed off and the
superior would remain—that is, the fittest would survive.… The more I thought over it the more I became convinced that I had at length found the long-sought-for law of nature that solved the problem of the origin of species.” Charles Darwin

What Darwin does is adapt a quasi-political social commentary based on racial supremacy to biological evolution and if any person,be they Christian or not,is not shocked at the consequences and I mean truly shocked,then God help us all

Anyone care to see what Malthus wrote ? -

ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/malthus/malthus.3.html

Would they like to see who also came to the same conclusion ? -

“Without consideration of traditions and prejudices, Germany must find the courage to gather our people and their strength for an advance along the road that will lead this people from its present restricted living space to new land and soil, and hence also free it from the danger of vanishing from the earth or of serving others as a slave nation. The National Socialist Movement must strive to eliminate the disproportion between our population and our area—viewing this latter as a source of food as well as a basis for power politics—between our historical past and the hopelessness of our present impotence” Mein Kampf

Darwin’s version of evolution is a symptom of a bigger problem that emerged in the late 17th century and it actually began with Newton’s ‘laws of motion’ where he arrived at a conclusion and distorted the original astronomical principles and insights to suit his conclusion.While the empiricists,and Newton is the major figure in that ‘scientific method’ approach, claim Galileo as one of their own,Galileo knew the dangers of drawing conclusions and distorting observations to fit the conclusions -

" I know; such men do not deduce their conclusion from its premises or establish it by reason, but they accommodate (I should have said discommode and distort) the premises and reasons to a conclusion which for them is already established and nailed down. No good can come of dealing with such people, especially to the extent that their company may be not only unpleasant but dangerous." Galileo

I am furious with my fellow Christians for allowing this situation to arise and not with what scientists say about Christ and Christianity.I understand the technical details of what Newton did in order to diminish the works of Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo and insert his own agenda into astronomy and if Darwin’s explicit statement on where he arrived at his conclusion is not enough to shake Christians out of their apathy then nothing will.
 
Then let me reword this, no Father ever suggested an evolution of created things. All that seem to be disputed is the word Day. That said 99.9% were six day interpreters. None were 15, 000,000,000 years merchants.
Cassini, 13.7 billion years ago, to be more precise.
 
originally posted** by cassini**
How could there be a six day evolution of all flora and fauna?
Since God is not in our time zone but out of time - six days could take on a whole new meaning. Only G-d knows.
originally posted** by oriel16**
“You need to understand the relationship between “theory” and “fact.” Theories don’t become facts; they explain facts. Evolution is a fact; one theory that explains it is natural selection of genetic variation. That things fall down is a fact; the theory that explains it best is gravity.”
StAnastasia
The Webster’s dictionary defines theory as a hypothesis, conjecture or guess, speculation, scheme - a formulation of apparent relationships or underlying principles of certain observed phenomena which has been verified to some degree.
 
Funny, isn’t it, the Copernicans used that same passage to try to defend their heresy. Please do not use the words of a Father that can contradict the beliefs and writings of that same Father. St Augustine believed in IMMEDIATE creation, that is all in one day whereas the rest believed in a six-day creation. Exactly what absurdities St Augusting was addressing he does not say but it certainly was not aimed at the doctrine of creation. Perhaps flat-earthers (the Bible states the earth is a globe), turtle rests for the earth or something like that.
When you read the quotations below from St. Augustine please wat ch for these themes. While he did believe in immediate creation he also was quick to warn that subsequent new information could cause us to rethink Genesis and that we should be open to this so that we can change our position to accomodate scripture and not the other way around.
  1. Augustine stresses that his interpretation of Genesis 1-3 is literal and not metaphorical or allegorical
Augustine had tried his hand earlier at interpretation of Genesis (A Commentary on Genesis: Two Books against the Manichees) and adopted a more allegorical method. He later came to reject that method and in this more mature work, written in his late fifties just before The City of God, he is concerned “to discuss Sacred Scriptures according to the plain meaning of the historical facts, not according to future events which they foreshadow” (p. 39). Given his strong commitment to literal interpretation, it is fascinating to recognize that the outcome bears absolutely no resemblance to modern literal interpretations. For example, he concludes that in Genesis I the terms “light,” “day,” and “morning” bear a spiritual, rather than physical, meaning. Yet for Augustine, spiritual light is just as literal as physical light, and the creation of spiritual light is just as much a historical event or fact as the creation of physical light. What is literal for one person may not be literal for others.
  1. Augustine claims that the interpretation of Genesis I is not at all obvious and is fraught with difficulties.
Commitment to a literal interpretation does not solve all problems, nor does it lock the exegete into only one reading of the text. Perhaps more than any other interpreter, Augustine was painfully aware of the difficulties of the text. On point after point he lays out the various possibilities and often does not know how to commit himself. He freely acknowledges the many problems and options. He says that he has

