Darwin's Theory of Evolution is not scientific

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LateCatholic:
You need a flue shot every year because the flu virus mutates. This is a foundation principle of evolution.
You asked for an application of evolution today. There you go.
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We call this adaptation.
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Christ on his throne…

Adaptation is part of evolution, man!

You people are wasting your time with this guy… The horse doesn’t want to drink.
 
Vonsalza said:
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buffalo:
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LateCatholic:
You need a flue shot every year because the flu virus mutates. This is a foundation principle of evolution.
You asked for an application of evolution today. There you go.
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We call this adaptation.
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Christ on his throne…

Adaptation is part of evolution, man!

You people are wasting your time with this guy… The horse doesn’t want to drink.
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This is a big forum. I can well imagine people curious about the faith joining up to see what it entails. Then they see an interesting thread like this and have a look. And ten minutes later…

‘Are you kidding me? Is this the level of scientific knowledge that your usual Catholic has? Do they actually believe this stuff about ID and floods? This is seriously not credible. I’m outa here!’

Honestly, if I were the type of guy who wanted to ridicule organised religion, I would be trotting Buffalo and Ed out at every single opportunity. I’d convince them I was on their side, I’d give them a platform to make sure they would be heard by the biggest audience possible and let 'em rip.

Wouldn’t it give someone pause for thought that even an atbeist thinks that they’re an embarressment to their faith?
 
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LateCatholic said:
But what scientist is saying evolution is a religion?
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It’s not that scientists, as such, are making it a philosophy of life; it’s that there really are people out there in general who are doing so.
The problem isn’t that a new religion is emerging, it’s that the preconceived notions of the past are no longer justified.
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I would say that there’s a serious issue when a person takes a scientific theory and makes an ethos out of it.
Are you a Creationist? Evolution proves that world view is false.
Do you believe in Intelligent Design? Evolution proves that world view is false.
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I would say “asserts” more than “proves”. YMMV.
Does evolution say God doesn’t exist? NO
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Evolution as science or evolution as a philosophical basis for an ethos? The latter does say that there is no God.

The problem that Ratzinger is alluding to is that folks are saying “it’s all undirected, with no deity needed (or in existence)” and “there’s no meaning to life – we’re just random specks (or, if you wish, ‘colossal coincidences’) in a vast ocean of space.” This is an ethos – and evolution, per se, doesn’t (and can’t, as a scientific theory!) validly support this approach!
 
edwest211 said:
It’s quite clear that faith is required to believe what scientists thinks happens. But saying, “Just trust us” while standing behind a veil of millions of years of adjustments that were so gradual you can’t see it happening. So, it’s back to ‘just trust us.’
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Good point. When Toto pulls down the “veil”, the Wizard of Oz acting like a kind of god, sending his message down from the clouds, says: “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!”
 
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Bradskii said:
Which is just like evolution. It proposes theories and makes claims on that which is observed and the assumptions that one can draw from those observations.
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Excellent! Changing your position on evolution theories from “undoubtable and obvious facts” to merely “assumptions” moves you closer to reality.

Like the dismembered Black Knight in Monty Python’s “Holy Grail”, evolutionists who ignore the mortal cuts to their arguments, retort: “Tis but a scratch! Come on back and fight, you pansy!”

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Listen,

For all the folks who staunchly deny evolution as the best standing theory on how we physically got here, you’re not doing the Catholic Church or Christianity any favors.

You’re perfectly in-league with the one or two crack-pots left who still advocate geocentrism. As such, the open advocacy of your views in association with your religion damages Christianity much more than it helps it - as Bradskii correctly pointed out.

Evolution is a lot like my repair manual for my Ford that I use fairly often. It explains how I fix my truck like evolution explains how life came to be at the present.
But since it doesn’t explicitly mention God, should I then throw my repair manual out?

C’mon guys. This is waaaaay past pedantic.
 
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Evolution does not explain how we got here. It might hold some truth but, as the Pope’s encyclical said, remains unproven
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Uriel1 said:
So why for 40 years was America telling its people to go low fat diet (high carb) when we now know that to be wrong?

It’s because scientists DO follow one-another (to get research funds perhaps)
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The top sentence is false because the researchers did not say it’s best to go on a high carb diet. Scientific research is continuous, plus we don’t claim omniscience. Often it is difficult to isolate a factor while trying to eliminate other possible causality because all things are interconnected one way or another.

