Darwin's Theory of Evolution is not scientific

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Hopefully you have found peace with all of the other threads where you worried about skeptical articles on the Bible, such as was Moses a myth, did the Exodus happen, or when you read that Jesus was maybe walking on blocks of ice and that He didn’t really walk on water.
 
I’m here to learn. You clearly have a problem with my questions and posts, so skip over them.
 
Your creationist sources are lying to you. For example, Ambulocetus is one of many found links we have.

Have a look at Wikipedia’s List of transitional fossils for a lot more found links.

rossum
Hello Rosum,

With all due respect, the “walking whale” Ambulocetus belongs in the evidentiary junk-pile along with all the other strained “proofs” of macroevolution shown on the Wikipedia page. Macroevolution is a mockery to real science and has a level of genuine evidence equivalent to the proof that can be mustered for a flat earth (macroevolution is just fortunate to be propped up with legions of well-funded and religiously dedicated followers).

I’m just a simple minded Protestant myself (apologies to my separated Catholic brethren), and I could only wish we Christians could muster the firm religious faith in our God and His Word that evolutionists have in their belief system.

JustASinner
 
For the most part, he was wrong. If he had limited it to a view that evolution disproves God, that evolution wouldn’t involve God in anyway, or basically any other thing that’s so blatantly obvious in contradicting Catholic belief it really shouldn’t have to be mentioned, he would’ve been okay, but evolution is compatible with Faith.
Thanks. Thought so.
 
p.s. Rossum, please don’t take my prior post personally—it was intended as a diatribe against evolution and not against you. I assume you’re a great guy. Despite my sarcastic rantings, I genuinely respect the followers of all religions and beliefs, including those who hold to the belief system of evolution. I just don’t respect the false beliefs themselves.

Further, I know that many of those who hold to beliefs that I disagree with are great people–and in many cases far better Christians than myself (although, admittedly, being a far better Christian than me isn’t very hard).

I’m out of here for the foreseeable future, so keep searching for the Truth everyone. Acts 17:27 “His purpose was for the nations to seek after God and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him–though he is not far from any one of us.” NLT
 
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With all due respect, the “walking whale” Ambulocetus belongs in the evidentiary junk-pile along with all the other strained “proofs” of macroevolution shown on the Wikipedia page.
With all due respect you are being lied to by your creationist sources. Young Earth creationism has no scientific or evidential support so all they have is lies, and they lie massively.

Macroevolution has been observed many times. The first scientific paper observing the evolution of a new species, which is the definition of macroevolution, was published in 1905 by deVries. For a more recent example see Lyko (2017).

You would also do well to learn the correct use of the word “proof” in science. Basically, reserve “proof” for mathematics, in science use “evidence” in place of “proof”. The Wikipedia article, and many others are evidence for macroevolution.
I could only wish we Christians could muster the firm religious faith in our God and His Word that evolutionists have in their belief system.
You have faith in one particular interpretation of God’s word; there are many others. You do not have faith in God’s World, that He created. You are in the same position as those who denied Galileo because they clung to one of many interpretations of the Word while ignoring the evidence of the World. You are trying to stand on one leg when you should be standing on two. God’s Word and God’s World must be in agreement when correctly interpreted. YEC-style creationism is not a correct interpretation, as is shown by God’s World.

rossum
 
Yes @ottri, I accept that you have a genuine understanding of the meaning of “theory” as a “proposition” or “supposition” and I’m very happy to agree with this.

My concern is with the unscientific attempt of people like Dawkins who claim that evolution (after abiogenesis) is the sole cause of life on earth

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William Scott: we are not separated - you belong to God’s people too. You just associate with a smaller protesting group and you are welcome home to the bigger house any time. God love you
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Hello Rossum,