worked out and presented the statements of the book of Genesis in a variety of ways according to my ability; and, in interpreting words that have been written obscurely for the purpose of stimulating our thought, I have not rashly taken my stand on one side against a rival interpretation which might possibly be better. I have thought that each one, in keeping with his powers of understanding, should choose the interpretation that he can grasp. Where he cannot understand Holy Scripture, let him glorify " and fear for himself. (pp. 43-44, emphasis mine)

He further observes that “It is a laborious and difficult task for the powers of our human understanding to see clearly the meaning of the sacred writer in the matter of these six days” (p. 103). How different is his attitude than those who, disregarding the labors of many of the church’s greatest minds over the past two millennia, have convinced themselves that the fundamental interpretation of Genesis 1-3 is perfectly obvious. If we follow Augustine’s lead, we will be very careful before using the words “the clear teaching of Scripture” in connection with these chapters.
  1. .Augustine claims that we ought to be willing to change our minds about the interpretation of Genesis 1-3,
    particularly as new information comes to light.
Consistent with the claim that Genesis 1-3 is difficult and obscure, Augustine repeatedly urges restraint, flexibility, openness to new interpretations, and openness to new knowledge that may provide insight into the text. He says that “in matters that are obscure and far beyond our vision … we should not rush in headlong and so firmly take our stand on one side that, if further progress in the search of truth justly undermines this position, we too fall with it. That would be to battle not for the teaching of Holy Scripture but for our own, wishing its teaching to conform to ours, whereas we ought to wish ours to conform to that of Sacred Scripture” (p. 41).
 
When you read the quotations below from St. Augustine please wat ch for these themes. While he did believe in immediate creation he also was quick to warn that subsequent new information could cause us to rethink Genesis and that we should be open to this so that we can change our position to accomodate scripture and not the other way around.
  1. Augustine stresses that his interpretation of Genesis 1-3 is literal and not metaphorical or allegorical
Augustine had tried his hand earlier at interpretation of Genesis (A Commentary on Genesis: Two Books against the Manichees) and adopted a more allegorical method. He later came to reject that method and in this more mature work, written in his late fifties just before The City of God, he is concerned “to discuss Sacred Scriptures according to the plain meaning of the historical facts, not according to future events which they foreshadow” (p. 39). Given his strong commitment to literal interpretation, it is fascinating to recognize that the outcome bears absolutely no resemblance to modern literal interpretations. For example, he concludes that in Genesis I the terms “light,” “day,” and “morning” bear a spiritual, rather than physical, meaning. Yet for Augustine, spiritual light is just as literal as physical light, and the creation of spiritual light is just as much a historical event or fact as the creation of physical light. What is literal for one person may not be literal for others.
  1. Augustine claims that the interpretation of Genesis I is not at all obvious and is fraught with difficulties.
Commitment to a literal interpretation does not solve all problems, nor does it lock the exegete into only one reading of the text. Perhaps more than any other interpreter, Augustine was painfully aware of the difficulties of the text. On point after point he lays out the various possibilities and often does not know how to commit himself. He freely acknowledges the many problems and options. He says that he has

worked out and presented the statements of the book of Genesis in a variety of ways according to my ability; and, in interpreting words that have been written obscurely for the purpose of stimulating our thought, I have not rashly taken my stand on one side against a rival interpretation which might possibly be better. I have thought that each one, in keeping with his powers of understanding, should choose the interpretation that he can grasp. Where he cannot understand Holy Scripture, let him glorify " and fear for himself. (pp. 43-44, emphasis mine)

