DD's Greek Mythology Assignment

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My kids have done this sort of project in two different schools and not once did any kid not put the costume on over their clothes. There is no modesty issue here. I have a kid who gets anxiety when speaking in front of her class. She seems to have to do several presentations a year. She did once get to do an alternate assignment. But she usually does the presentation.
So does your daughter think that the kids who chose to dress up are doing something wrong? if they are Christian/ Catholic does she think it makes their faith somehow less than hers?
 
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I don’t think that is fair to assume. Many people can have different personal beliefs without being accused of being judgmental of others. Do you think all people who receive on the tongue do so to show that others faith is less than theirs? Do you think that of me?
 
The purpose of this lesson seemed to relate to learning about Greek mythology. The teacher has agreed to accept an alternative assignment, which seems quite reasonable as there are many other ways in which a student can demonstrate what she’s learned. Some of the remarks on this thread seem like some posters are uncomfortable with this girl* not *dressing up like a Greek goddess and giving her presentation in a bed sheet.

I am all for students learning to do difficult things, but really how hard is it to throw a heet around oneself? It would seem to me that speaking up to ask the teacher for another assignment might be more difficult and uncomfortable for many students, yet she did that. And how far do we allow some teachers to take some of these creative dress up assignments in history or literature or some other class before people of other cultures or underrepresented group find such things offensive?

The teacher permitted this girl to do an alternative assignment. I don’t know what the particular assignment was, but I can think of some far better ways to demonstrate what she learned about the ancient Greeks and their mythology beyond dressing in a costume.
A PP said that the student’s presentation might receive a lower grade because her discomfort would be apparent and/or impact her delivery.

Going forward the student will face other situations that will make her uncomfortable, in her school life, professional and social lives, ones in which she will not be able to receive a dispensation because of her discomfort (NOT situations that are morally wrong, which is entirely different).

I think learning to work through situations that are difficult for us is an important part of education and that the earlier it is addressed, the easier it is.
 
A PP said that the student’s presentation might receive a lower grade because her discomfort would be apparent and/or impact delivery.

Going forward the student will face other situations ths that will make her uncomfortable, in her school life, professional and social lives, ones in which she will not be able to receive a dispensation because of her discomfort (NOT situations that are morally wrong, which is entirely different).

I think learning to work through situations that are difficult for us is an important part of education and that the earlier it is addressed, the easier it is.
I’m glad you’re not that child’s teacher since you feel that way. Public speaking is difficult enough for many people even when wearing comfortable clothing. And I was the previous poster who pointed out her discomfort could impact her grade. Good teachers usually try to create learning situations where children can be successful rather than uncomfortable. I suspect the teacher was trying to make the assignment fun and not torturous.
 
Dd’s objection to the assignment has nothing to do with being uncomfortable speaking in front of the class or trying to get out of it.

In HER mind, she cannot reconcile dressing up as a mythical god with the Commandment to worship the one True God and not put other gods before him.

She’s not comfortable with it and she feels it is disrespectful to God.

And honestly, I can’t blame her. I would refuse to do the assignment also.
 
I’m glad you’re not that child’s teacher since you feel that way. Public speaking is difficult enough for many people even when wearing comfortable clothing. And I was the previous poster who pointed out her discomfort could impact her grade. Good teachers usually try to create learning situations where children can be successful rather than uncomfortable. I suspect the teacher was trying to make the assignment fun and not torturous.
Tortuous? I find that a little extreme.

The OP has said it is not the clothing per se that makes her DD uncomfortable but the fact that she equates dressing as a Greek god with worshipping one, which is simply not true.
 
“ETA: As far as thinking of them as being like Jesus or Mohammed, no one thinks of those gods and goddesses as anything but mythological anymore, and haven’t for some time. They’re more like legends than they are deities in the way our culture views them: the ideas about them helped shape our culture, but not our religious beliefs. The closest analogy I can imagine would be dressing up as ancient Roman heroes who may or may not have existed.”

Unfortunately this isn’t true. Greek mythology is making a surprise come back I encourage u to look it up. It’s crazy! My sister in law and her fiancé have recently been converted to this old Greek religion! They even mock me for being catholic and not believing in the Greek gods! Again it’s crazy! I was shocked!
 
The student advocated for herself with her teacher and convinced the teacher that she deserves an accommodation. This is a good result, and her self-advocacy was probably the most valuable learning experience she will get out of this.

