Dating an Atheist

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I saw a plaque that said, “No man is worth crying over, and the one that is, won’t make you cry.” It makes sense. No boyfriend should have you making decisions that are making you stay up at night, crying. That is not love. Instead it is pressure. He is pressuring you to do something you know is wrong. As much as you don’t want to stop dating him, you have to. He does not love you. He loves what you do for him, you give him sex.
Beautiful! If I had daughters I’d be giving them framed copies of that! So simple, and yet so true! Well, you might cry happy tears as you spoke your vows in front of God in the church, but those would still be happy tears.

I hope the OP is reading all of these responses.
 
He was neither bargaining or blackmailing. he was being true to the conclusions he has reached about living a good life. He was sharing them honestly. It could not possibly be ‘all about sex’ if he was willing to abstain for a year. This couple need honest and neutral counseling. we have no right to assume the motives of either party.
I posted earlier and then went out, so just back now.

Many people have addressed this in a much more eloquent way then I can.

I honestly feel it is about sex for him, willing to abstain for a year then what…if she will not sleep with him again he is off? And what about over the course of that year…

I’m not coming at this from a holier than thou viewpoint, believe me I made plenty of mistakes in the past, including sleeping with someone who said if I loved them I would, and believe me when I say it took a long time for me to forgive myself for that…even after confession.
 
He said he’d wait a year, probably because he thinks he can wear down your resistance before that. After all, it happened once.

It doesn’t imply any great sacrifice or compromise on his part.

Be sure to get spiritual counsel before making any decisions.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA
 
You deserve SO much better…
This is exactly right.

You do deserve so much better. You deserve a man who shares your faith and allows you to grow in your faith and grow closer to God.
You deserve a man who doesn’t make you question who you are and makes you do things you aren’t comfortable with.

You don’t deserve a man you will end up desperately praying for everyday.

It will be much tougher to leave him because you had sex with him. It was very tough for me to leave my first relationship because we were sexually active and I thought I loved him…but I loved the physicallity of the relationship and not him.

My husband and I did engage in premarital sex. But we stopped when we got engaged and talked to the priest who married us. It actually helped our relationship immensely because we weren’t tied to each other physically anymore and we had to focus on other parts on our relationship. It also helped that we were coming into the church together…🙂
 
Hello,
I am going to give this to you straight. I am doing this because I am a college aged girl and I don’t want to see you hurt. Let’s face it- you are hurting very badly right now.
  1. This man DOES NOT love you.
    His love comes with a condition. To be with you he must have sex. He coercing you to be with him. If you truly loved you unconditionally he would never put you in this situation. Look at the biblical command of how husbands are to love their wives. Ephesians 5. His love is supposed to look like Christ’s love for us. How did Christ show us his love? He DIED for us! This man won’t even go 12 months without a fleeing physical pleasure. So let’s say you don’t break up and you end up marrying. What’s going to happen after you have a child and can’t physically be sexually active for long periods of time? What’s going to happen if because of injury or illness you can NEVER have sex again? Will he stay or will he throw you aside? Or will he have an affair?
  2. This man DOES NOT respect you.
    He knows you are Catholic. He knows you are devout. He knows you view sex as a mortal sin. He knows that means you believe that you may suffer an eternity of torment because of having sex with him. He asking for you to suffer for eternity for him when he’s not even willing to sacrifice carnal pleasure for you! Why does he not just propose to you if he really loves you so much? According to his theories a relationship must have commitment and what is an engagement? Also, he is pushing his beliefs on you.He is saying that for your relationship to exsist you must follow his “Triangular Theory of Love”. Why are his beliefs inherently more valuable than yours?
    YOU DESERVE TO BE LOVED WITHOUT CONDITION!
  3. He has vastly different morals than you
    He thinks if something “feels good” it is morally permissable. As a Catholic you KNOW this is not true. Once again I bring up the affair scenario. You are married. He is not getting the sex he wants. He feels its ok to have sex with other people because it “feels good” and he NEEDS sex for a relationship to be present.
I HIGHLY suggest you break off the relationship or at least take a break from it and go to confession with a good holy priest to get your soul cleaned up and help absolve your guilt. It is going to hurt to be away from him. You have bonded with him in a way that you are meant to bond with your beloved spouse. It is ok though. You are forgiven. God loves you and has a better plan. I promise you that you deserve better and will one day find a man who loves you without any condition and who will respect your faith and morals and view them as a positive instead of a negative!
Praying for you!! :gopray2::gopray2:
 
You deserve SO much better…
This ought to be understood in the plural.