He further observes that “It is a laborious and difficult task for the powers of our human understanding to see clearly the meaning of the sacred writer in the matter of these six days” (p. 103). How different is his attitude than those who, disregarding the labors of many of the church’s greatest minds over the past two millennia, have convinced themselves that the fundamental interpretation of Genesis 1-3 is perfectly obvious. If we follow Augustine’s lead, we will be very careful before using the words “the clear teaching of Scripture” in connection with these chapters.
  1. .Augustine claims that we ought to be willing to change our minds about the interpretation of Genesis 1-3,
    particularly as new information comes to light.
Consistent with the claim that Genesis 1-3 is difficult and obscure, Augustine repeatedly urges restraint, flexibility, openness to new interpretations, and openness to new knowledge that may provide insight into the text. He says that “in matters that are obscure and far beyond our vision … we should not rush in headlong and so firmly take our stand on one side that, if further progress in the search of truth justly undermines this position, we too fall with it. That would be to battle not for the teaching of Holy Scripture but for our own, wishing its teaching to conform to ours, whereas we ought to wish ours to conform to that of Sacred Scripture” (p. 41).
Not that the church shouldn’t be examinig scientific discoveries but:
If the Genesis creation account is metaphorical, then could the account of John 6 where JESUS commands us to eat His flesh and drink His blood also be metaphorical and be justification for
Protestant unbelief in the sacraments?
This is where the “HOLY SPIRIT” guides us into all truth.
WHO can prove to me that there is a GOD except the
“HOLY SPIRIT” of GOD which I believe was instantly breathed into the human race.
Is it impossible for GOD to do that or is it impossible for some to believe that GOD did that?
The last sentence of the following scripture reminds me to keep my search for life answers in the proper perspective and it is not an accusation towards you, KSCRAWLER or anyone else who is searching like me.
GOD BLESS
Steve

ist Corinthians chapter 2
18 Let no man deceive himself: if any man among you seem to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written: I will catch the wise in their own craftiness. 20 And again: The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
 
OOPS----should be chapter 3 not chapter 2
Sorry 'bout that.

ist Corinthians chapter 3---------not 2
18 Let no man deceive himself: if any man among you seem to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written: I will catch the wise in their own craftiness. 20 And again: The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
 
Can I ask one dumb question? OK, make that two, because I just used up my first.

The Holy Father has said that he wants the Vatican’s Institute on Culture on board with this research. On a number of occasions he and John Paul II stated that evolution and faith were not mutually exclusive.

He keeps reminding us that faith and reason belong together.

Since the Church is not a democracy, why are we debating whether this is the way to go or not?

The Vatican has spoken. “Roma locutus est.”

This debate about should we or shouldn’t we go this route will not change anything.

I would prefer to see us discuss what we already know and what we would like to know. That would be a good use of reason and faith. Another interesting take on this subject would be a metaphysical interpretation of Genesis that leaves open the posibility to natural ovolution. Those are discussions that we call all learn from, not just sit around expressing opinions about something where our opinion has not been requested and I don’t think that the Pope really cares. Maybe that’s just me.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
Can I ask one dumb question? OK, make that two, because I just used up my first.

The Holy Father has said that he wants the Vatican’s Institute on Culture on board with this research. On a number of occasions he and John Paul II stated that evolution and faith were not mutually exclusive.

He keeps reminding us that faith and reason belong together.

Since the Church is not a democracy, why are we debating whether this is the way to go or not?

The Vatican has spoken. “Roma locutus est.”

This debate about should we or shouldn’t we go this route will not change anything.

I would prefer to see us discuss what we already know and what we would like to know. That would be a good use of reason and faith. Another interesting take on this subject would be a metaphysical interpretation of Genesis that leaves open the posibility to natural ovolution. Those are discussions that we call all learn from, not just sit around expressing opinions about something where our opinion has not been requested and I don’t think that the Pope really cares. Maybe that’s just me.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
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I am a relatively new catholic convert who wants to follow the church teaching. Where can I find the latest official church teaching on this matter?
 