If her grade is lowered by a few points–so what? Getting dinged a few points on a drama assignment in 7th grade never kept anyone out of college. Having to suffer a minor injustice is does not have to be traumatizing, either. Respectfully going to bat for yourself with an authority figure and working out a mutually-agreeable compromise in a civilized way, OTOH, is a lesson that could pay dividends for a lifetime.

*Good for her! *👍 🙂
 
The student advocated for herself with her teacher and convinced the teacher that she deserves an accommodation. This is a good result, and her self-advocacy was probably the most valuable learning experience she will get out of this.

If her grade is lowered by a few points–so what? Getting dinged a few points on a drama assignment in 7th grade never kept anyone out of college. Having to suffer a minor injustice is does not have to be traumatizing, either. Respectfully going to bat for yourself with an authority figure and working out a mutually-agreeable compromise in a civilized way, OTOH, is a lesson that could pay dividends for a lifetime.

*Good for her! *👍 🙂
👍 Exactly!
 
Usually yes. Sadly most of the time everyone’s feelings are considered worthy of sidestepping an issue on except the modern Christian. That seems to be fair game…

Honestly from what I got from the OP was that the DD is engaging in the culture wars, and while you and I might not die on this hill, she is “taking a stand” It is as much a rite of growing up as learning to shave.😃
You think this is part of a “culture war”? Wouldn’t that require two “warring” cultures? As far as I can tell from this thread, it’s just mainstream Western culture vs. one girl and her mom.
 
A PP said that the student’s presentation might receive a lower grade because her discomfort would be apparent and/or impact her delivery.

Going forward the student will face other situations that will make her uncomfortable, in her school life, professional and social lives, ones in which she will not be able to receive a dispensation because of her discomfort (NOT situations that are morally wrong, which is entirely different).

I think learning to work through situations that are difficult for us is an important part of education and that the earlier it is addressed, the easier it is.
This student took the difficult route of advocating for an accommodation that she has convinced her teacher will give the best result for everyone. If she had had her try at advocacy and been turned down, her mom could have reassured her that her discomfort, while real, was not indicative of guilt over any sin. She would have done what she could do, and that would have been that. That could have been an outcome that she could have learned from, as well. If she had advocated for herself and experienced an unfair retribution as thanks for her efforts, I still think she would have greatly preferred looking back on that to looking back on a response of cowed submission that raised no defense of her hidden personal concerns. Provided she was willing to submit to the teacher’s legitimate authority, this student chose the best course, in my opinion.

I think the teacher chose the best course for all involved, as well, and also deserves a “way to go!” award. I would suggest the OP write the teacher a note and thank her, not just for accommodating her daughter’s request, but for rewarding her daughter’s willingness to self-advocate for an agreeable compromise and teaching this student how to handle personal concerns in a constructive manner.
 
I don’t think that is fair to assume. Many people can have different personal beliefs without being accused of being judgmental of others. Do you think all people who receive on the tongue do so to show that others faith is less than theirs? Do you think that of me?
I did not assume anything I asked a question. If I assumed it I would not put a question mark after it, but make it a statement. I think it is legitimate to ask, or even just keep in mind. I have seen people who start out very sincerely trying to live their faith get caught up in the rules and forget about the love of God.
 
My 12 year old daughter just came to me with a concern about an assignment she has. She has to write a report on a Greek god/goddess and then dress up as that figure for class to read her report.

I told her that it is perfectly OK to learn about the subject and even to write the report but she is well within her rights to go to her teacher and share her concerns about the dressing up part.

How do you all think I should handle this if the teacher pushes this? Am I overreacting in thinking that this is an inappropriate assignment? Like I said, I don’t have an issue with them learning about the subject, but the dressing up part is taking it too far, imo. It should at least be completely voluntary. I don’t see this as anything different than requiring students to dress up as Jesus or Muhammad.

Thoughts?
A few years ago, my teenage daughter did Halloween as Athene (often spelled “Athena”). Sheet for a robe, tinfoil helmet, tinfoil covered cardboard shield and one of those plastic owls people put on their houses to (supposedly) scare birds, under her arm.

Only two households she visited knew who she was portraying, and I was a bit surprised that even two did. She did enjoy it, though.