The man you describe does not sound like a bad sort. The truth is, he may be doing more with the grace he has been given than many of us, for didn’t the Lord include this in his description of the Last Judgement: Then the righteous will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?Matt. 25:37-39 Obviously, it is possible to please the Lord without specifically setting out to do that.

In the meantime, however, realize that it is no piece of cake for an atheist to be married to a devout Catholic, either. This sexual issue–which to his credit, he is willing to make a sacrifice for in order to satisfy your beliefs, not his own–is not going to be the last issue. What happens when he is there to watch you teach your children the faith? He will be confronted with the choice of biting his tongue or pretending beliefs he does not have, or else he will feel duty bound to tell the truth and teach your children what he honestly thinks is the truth: that even though it is in the best nature of humans to be caring and mutually willing to make sacrifices for each other out of love, God doesn’t exist and neither does most of what their mother is teaching them.

Do you want that for him? Do you want that for your children? It is a hard life. Are you willing to make sacrifices so that your husband will come to the faith, which will be your task? It is possible, but consider the great love Servant of God Elisabeth Leseur had for her husband. Archbishop Fulton Sheen tells how he heard of her story:

*Just at the turn of the century, there was a woman married in Paris, just a good, ordinary Catholic girl, to an atheist doctor, Dr. Felix Leseur. He attempted to break down the faith of his wife and she reacted and began studying her faith. In 1905, she was taken ill and tossed on a bed of constant pain until August 1914. When she was dying, she said to her husband, “Felix, when I am dead, you will become a Catholic and a Dominican priest.”

“Elizabeth, you know my sentiments. I’ve sworn hatred of God, I shall live in the hatred and I shall die in it.”

She repeated her words and passed away. She died in her husband’s arms at the early age of 47.

Rummaging through her papers, Felix found her will. She wrote:

“In 1905, I asked almighty God to send me sufficient sufferings to purchase your soul. On the day that I die, the price will have been paid. Greater love than this no woman has than she who lay down her life for her husband.”

Dr. Leseur, the atheist, dismissed her will as the fancies of a pious woman. He decided to write a book against Lourdes. He went down to Lourdes to write against Our Lady.

However, as he looked up into the face of the statue of Mary, he received the great gift of faith. So total, so complete was it, that he never had to go through the process of juxtaposition and say, “how will I answer this or that difficulty?”

He saw it all. At once.

The then reigning pontiff was Benedict XV. Then came World War I. Hearing of the conversion of Dr. Leseur, Pope Benedict XV sent for him. Dr. Leseur went in the company of Fr. Jon Vinnea, orator of Notre Dame. Dr. Leseur recounted his conversion and said that he wanted to become a Dominican priest. Holy Father said, “I forbid you. You must remain in the world and repair the harm which you have done.”

The Holy Father then talked to Fr. Vinnea and then again to Dr. Leseur and said:

“I revoke my decision. Whatever Fr. Vinnea tells you to do, you may do.”

In the year 1924, during Lent, I, Fulton J. Sheen, made my retreat in the Dominican monastery in Belgium. Four times each day, and 45 minutes in length, I made my retreat under the spiritual guidance of Father Felix Leseur of the Order of Preachers, Catholic Dominican priest, who told me this story.*

If you love him enough to marry him and believe that this is in God’s plan for you, then accept that it is also in God’s plan to give you the task of sacrificing for your husband’s conversion, and with no guarantee you will see fruit from that labor, either in this life or the next. Your story might not be as dramatic as that of Elisabeth and Felix LeSeur, but your story will require great sacrifice from both of you. Either discern that this is not your call, and give this man up to God’s care, or else resolve to give the work of his salvation your all and truly resolve to seek for him the best, which is to say a conversion into the faith handed down by the Apostles, which is the ordinary route to everlasting life.
 
Simple solution: don’t date athiests.