I am a relatively new catholic convert who wants to follow the church teaching. Where can I find the latest official church teaching on this matter?
Pope Benedict XVI addressed the Pontifical Committe on Science and Culture and he closed with this statement.

Distinguished Academicians, I wish to conclude by recalling the words addressed to you by my predecessor Pope John Paul II in November 2003: “scientific truth, which is itself a participation in divine Truth, can help philosophy and theology to understand ever more fully the human person and God’s Revelation about man, a Revelation that is completed and perfected in Jesus Christ. For this important mutual enrichment in the search for the truth and the benefit of mankind, I am, with the whole Church, profoundly grateful”.

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2008/october/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20081031_academy-sciences_en.html

Observe how Benedict quotes John Paul’s statement that scientific truth is a participation in divine Truth. Also observe that he says that science can help philosophy and theology better understand revelation.

He’s not saying that science is revelation, but it is a tool to understand revelation better than we have in the past.

He is also grateful that scientists are involved in the search for truth. This is an encouragement to all Catholics to be grateful. This does not mean that we have to accept the atheistic baggage, only the parts that help us understand what has been revealed.

The entire speech is short and very profound. You may enjoy reading it. I hope.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
I am a relatively new catholic convert who wants to follow the church teaching. Where can I find the latest official church teaching on this matter?
The Church was unable to deal with the emergence of empirical ideologies in the late 17th century which undermine some of the great Christian advances in science.Even today when time lapse footage of the outer planets,allied with the texts of Copernicus and Galileo clearly show how Copernicus arrived at his conclusion for the orbital motion of the Earth,there is nobody defending this against the utterly silly view of Newton -

apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

“In this arrangement, therefore, we discover a marvelous symmetry of the universe, and an established harmonious linkage between the motion of the spheres and their size, such as can be found in no other way. For this permits a not inattentive student to perceive why the forward and backward arcs appear greater in Jupiter than in Saturn and smaller than in Mars, and on the other hand greater in Venus than in Mercury. This reversal in direction appears more frequently in Saturn than in Jupiter, and also more rarely in Mars and Venus than in Mercury…
All these phenomena proceed from the same cause, which is in the earth’s motion.” Copernicus De Revolutionibus.

: “In the Ptolemaic hypotheses there are the diseases, and the
Copernican their cure. . . . With Ptolemy it is necessary to assign to the celestial bodies contrary movements, and make everything move from east to west and at the same time from west to east, whereas with Copernicus all celestial revolutions are in one direction, from west to east. And what are we to say of the apparent movement of a planet, so uneven that it not only goes fast at one time and slow at another, but sometimes stops entirely and even goes backward a long way after doing so? To save these appearances, Ptolemy introduces vast epicycles, adapting them one by one to each planet, with certain rules about incongruous motions – all of which can be done away with by one very simple motion of the Earth.” Galileo

Newton distorted these brilliant insights by creating a hypothetical observer on the Sun to account for retrograde motions in order to get his ‘laws’ of motion to work -

“For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are always seen direct…” Newton

I would like to know why my Church keeps apologizing to empiricists who themselves have mangled the main arguments for solar system structure .The way Darwin adapted a social commentary based on racial supremacy is outrageous yet it remains unchallenged by Christians in any meaningful way.I actually know the root cause and the technical details yet I will be kicked out of this forum as I was before for attempting to explain why these empirical ‘laws’ are dangerous while people celebrate them.
 
I would like to know why my Church keeps apologizing to empiricists who themselves have mangled the main arguments for solar system structure .
Father Benedict Groeschel made an interesting comment last night. I’m quoting him, so don’t blame me for his wording. He said, “To say that the Church said this or that is the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard. The Church is two billion people. The Pope said or the Vatican said is more precise and accurate. When we say it that way, we put things into context and we can understand them better.”

I think that we have to put things into context. When Popes apologize to empiricists they are not necessarily telling them that they are right about every hypothesis that they place on the table. More often than not, there was some truth in what they put on the table and Church authorities refused to listen. Had they listened, they may have been able to help steer the discussion toward a fuller understanding of truth. In that case, these people deserve an apology, because they were dismissed as if they had nothing of value to say.

