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… and the eukaryotes remain as eukaryotes. Hint: Homo sapiens is a eukaryote, our cells have nuclei.
So there were no bacteria before about 4 BCE. Right. Got you.
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Darwin was aboard the “Beagle” at 22 when he voyaged.
Beagles do not exist naturally. Was there a beagle at Creation? Beagles are bred, as are dachshunds, poodles, German shepherds…
Dog breeds are the evidence of evolution.
Beagles do not exist naturally. Was there a beagle at Creation? Beagles are bred, as are dachshunds, poodles, German shepherds…
Dog breeds are the evidence of evolution.
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And that truly nails the problem right on the head. Evolution is a long known axiom in science, plus it in no way runs against there being God as Creator.
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Then that in no way can explain why 1+ billion years ago there were only single-celled organisms and yet we have complex multi-celled organisms today.
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rossum
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False dichotomy. I am Buddhist, so my approach to the Bodhisattva Jesus is very different from the Christian approach. I understand John 1:1 differently.
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Metis1
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That’s not only not true, it’s illogical as it says nothing about evolution one way or another.
Again, the ToE does not negate divine creation as it’s totally neutral on the matter. Plus, most Catholics do accept the fact that life has evolved and that God was behind it all, and I’m certain that this is even more true with Catholic theologians because of their level of education.
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You plainly don’t understand John 1:1 either
@rossum wrote “So there were no bacteria before about 4 BCE. Right. Got you.”
He thinks there was no Jesus before 4B.C.
John 1:1 tells us something more
@rossum wrote “So there were no bacteria before about 4 BCE. Right. Got you.”
He thinks there was no Jesus before 4B.C.
John 1:1 tells us something more
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Evidence of selective breeding, and they are still dogs… and will always be dogs, till the end of the world.
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Let’s be crystal clear here. NO-ONE has, is or is likely to attempt to use evolution as a means to deny God’s existence. But there are some - and they are all Catholics, who are attempting to deny the process of evolution.
I think that you need to check on those within the church before you start casting aspersions on those outside it.
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Jesus “reborn”, you say @rossum
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Read John 1:1, “In the beginning was the Word, (He) was with God and (He) was God” and through Him all things were created Colossians 1:16
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Read John 1:1, “In the beginning was the Word, (He) was with God and (He) was God” and through Him all things were created Colossians 1:16
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I didn’t comment on John 1:1.
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rossum
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What part of “I am Buddhist” do you have a problem with? You are quoting the sacred text of a religion I do not believe in. If you want me to quote scripture then I will quote something from the Tripitaka:
That is why I say Jesus was reborn, because my scripture says so. Yes, in Buddhism all the gods are reborn; there are no immortal gods, though some are very long lived.
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afraid? Wake up.? Why is this so important?
Can you explain the development of novel organs or body parts in a creature that never had them, like wings?
What does the date on the calendar have to do with anything?
Can you explain the development of novel organs or body parts in a creature that never had them, like wings?
What does the date on the calendar have to do with anything?
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You mean like the church teaches, CCC 374 The first man was not only created good, but was also established in friendship with his Creator and in harmony with himself and with the creation around him, in a state that would be surpassed only by the glory of the new creation in Christ.
375 The Church, interpreting the symbolism of biblical language in an authentic way, in the light of the New Testament and Tradition, teaches that our first parents, Adam and Eve, were constituted in an original “state of holiness and justice”. This grace of original holiness was “to share in. . .divine life”.
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Adaptation is also know as micro-evolution. No one argues it. What is unproven is macro-evolution.
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Adam and Eve were real people and is consistent with Church teaching. They were immediately created by God.
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No, they are quit different. Evos argue this by extrapolation.
The fossil record shows abrupt appearance, stasis and variation within,
Ring species? No longer thought to be true.
Why? Because it has not been empirically proven.
Revelation from God easily trumps man made observations and reasoning.
And now we have this:
Sweeping gene survey reveals new facets of evolution
It is textbook biology, for example, that species with large, far-flung populations—think ants, rats, humans—will become more genetically diverse over time.But is that true?
“The answer is no,” said Stoeckle, lead author of the study, published in the journal Human Evolution .
For the planet’s 7.6 billion people, 500 million house sparrows, or 100,000 sandpipers, genetic diversity “is about the same,” he told AFP.
The study’s most startling result, perhaps, is that nine out of 10 species on Earth today, including humans, came into being 100,000 to 200,000 years ago.
“This conclusion is very surprising, and I fought against it as hard as I could,” Thaler told AFP.
“another unexpected finding from the study—species have very clear genetic boundaries, and there’s nothing much in between."
“If individuals are stars, then species are galaxies,” said Thaler. “They are compact clusters in the vastness of empty sequence space.”
The absence of “in-between” species is something that also perplexed Darwin, he said."
Read more at: Sweeping gene survey reveals new facets of evolution
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Eucharistic Liturgy
EUCHARISTIC PRAYER I
Be pleased to look upon these offerings
with a serene and kindly countenance,
and to accept them,
as once you were pleased to accept
the gifts of your servant Abel the just,
the sacrifice of Abraham, our father in faith,
and the offering of your high priest Melchizedek,
a holy sacrifice, a spotless victim.
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rossum
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False. Macro-evolution has been proven. I have given you two examples, in crayfish and lacewings, of new species evolving.
If we can see it happening, then it is a proven fact. Your interpretation of Christian scripture does not stop an observed fact being an observed fact.
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These are examples of variation within.
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