Forget about the problems you’re having now, which are not all that suprising, given his religious views (or lack thereof). Think about how this relationship will be once you’re married, if you have your heart set on marriage with him. As a Catholic, when you marry you are not only required to get married in the Catholic Church, but you must also raise your children as Catholics. Do you honestly, in your heart of hearts, believe that he will go along with that? What will happen once you actually have children? Will they be Baptised? Even if they are, they will certainly grow up in conflict and confusion spiritually. Their father won’t be going to church, but their mother will. The sad fact is, if their father is not going to church, then your children are not likely to take Catholicism seriously. The statistics in that regard are pretty abysmal. Let’s not forget that this will be a life long commitment, there isn’t any “oops, well that didn’t work out” when it comes to marriage.

If raising a Catholic family is important to you, then you need to get rid of this man. Especially since it appears that he has little to no regard for your spiritual health, let alone your mental health, if he keeps pressuring you into sex when he knows full well that you are conflicted about fornicating with him. He “respects” your religious views as far as they have an impact on your personal life, but where your life intersects with his, he will want you to have the same exact values and ideas as the rest of the secular world. Get out of this relationship.
 
Just one more thing to add to the excellent other responses in this thread: right now, it seems like your whole world is falling apart. It feels like it will never get better, and you’re never going to find anyone else to be “in love” with. I’ve been there. It’s not true. You don’t know what true love and respect is until you meet a good man. And you will. And then your eyes will open and you’ll see how the world fooled you before.

I used to think that I found someone who respected me when he’s stop when I told him to stop. Now I realized he was walking all over me. I realized this the moment my future husband pulled down on my shirt when it accidentally slipped up a few inches. Or when he refused to kiss me before marriage, to not put us in a near occasion of sin. You want a man who will help you get to heaven, not someone who grudgingly agrees to stand by while you try your best. This man you’re dating, he’s not doing either. He’s actively deterring you.
 
Also want to add that I too dated an atheist in college-- we were quite serious. I thought we would be married. He was my whole world and it took me 3 years to get over him after we broke up. He lived by Ayn Rand ethics (“enlightened self interest”) which included the idea that cheating on me wasn’t wrong and all sorts of other nonsense. He really took me away from my faith (I was not Catholic at the time, I was Protestant but still a practicing one until I met him and he always had better things to do on Sunday than Church).

I only thought I loved him. My wonderful, faith filled, devout Catholic husband is SO awesome. I thank God every day that my supposed love of my life married the other girl, who he made miserable for years before dumping her and divorcing her, and NOT my stupid 20 year old self. Twenty-five years in the rear view mirror I thank God every day for the implosion of that relationship.

Oh his poor Catholic mother is probably still on her knees praying for his soul.
 
Simple solution: don’t date athiests.

Forget about the problems you’re having now, which are not all that suprising, given his religious views (or lack thereof). Think about how this relationship will be once you’re married, if you have your heart set on marriage with him. As a Catholic, when you marry you are not only required to get married in the Catholic Church, but you must also raise your children as Catholics. Do you honestly, in your heart of hearts, believe that he will go along with that? What will happen once you actually have children? Will they be Baptised? Even if they are, they will certainly grow up in conflict and confusion spiritually. Their father won’t be going to church, but their mother will. The sad fact is, if their father is not going to church, then your children are not likely to take Catholicism seriously. The statistics in that regard are pretty abysmal. Let’s not forget that this will be a life long commitment, there isn’t any “oops, well that didn’t work out” when it comes to marriage.
I am married to an atheist, and I find this incredibly insulting. Insulting to both me and my husband. :mad:
If raising a Catholic family is important to you, then you need to get rid of this man. Especially since it appears that he has little to no regard for your spiritual health, let alone your mental health, if he keeps pressuring you into sex when he knows full well that you are conflicted about fornicating with him. He “respects” your religious views as far as they have an impact on your personal life, but where your life intersects with his, he will want you to have the same exact values and ideas as the rest of the secular world. Get out of this relationship.
This man, yes. He isn’t supportive of her at all. Marriage is not about sex or about what we can force someone else to give in on. That seems to be what he is all about.
 
I am married to an atheist, and I find this incredibly insulting. Insulting to both me and my husband. :mad:
I’m glad that you found an atheist who really and truly respects your religion, then. 👍
 
I am married to an atheist, and I find this incredibly insulting. Insulting to both me and my husband. :mad:
I do not see any reason why you should feel insulted, he is not making any prediction about your marriage and he is not expressing any judgement on your and your husband’s moral standards. The poster is simply mentioning the most probable outcome, I think that he is pretty realistic about that.
 
