you make it sound like the majority of parents shelter their kids from the world, I personally don’t know of any, and I certainly don’t shelter mine as you define it. someone have to teach my children to be civilized, and its not going to be the schools or groups with agendas. I do realize I have to bear a heavy cross in this, but that what Christians do.Shouold gays have the right to marry? No, and I dont believe in civil marriages or marriage liscenses by the way, it’s a church issue, for each church to decide, the Catholic church shouldn’t do the weddings you are against. Be carefull of the way you use the term normal. If we use that as a criteria to lock up people you could have that term backfire on you and you be marginalized.With normal interpeted in it’s dictionary definition. My parents could be put in the loony bin for making us Pawloski kids have pear juice in the koolaid at the dinner table, while I didn’t like it and it wasn’t normal because none of the other kids I grewup around didn’t go through that, I don’t think anyone is saying the white rubber room is in order for that. You and I have two different arears of focus. Your is not wanting your kids indoctrinated, which I personally don’t blame you for, but I’m not overly worried about. Mine is we seem to be turning out of the school system people who don’t know much more than their jobs, and in some cases whats on tv, and in cases of culturally more sheltered type of people what their preacher says no matter what denomination they belong to. I’m worried about a generation of people who can’t think for themselves anymore. The reason us Pawloski kids turned out like we did despite all the sheltering in the world and thensome is because we are fiercely independent thinkers, to one degree or another. Some kids like us dodn’t need help thinking independently while other children do. It seems like in this day and age most do. That alarms me very much!
Nobody said anything about accepting bad behavior. Just people who are queer, who often have a really rough time in school (like me). Those are two different things, according to the CC.that’s fine, they can fill the gaps for those who’s parents don’t teach them at home, just don’t teach mine…
if God doesn’t tolerate homosexuality why should I? I don’t have to accept a bad behavior or any bad behavior that could influence any of my children in bad way. we as parents are supposed to be protectors of our children. the church also teaches us to avoid sin and the near occasions of sin.
Also, as a gay person with many many gay friends, I would say that most of us were part of families that did not accept or promote homosexuality in any way, so it was not something we “fell into” but rather something we came to realize as we got older, much to our shock and horror, as no person wishes to grow up to realize he/she’s gay.sorry that your family fell apart. I have become an advocate to help defeat the idiology of homosexuality for one reason and one reason only. one of my children have been brainwashed to believe gays are normal and have the right to marry in a church. My child is not gay, but I fear that her children may fall into it because of her tolerance to this lifestyle. So this is the reason I am devoted to this cause, it may sound selfish I am only doing it because one of my own is effected, but its starts anyway.
SO you see, you are right, I can’t protect them from everything, but unlike you who gave up, I will die trying. BTW, I don’t know who your parents, but just because you and your siblings turned dysfunctional it doesn’t mean your parents are to blame! Losers always blame someone else for their failures. very typical of our scarcity these day.
Yeah, I came from a conservative, Catholic family, was homeschooled, did not have any gay friends until I got into online gaming at age twenty-eight. And yet, at the age of twenty-six, I came to the realization I am bisexual. Nothing hurts me more than people who seem to think you become gay/bisexual by being around people who are gay/bisexual. It could be that they help you realize that you’ve had this aspect of yourself all along, but had it pushed into a back corner of your psyche.Also, as a gay person with many many gay friends, I would say that most of us were part of families that did not accept or promote homosexuality in any way, so it was not something we “fell into” but rather something we came to realize as we got older, much to our shock and horror, as no person wishes to grow up to realize he/she’s gay.
you an Annn can believe what you want…people do have an influence on other people, just because you choose to do things differently it doesn’t mean you weren’t influenced by someone or something!Yeah, I came from a conservative, Catholic family, was homeschooled, did not have any gay friends until I got into online gaming at age twenty-eight. And yet, at the age of twenty-six, I came to the realization I am bisexual. Nothing hurts me more than people who seem to think you become gay/bisexual by being around people who are gay/bisexual. It could be that they help you realize that you’ve had this aspect of yourself all along, but had it pushed into a back corner of your psyche.
