Dating someone who rides the fence about abortion and pre-marital sexuality

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And maybe that works sometimes, but personally, I think I’d really rather not hold someone’s hand through faith. I want to be with someone who is arm-in arm with me to the letter-of-the law. And maybe this gal could be her down the road, but is it worth waiting to find out? I don’t think so, but that’s why I ask because I could be wrong in my mentality.
If thats how you feel, end it now, explain why, and dont go into another relationship until you find that person.

If you do love her, it is worth asking her before burning that bridge imho.
In our lives we dont always walk arm in arm, sometimes we do hold a hand and offer support and encouragement. Thats life.
 
The only thing I would add is I have known loads of people change their minds on issues like this as they get older and gain more life experience. Even if you married someone with identical views there is no guarantee of them keeping them.

That being said you should go with your instincts on this.
 
The only thing I would add is I have known loads of people change their minds on issues like this as they get older and gain more life experience. Even if you married someone with identical views there is no guarantee of them keeping them.

That being said you should go with your instincts on this.
Would you go into marriage with someone hoping that they’ll change their minds on an issue?
 
Would you go into marriage with someone hoping that they’ll change their minds on an issue?
No but I think its prudent to accept that a person who seems to share all your views could later change their mind, especially when young. My husband could end up leaving Christianity, I would still be committed to him.

That said this probably isn’t the right person for the OP but it’s important to be realistic.
 
And maybe that works sometimes, but personally, I think I’d really rather not hold someone’s hand through faith. I want to be with someone who is arm-in arm with me to the letter-of-the law. And maybe this gal could be her down the road, but is it worth waiting to find out? I don’t think so, but that’s why I ask because I could be wrong in my mentality.
People’s views and convictions can change over time but if it is important to you to follow Catholic teachings she needs to know that you will need her not only to follow those teachings but also actively help you do so when times are difficult.
 
No but I think its prudent to accept that a person who seems to share all your views could later change their mind, especially when young. My husband could end up leaving Christianity, I would still be committed to him.

That said this probably isn’t the right person for the OP but it’s important to be realistic.
IMO, it’s better to find someone who already is on the same page than marry them and hope they convert.
 
IMO, it’s better to find someone who already is on the same page than marry them and hope they convert.
I definitely agree with you there, I just think its worth thinking about what you would do if your spouse had a change of heart over your shared values.
 
IMO, it’s better to find someone who already is on the same page than marry them and hope they convert.
That goes for many things other than faith as well. How many people marry someone hoping for change only to have it end badly?
Oh, he will stop drinking
Oh I’m sure she will be more responsible with money later…
Etc.
 
IMO, it’s better to find someone who already is on the same page than marry them and hope they convert.
They could convert before marriage. My husband was raised Lutheran and converted to Catholicism after he started going to church with me and asking me questions about my beliefs. He simply did not know what we believed, and may never have been brought into the Church had I given up on him from the start.
 
Sigh, however, it’s not like I could resist, after all:
I’m a 27-year old man and who’s been dating a 23 year-old woman over the past month-and-a-half.
Been there done that, got the scars. You don’t want to get there. (See above.) Next:
We hit it off in the beginning and were going on dates multiple times a week. She really is a great gal and we get along great for the most part. There’s chemistry and unbroken gazes when speaking.
Reminds me of probably the nicest, most charming and most welcoming woman I ever met, years ago. As you can guess, she was pro-what-passes-for-choice.
She seems to be an otherwise strongly-believing Christian woman (I make caveats for the non-Catholics because I have not met any truly devout Catholic women), but her stance on abortion is a weird one. She says she would never have an abortion and that she thinks that all abortions are absolutely terrible, but that even in light of that, she doesn’t feel like it’s anybody’s place to tell a woman what she can do with her body.
Obviously, ‘her body’ is the womb, but not what’s inside. And the argument is so obviously false on so many other levels that it’s in fact quite moronic. For starters, let’s consider that nobody is suggesting we should do any of the following:

– decriminalize any other crimes that involve the perp’s own body in an intimate way
– decriminalize any other crimes a woman could commit

So not only does the argument rely on exceptionalism (women more special than a generic human being of unspecified sex), it also makes a one-of-a-kind exception…

… that is, at the end of the day, simply a convenient justification to allow someone to have what she wants and allow oneself to look the other way. It holds no more value than **** people come up with post-hoc to justify bad things they’ve already done. In this case the matter is already decided, on convenience and not morality grounds, and the liberals are only looking for a post-hoc justification to ease their consciences (such as there still remain).
She also believes that this is a sticking point for equality and women’s liberation.
Women’s equality is great, but it doesn’t justify murder.