I am married to an atheist, and I find this incredibly insulting. Insulting to both me and my husband. :mad:

This man, yes. He isn’t supportive of her at all. Marriage is not about sex or about what we can force someone else to give in on. That seems to be what he is all about.
Your atheist is an exception to the rule, maryjk. You have to know that. A lot of them are angry and hate-filled people. They are not just unbelievers, they are faith-destroyers. I am not saying that the man the OP is dating is like that - She states that he respects her faith although they “tease” each other about it. But you must agree that a Catholic dating an atheist is usually not going to work out positively for the Catholic, right? I mean, in my case, we are both cradle Catholics but for all intents and purposes, my husband is not a believer, and it’s been a struggle for me since I reverted. Being unequally yoked is a challenge. And my sons have had no male role model to help them become strong Catholic men. That will be a deficit in their own lives. The legacy continues…😦

You shouldn’t take any of this personally. It is not meant as an indictment against all atheists, but does describe most of them, IME. None of us recommend that this girl keep going into this relationship.
 
Your atheist is an exception to the rule, maryjk. You have to know that. A lot of them are angry and hate-filled people. They are not just unbelievers, they are faith-destroyers. I am not saying that the man the OP is dating is like that - She states that he respects her faith although they “tease” each other about it. But you must agree that a Catholic dating an atheist is usually not going to work out positively for the Catholic, right? I mean, in my case, we are both cradle Catholics but for all intents and purposes, my husband is not a believer, and it’s been a struggle for me since I reverted. Being unequally yoked is a challenge. And my sons have had no male role model to help them become strong Catholic men. That will be a deficit in their own lives. The legacy continues…😦

You shouldn’t take any of this personally. It is not meant as an indictment against all atheists, but does describe most of them, IME. None of us recommend that this girl keep going into this relationship.
I wish you knew more atheists…
 
Your atheist is an exception to the rule, maryjk. You have to know that. A lot of them are angry and hate-filled people.
I am sorry, I do tend to forget this. He just seems so normal to me. :o
You shouldn’t take any of this personally. It is not meant as an indictment against all atheists, but does describe most of them, IME. None of us recommend that this girl keep going into this relationship.
Oh, she needs to move on from this guy. Not because he is an atheist but because he doesn’t respect her. If he doesn’t respect her while they are dating, he certainly won’t respect her once they marry.
 
I wish you knew more atheists…
Many Catholics only have experience with experience with the hateful kind of Atheists just like I’m sure many Atheists only have experience with hateful Christians and both use their limited experiences to quantify an entire population…
 
Your atheist is an exception to the rule, maryjk. You have to know that. A lot of them are angry and hate-filled people. They are not just unbelievers, they are faith-destroyers. I am not saying that the man the OP is dating is like that - She states that he respects her faith although they “tease” each other about it. But you must agree that a Catholic dating an atheist is usually not going to work out positively for the Catholic, right? I mean, in my case, we are both cradle Catholics but for all intents and purposes, my husband is not a believer, and it’s been a struggle for me since I reverted. Being unequally yoked is a challenge. And my sons have had no male role model to help them become strong Catholic men. That will be a deficit in their own lives. The legacy continues…😦

You shouldn’t take any of this personally. It is not meant as an indictment against all atheists, but does describe most of them, IME. None of us recommend that this girl keep going into this relationship.
A large religious difference causes a lot of stress, but it has not been my experience with atheists that they are “angry and hate-filled people”. The ones who get in your face about being an atheist tend to be belligerent around Catholics, but most atheists I have known do nothing of the sort. You don’t even know they’re atheist until someone brings up the subject. Rather, they are people who have considered the possibility that God exists and just can’t see clear to say there is enough evidence to convince them.

That is probably the difference: that is, the difference between someone who is willing to seek the truth but who does not believe in God and someone who is violently opposed to the concept that anyone else does believe in God and loses no opportunities to say so. Run into somebody like the latter, let them know you’re Catholic, and yes, the fur can start flying real quick! :eek: In their defense, this is often someone who’s had a bad experience with having religion toxically used to manipulate them or to justify wrongdoing. Bitterness of that sort is sad, but it is also very understandable.

At any rate, I don’t think that is the sort of fellow she’s dating. I certainly would not tell her to leave this guy because he’s a horrible person, because the chances are that he’s quite ethical, to the extent that he has been given the grace to see the truth.
 
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