It turns out I have time for another reply…although this may be the last…
With all due respect you are being lied to by your creationist sources. Young Earth creationism has no scientific or evidential support so all they have is lies, and they lie massively.
No…say it isn’t so.
Macroevolution has been observed many times. The first scientific paper observing the evolution of a new species, which is the definition of macroevolution, was published in 1905 by deVries. For a more recent example see Lyko (2017).
Speciation is a red herring and has nothing to do with the mystical faith of macroevolution. Speciation like microevolution is real science and a key concept embraced by crazy YECers everywhere. (The radicals at Answers in Genesis, for instance, have a long list of articles on the truth of speciation).
You have faith in one particular interpretation of God’s word; there are many others. You do not have faith in God’s World, that He created. You are in the same position as those who denied Galileo because they clung to one of many interpretations of the Word while ignoring the evidence of the World. You are trying to stand on one leg when you should be standing on two. God’s Word and God’s World must be in agreement when correctly interpreted. YEC-style creationism is not a correct interpretation, as is shown by God’s World.
YEC creationism was the belief of the Old Testament saints and the Church universally for almost 1800 years (including St. Augustine, who was a full-blooded YEC, but went too far in his YEC convictions by trying to squeeze the first seven days into one day). I agree completely with you on following the perfectly compatible testimony of God’s world and His Word. Real science speaks volumes regarding the incredible wisdom and power of the One Who reveals Himself intimately to us in Holy Writ and the Sacraments.
 
Yes @ottri, I accept that you have a genuine understanding of the meaning of “theory” as a “proposition” or “supposition” and I’m very happy to agree with this.

My concern is with the unscientific attempt of people like Dawkins who claim that evolution (after abiogenesis) is the sole cause of life on earth

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Speciation is a red herring and has nothing to do with the mystical faith of macroevolution.
In science, speciation and macroevolution are synonyms. Microevolution happens with a species, like humans with blue eyes or brown eyes. Macroevolution is the formation of a new species or higher clade.

Whatever definition of macroevolution you are using, it is not the one science uses.

rossum
 
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In science, speciation and macroevolution are synonyms. Microevolution happens with a species, like humans with blue eyes or brown eyes. Macroevolution is the formation of a new species or higher clade.

Whatever definition of macroevolution you are using, it is not the one science uses.
Defining terms always clarifies issues and is best done before disputation.

So, I ask you to define "evolution’? Is it “A” or “B”? If the definition lies somewhere in between, please give us “C”.

A) "a process whereby organisms change with the passage of time so that descendants differ from their ancestors."

B) "an ideological frame of mind which sees the entire universe in terms of matter-in-development and which consciously denies the existence of spiritual or supernatural reality; all phenomena–scientific, historical, economic, and social–are explainable in exclusively material terms."
 
I suspect we could start by saying that evolution is not a frame of mind. It may be either (when we are speaking of biology) a scientific theory, or the processes and changes that theory explains, but it’s not a frame of mind.
 
So, I ask you to define "evolution’? Is it “A” or “B”? If the definition lies somewhere in between, please give us “C”.

A) “a process whereby organisms change with the passage of time so that descendants differ from their ancestors.”

B) “an ideological frame of mind which sees the entire universe in terms of matter-in-development and which consciously denies the existence of spiritual or supernatural reality; all phenomena–scientific, historical, economic, and social–are explainable in exclusively material terms.”
C) A change in the DNA of an interbreeding population over time.

Your A) includes a lot more than evolution, for example ageing causes organisms to change over time and sex determination causes organisms to differ from half of its ancestors.

Your B) is more applicable to materialism or atheism, and certainly does not apply to Christian biologists like Francis Collins or Ken Miller.

rossum
 
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Darwin’s theory? Why is it that when there is a discussion about evolution in these forums it is always about the version of the theory from over 150 years ago? Over time scientific theories “evolve” as new information is introduced and discovered.
 
Darwin’s theory? Why is it that when there is a discussion about evolution in these forums it is always about the version of the theory from over 150 years ago? Over time scientific theories “evolve” as new information is introduced and discovered
Tying it to one Victorian Englishman is handy for demonisation purposes. It is less easy, and less satisfying, to try to demonise the entire biology academy.

And you may see from these threads that it is also handy to detect the evolution of the theory, because one can then portray it as evidence that the theory is wrong at its root — indeed, with a little imagination, that it is an atheistic (probably Marxist) con trick.
 
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Please let us know his carbon date and DNA sequence. You have previously made claims about Adam’s DNA; show us the supporting evidence please.
Maybe we can do that. What does evolution predict his DNA would look like? What does ID predict his DNA would look like? As compared to ours. If it is pristine will you concede?
 
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