As to the last sentence, some do indeed have some pressures put on them, no doubt, but there are others that are quite willing to call “foul!” if they fudge the data. To be found guilty of fudging is usually the kiss of death for a research scientist, especially at the university level but less so the business level.
 
buffalo said:
Another example is the multiverse. They would have you believe it since it is the atheist escape avenue. They all know it cannot be proven. Take it on blind faith.
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The concept of a multiverse is a “hypothesis” amongst cosmologists, not an axiom, and none of them that I have read claim it’s the latter. .
 
buffalo said:
Another example is the multiverse. They would have you believe it since it is the atheist escape avenue. They all know it cannot be proven. Take it on blind faith.
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Now this is tricky. Because this is effectively an ‘Ed’. That is, assuming something disproves God but which doesn’t and hacking away at it while everyone else looks on in puzzlement. But Ed could equally post something that shoots himself in the foot just as you do (a Buffalo) so I’m given you this as well. You now stand at two Buffalos and one Ed.

Meanwhile…

If there is such a thing as a multiverse (and the maths points to it being a possibility only) then it says nothing about God. And anyone who thought it might disprove God is a moron.

Your problem, should you wish to acknowledge it, is that your scientifically inept Christian (yes, they do exist) will insist that man and his place in the universe, is special because (and this is is their idea) the universe is fine tuned for us.

Now it’s hardly anyone’s fault that some physics (which is waaay over anyone’s head who is posting here) suggests that that is not necessarily the case. It’s just that you picked an argument that science shows MIGHT be false.

Here’s a tip for you which will help you in the debate. When someone brings up the multiverse, don’t try to deny that it exists. Nobody is saying that it definitely does so you will just look silly. Notwithstanding that you (or I) have zero chance of following the maths so saying that it definitely does not will make you look ignorant as well.

Just state in a clear and steady voice (or type in a clear and concise font of your choosing) that THIS universe was specially tuned by God for us.

Then we can all move on.
 
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Not false; it says “low fat” which for nearly everyone means high carbs

That wrong advice, given with inadequate evidence, (one food scientist following another) has damaged the society’s health
 
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o_mlly said:
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Bradskii:
Which is just like evolution. It proposes theories and makes claims on that which is observed and the assumptions that one can draw from those observations.
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Excellent! Changing your position on evolution theories from “undoubtable and obvious facts” to merely “assumptions” moves you closer to reality.
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To keep this as simple as possible, your ‘undoubtable and obvious facts’ are ‘that which are observed’. Which could be directly or indirectly.

And the ‘assumptions’ are what the theory predicts. As in: Based on the facts as observed and the theory as proposed we can assume that X, Y and Z.

This is close to being an intro to fourth grade science.
 
Uriel1 said:
Not false; it says “low fat” which for nearly everyone means high carbs

That wrong advice, given with inadequate evidence, (one food scientist following another) has damaged the society’s health
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A skull was forged. Therefore evolution is wrong!
The speed of light changes through different mediums. Astronomy is a fraud I tells ya!
I’ve been eating lots of carbs and I have gas. The food industry is run by demons!

What next I wonder.
 
Uriel1 said:
Not false; it says “low fat” which for nearly everyone means high carbs
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How someone may interpret a finding is not something we can control, but the fact of the matter is that the researchers simply did not suggest that going high carb was better, so why aren’t you willing to admit you were incorrect? It’s not a sin to admit error, but it is a sin to blame people for what they didn’t say or write (“bearing false witness”).
 
buffalo said:
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Bradskii:
Just state in a clear and steady voice (or type in a clear and concise font of your choosing) that THIS universe was specially tuned by God for us.
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Privileged Species (see 2nd video)
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That’s better. Well, not by much. But at least you don’t look stupid trying to deny something that you don’t understand, which nobody else is proposing as a fact and which doesn’t deny God in any case.

And I loved the first video: Rubbing two sticks together makes them warm…therefore God! I can’t see how anyone could refute that. I can’t wait for the follow up: Blowing on your soup cools it down…therefore God!
 
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Bradskii said:
That’s better. Well, not by much. But at least you don’t look stupid trying to deny something that you don’t understand, which nobody else is proposing as a fact and which doesn’t deny God in any case.
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Did you watch?
 
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