In other cases, the Popes have apologized because the individual scientists, even though they made mistakes, had very good intentions and were misjudged and often mistreated by the authorities in the Church and by other Catholics. No one deserves to be misjudged or mistreated, much less to have their reputations smeared as happened to many scientists of the past. It is proper that the Pope apologize in the name of those who violated charity and justice in such a fashion.

May the answer to your question is that “the Church” apologizes because she is humble; therefore, she can admit when she has treated people with condescension and even cruelty.

That’s very human. We all do that at some point in our lives and we all need to learn to go back and apologize. Whether the person was 100% right or only 25% right, they do not deserve to be treated badly.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
Not that the church shouldn’t be examinig scientific discoveries but:
If the Genesis creation account is metaphorical, then could the account of John 6 where JESUS commands us to eat His flesh and drink His blood also be metaphorical and be justification for
Protestant unbelief in the sacraments?
This is where the “HOLY SPIRIT” guides us into all truth.
WHO can prove to me that there is a GOD except the
“HOLY SPIRIT” of GOD which I believe was instantly breathed into the human race.
Is it impossible for GOD to do that or is it impossible for some to believe that GOD did that?
The last sentence of the following scripture reminds me to keep my search for life answers in the proper perspective and it is not an accusation towards you, KSCRAWLER or anyone else who is searching like me.
GOD BLESS
Steve

I have no doubt of your sincerity. Nor do I doubt your passion for the issue. I don’t have the same passion as you because the issue of evolution does not affect my faith in any way. Currently I believe the evidence weighs heavily in evidence of evolution, and I find nothing in scripture, (nor does the Church) that would make evolution incompatible with my faith.

But if tomorow incontrovertible evidence of spontaneous creation were to occur, for me I would simply say, “well I was wrong all along, I wonder what’s for lunch”. God may have used evolution, he may not have used evolution. Science seems to point toward the fact that God did use evolution. It affects my faith not one bit, one way or the other.

There are those who use evolution to advance their atheistic agenda. I think they are mistaken in doing so, but their use of evolution does not in and of itself make evolution incorrect.

As far as certain portions of the Bible being metaphorical, well there certainly are metaphorical passages in the Bible. That’s why biblical exegesis is not meant for the common man, but should be done through the magisterium of the Church as guided by the holy spirit.
 
Not that the church shouldn’t be examinig scientific discoveries but:
If the Genesis creation account is metaphorical, then could the account of John 6 where JESUS commands us to eat His flesh and drink His blood also be metaphorical and be justification for
Protestant unbelief in the sacraments?
This is a very intelligent question. To answer it one has to undestand the intent of the author. The authors of Genesis were not interested in explaining the mechanics of creation. That’s the difference. That’s the role of science.

The authors of the Gospel of John were interested in giving a historical and theological account of the Messiaship of Christ. To prove that Christ was the Messiah, they employed signs. Signs in Greek mean proofs. The Eucharist was one of those signs.

When they write about the Eucharist in Chap 6, they are using it as a sign or proof that Christ is the Messiah. For this reason they go to great lengths to explain that the Jews were offended by the idea of eating Christ’s flesh and drinking his blood. Because in Jewish Law this is anathema. Their reaction is the proof that Jesus was speaking literally, not metaphysically. Had he been speaking in symbols, they would not have been scandalized.

That being said, we do use metaphysics to explain how the bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ.

I hope this helps.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
Currently I believe the evidence weighs heavily in evidence of evolution, and I find nothing in scripture, (nor does the Church) that would make evolution incompatible with my faith.

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How about all descending from Adam and Eve, Eve coming from Adam, bodily immortality, freedom from irregular desires and sickness, preternatural gifts, infused knowledge?
 