And for that matter, I didn’t “choose” be bisexual, any more than I chose to have brown hair and brown eyes, or I chose to be female. It’s part of what makes me who I am. What I did choose is what I do with this aspect of who I am, and I chose to embrace it and yet be celibate. I don’t push it to the back of my psyche and hope it goes away, but if I catch my senses going, “Whoa, that girl is lovely!” I quickly pray, “Praise God for making pretty gals!”you an Annn can believe what you want…people do have an influence on other people, just because you choose to do things differently it doesn’t mean you weren’t influenced by someone or something!
Hmm looks like somebody doesn’t believe in freewill. Lets not forget the church does.you an Annn can believe what you want…people do have an influence on other people, just because you choose to do things differently it doesn’t mean you weren’t influenced by someone or something!
influence and free will are two different things. i know we have free will, this is why the world today is so screwed up, we keep willing whatever makes us fizzy…the concept of carry your cross and follow me means nothing anymore.Hmm looks like somebody doesn’t believe in freewill. Lets not forget the church does.
The answer is the second choice but some of those behaviors includes the first choice! Remember it was God who did that, you don’t get to do anything of the like, you have to be nice , except when it’s approprite not to be. You don’t think I carry a cross! You try passing 33 kidneystones each of them staying in you 2 to 4 months. There is nothing fizzy about me. Warm fuzzy are not required, but good manners and politeness are.influence and free will are two different things. i know we have free will, this is why the world today is so screwed up, we keep willing whatever makes us fizzy…the concept of carry your cross and follow me means nothing anymore.
Can you answer me one question, why did God wiped out the world accept Noah and his family? was it because people weren’t nice to each other, or was it because they were engaged in certain behaviors?
The problem is that the secular definition of discrimination clearly conflicts with the Church’s definition.We are called as Catholics by the Catechism to avoid discrimination:
**2358 **The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
okay, i think there is hope for you too! i’ll pray for you.The answer is the second choice but some of those behaviors includes the first choice! Remember it was God who did that, you don’t get to do anything of the like you have to be nice , except when it’s approprite not to be. You don’t think I carry a cross! You try passing 33 kidneystones each of them staying in you 2 to 4 months. There is nothing fizzy about me. Warm fuzzy are not required, but good manners and politeness are.
I’m not trying to prove anything. I am only posting from my personal experience. And to be honest, it is the insensitive people like you who’d rather believe that all same-sex-attracted people are some kind of demons out of hell, instead of the flesh and blood humans with hearts that are easily broken, that are pushing me further and further away from the Church. Nothing any of us can say can clearly make you realize that there might just be a living, breathing humans posting these personal accounts, who just want to be acknowledged as living, breathing people, you’re so determined in your narrow little ideas of how things should be. I’m merely trying to show you how they ARE for me. It was people like you whom Christ called “you brood of vipers”. I’m done here.Matrix Refugee, seminar poster is someone pretending to be who they are not. they make stuff up just to prove you wrong…
Except calling someone a “f____” or making remarks like “that’s so gay” is discrimination under both. So is beating up the gay kid.The problem is that the secular definition of discrimination clearly conflicts with the Church’s definition.
i never called you demon, but you call me what you want, it won’t change anything. truth is one which is revealed by God Himself, not your or mine. take it or leave it, its your choice. i chose God’s truth.I’m not trying to prove anything. I am only posting from my personal experience. And to be honest, it is the insensitive people like you who’d rather believe that all same-sex-attracted people are some kind of demons out of hell, instead of the flesh and blood humans with hearts that are easily broken, that are pushing me further and further away from the Church. Nothing any of us can say can clearly make you realize that there might just be a living, breathing humans posting these personal accounts, who just want to be acknowledged as living, breathing people, you’re so determined in your narrow little ideas of how things should be. I’m merely trying to show you how they ARE for me. It was people like you whom Christ called “you brood of vipers”. I’m done here.
whatever…you can call it God’s truth, but you know its not. He made it clear as to how he defines homosexuality, but you refuse to see it.And even thought I accept what I am and put it into God’s hands, that somehow implies that I’ve rejected God’s truth? I think you need to sit in on a meeting or two of your local Courage group, and see what it’s like to be fully Catholic and also be dealing with same-sex attraction.