Women’s so called liberation is mostly exaggerated, though a worthy cause for whatever minority part of it actually holds water (probably more in Protestant countries than Catholic, as they used to be quite serious about the femina coverta thing), but it’s still not more important than a life. In other words, it doesn’t justify murder.

We don’t justify the killing of adults just because it would clear the way for our ideological cause (or make a statement, or prevent such a statement from not being made).
But I just don’t know how you can hold to completely morally contradicting positions—“abortion is horrible, but women should be allowed to legally and freely choose.”
Easy. It’s enough to be a relativist or be so attached to liberal idea(l)s that not even innocent life matters in comparison. And the liberal left are not exactly famous for intellectual rigour, not even the highest-decorated intellectuals among them.
And then there’s the matter of sexuality. She says that she’s completely fine waiting for marriage if that’s what the other person wants, but that waiting is not something she’d stick to if the “time felt right” and her s/o initiated.
Well, sir, you’ve simply ended up dating a secular Christian who you’ve become particularly fond of (and for good reason I’m sure, nothing to be ashamed of) and who it would be extremely painful to let go of (and for good reason I’m sure, nothing to be ashamed of), so it’s now you yourself being tempted to embrace relativism in order to keep her just like she has been tempted to embrace relativism in order to be able to keep her liberal ideas.

But you can’t keep what’s not yours to begin with, nor can you do what’s best for a person by giving the impression of not rejecting ideas that are absolutely unacceptable and a peril to that person’s soul. What if she was not free to marry, for example? However much you’d be tempted to agree to merely civil ‘marriage’, the right thing to do would still be split it.

Mind you, I’m not saying splitting up with her actually is the right thing to do here, but there’s a strong chance that it is — at least in the romantic sense, not in the sense of alienating her altogether and losing the chance to give her the witness of faith that could help her journey. But God > woman, moral law > our desires, helping a woman > courting a woman. You’ve got your priorities right, don’t you?

Don’t need to tell me it’s not easy. I don’t need to be reminded.
I know the kind of man that I am. I am very sexually-minded. And as much faith as I have in the power of God to lift me, I’m not confident I would wait if I knew my s/o was willing to have sex before marriage. To this extent I’ve more recently sought women who were very much about waiting for marriage because I feel like together, we can accomplish that if that’s both our conviction.
It’s only commendable to know your limitations and take them into account. There’s more courage and merit in that than in pretending and becoming foolishly careless.
 
What do I do here? Do these things represent a spiritual incompatibility that can be fraught with danger and pain down the road?
Yes.
Do they represent an opportunity to bridge that spiritual gap?
Yes.
Is it possible God put her in my path to direct her toward him through our relationship (should we enter into one)?
Yes.
Or is it possible that He put her in my path to give me the opportunity to choose the incredibly difficult thing of nipping this in light of spiritual difference?[/quotes]
I told her today that these things weighed on me and that while I wanted to see her again, it was something I needed to seriously think about. And she said she was fine with that and understood, but she was very obviously still hurt by this sudden change in direction.
Understandable.
To see that hurt started crushing me.
Understandable.
Now I feel like **** for bringing it up so soon and leaving her hurt and hanging in the balance.
Understandable.
I feel like I could be making a rash and extreme reaction
Possible.
to something that may not be big in the grand scheme,
The fifth commandment is pretty big in the grand scheme of things. As is the sixth. And obviously the first.

Life matters and even ‘sexual ethics’ are in no way trivial. But you already know this, it’s just the difficulty of losing her that’s starting to weigh down heavily on you.

You may or may not have to lose her, but you need to be prepared to lose her for God (in the event you have to choose).
but I feel like these are things that the spirit of the relationship can sometimes hinge on.
Think about children. As a Catholic you have the obligation to do your best to educate and form them in the faith. That is already difficult. How much easier is it going to be if their mother teaches them something different than you do? Or, how easy is it going to be for their mother to stay silent and teach them nothing, in order to not interfere with the instruction and example you provide? You can’t exactly tell your children: ‘this is what mum believes and that is what dad believes, you will choose for yourself when you grow up’ (though that’s what a secular judge may order in the even of civil divorce).

As difficult as the above is to consider, there is no virtue in delaying the consideration and exposing yourself, and her, and especially innocent children such as you may have, to the obvious risk.
If you have thoughts or experience, please share. 😦
Probably more of either than is agreeable, but life is tough. We have to be tough too.
 
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