When you read the quotations below from St. Augustine please wat ch for these themes. While he did believe in immediate creation he also was quick to warn that subsequent new information could cause us to rethink Genesis and that we should be open to this so that we can change our position to accomodate scripture and not the other way around.
  1. Augustine stresses that his interpretation of Genesis 1-3 is literal and not metaphorical or allegorical
Augustine had tried his hand earlier at interpretation of Genesis (A Commentary on Genesis: Two Books against the Manichees) and adopted a more allegorical method. He later came to reject that method and in this more mature work, written in his late fifties just before The City of God, he is concerned “to discuss Sacred Scriptures according to the plain meaning of the historical facts, not according to future events which they foreshadow” (p. 39). Given his strong commitment to literal interpretation, it is fascinating to recognize that the outcome bears absolutely no resemblance to modern literal interpretations. For example, he concludes that in Genesis I the terms “light,” “day,” and “morning” bear a spiritual, rather than physical, meaning. Yet for Augustine, spiritual light is just as literal as physical light, and the creation of spiritual light is just as much a historical event or fact as the creation of physical light. What is literal for one person may not be literal for others.
  1. Augustine claims that the interpretation of Genesis I is not at all obvious and is fraught with difficulties.
Commitment to a literal interpretation does not solve all problems, nor does it lock the exegete into only one reading of the text. Perhaps more than any other interpreter, Augustine was painfully aware of the difficulties of the text. On point after point he lays out the various possibilities and often does not know how to commit himself. He freely acknowledges the many problems and options. He says that he has

worked out and presented the statements of the book of Genesis in a variety of ways according to my ability; and, in interpreting words that have been written obscurely for the purpose of stimulating our thought, I have not rashly taken my stand on one side against a rival interpretation which might possibly be better. I have thought that each one, in keeping with his powers of understanding, should choose the interpretation that he can grasp. Where he cannot understand Holy Scripture, let him glorify " and fear for himself. (pp. 43-44, emphasis mine)

He further observes that “It is a laborious and difficult task for the powers of our human understanding to see clearly the meaning of the sacred writer in the matter of these six days” (p. 103). How different is his attitude than those who, disregarding the labors of many of the church’s greatest minds over the past two millennia, have convinced themselves that the fundamental interpretation of Genesis 1-3 is perfectly obvious. If we follow Augustine’s lead, we will be very careful before using the words “the clear teaching of Scripture” in connection with these chapters.
  1. .Augustine claims that we ought to be willing to change our minds about the interpretation of Genesis 1-3,
    particularly as new information comes to light.
Consistent with the claim that Genesis 1-3 is difficult and obscure, Augustine repeatedly urges restraint, flexibility, openness to new interpretations, and openness to new knowledge that may provide insight into the text. He says that “in matters that are obscure and far beyond our vision … we should not rush in headlong and so firmly take our stand on one side that, if further progress in the search of truth justly undermines this position, we too fall with it. That would be to battle not for the teaching of Holy Scripture but for our own, wishing its teaching to conform to ours, whereas we ought to wish ours to conform to that of Sacred Scripture” (p. 41).
And your saying that this allows Genesis to be interpreted in a manner that is impossible in science and repugnant to Catholic doctrine?
 
In other cases, the Popes have apologized because the individual scientists, even though they made mistakes, had very good intentions and were misjudged and often mistreated by the authorities in the Church and by other Catholics. No one deserves to be misjudged or mistreated, much less to have their reputations smeared as happened to many scientists of the past. It is proper that the Pope apologize in the name of those who violated charity and justice in such a fashion.

JR 🙂
Made mistakes! !! Newton mangled the main argument for solar system structure and I am toughing it out over on the empiricists forums explaining that they turn Galileo into a shill as a means to attack the Church while paying lip service to astronomy via magnification.These people are aggressive in their promotion of the ‘scientific method’ against matters of faith
even as their agenda wrecks the ability of the rest of humanity to appreciate what Copernicus did and Galileo understood.

Now you have Darwin’s version of evolution,which amounts to an applied social commentary on racial supremacy applied to biological evolution as a law and nobody is sick to their stomach when it is explicitly pointed out that this is dangerous.

The trouble is neither Darwin or Newton for they were comfortable with what they proposed and their bogus empirical ‘laws’ have been effective,through their followers, in both undermining the genuine science of evolutionary biology/geology and astronomy while attempting to make Christians look like numbskulls ,and you know what,they are succeeding.

If the Church wants to know what exactly went wrong they should ask me because this is a battle whether you know it or not.Never has Christianity suffered such deprivation at the hands of dummies who cannot even get basic astronomical facts straight.
 
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