Greek mythology, to me, matters, not because we believe in those gods and goddesses, but because it’s part of western heritage. A person needs to know that those gods and goddesses are almost always “archetypes” of some human trait or combination thereof, or even some force in the universe. They’re not just what they seem to be on the surface. Possibly in more primitive times they were taken literally, but in later years in the Greek world, they were almost psychological personifications, both in their own traits and in the traits of those who called upon particular ones for this or that.

Some of that is very complex and sophisticated, and in my mind, it’s worth knowing about. So, for example, Apollo’s characteristic literary epithet is “Smintheus”, which means “mouse god”. Why mouse? Well, it’s multi-layered, but because notwithstanding the fairly primitive nature of medical knowledge in ancient Greece, it was known that there can be an association between rodents and disease. Apollo, then, was the “healer” (the Hippocratic oath used to begin with “I swear before Apollo the healer, and all the gods and goddesses…”) but he was also the bearer of the opposite. The ancients knew, apparently, that there is not a strict dichotomy between health and illness, but that oftentimes healthy things can result in illness. (Think, for example, of an immune system run wild; autoimmune disorders and many disease manifestations.)

Greeks had a keen sense of the merits and benefits of “balance”. It was they, after all, who so often employed the “golden mean” in art and architecture; a relationship among parts that pleases the aesthetic sense without our quite knowing why. But they also knew the causes and consequences of “imbalance” in the human psyche its many manifestations. The Greek tragedies are almost always about “imbalance” and its potential for irremediable loss. That’s why, for example, literary people sometimes ask, rhetorically, whether it’s even possible to have true “Christian tragedy” within this life, because the consequences of “imbalance” are never finally irremediable while we are still on this earth. We are not doomed, inexorably, by “Ate” (fate) because we have a Redeemer who is ultimately merciful.

It is no accident that, while Christianity had its beginnings in the Levant, its real explosion was in the Greek world. It answered so many things the Greeks had pondered, unresolved. It still does, but we often don’t quite understand why.

There is a lot of wisdom in all of that “Greek stuff”, and one doesn’t have to take those gods and goddesses literally (shouldn’t, really) to delve into it.

I recommend Athene for a girl. Modest, easily costumed, wise, strong, and a perpetual virgin.
 
A few years ago, my teenage daughter did Halloween as Athene (often spelled “Athena”). Sheet for a robe, tinfoil helmet, tinfoil covered cardboard shield and one of those plastic owls people put on their houses to (supposedly) scare birds, under her arm.

Only two households she visited knew who she was portraying, and I was a bit surprised that even two did. She did enjoy it, though.

Greek mythology, to me, matters, not because we believe in those gods and goddesses, but because it’s part of western heritage. A person needs to know that those gods and goddesses are almost always “archetypes” of some human trait or combination thereof, or even some force in the universe. They’re not just what they seem to be on the surface. Possibly in more primitive times they were taken literally, but in later years in the Greek world, they were almost psychological personifications, both in their own traits and in the traits of those who called upon particular ones for this or that.

Some of that is very complex and sophisticated, and in my mind, it’s worth knowing about. So, for example, Apollo’s characteristic literary epithet is “Smintheus”, which means “mouse god”. Why mouse? Well, it’s multi-layered, but because notwithstanding the fairly primitive nature of medical knowledge in ancient Greece, it was known that there can be an association between rodents and disease. Apollo, then, was the “healer” (the Hippocratic oath used to begin with “I swear before Apollo the healer, and all the gods and goddesses…”) but he was also the bearer of the opposite. The ancients knew, apparently, that there is not a strict dichotomy between health and illness, but that oftentimes healthy things can result in illness. (Think, for example, of an immune system run wild; autoimmune disorders and many disease manifestations.)

Greeks had a keen sense of the merits and benefits of “balance”. It was they, after all, who so often employed the “golden mean” in art and architecture; a relationship among parts that pleases the aesthetic sense without our quite knowing why. But they also knew the causes and consequences of “imbalance” in the human psyche its many manifestations. The Greek tragedies are almost always about “imbalance” and its potential for irremediable loss. That’s why, for example, literary people sometimes ask, rhetorically, whether it’s even possible to have true “Christian tragedy” within this life, because the consequences of “imbalance” are never finally irremediable while we are still on this earth. We are not doomed, inexorably, by “Ate” (fate) because we have a Redeemer who is ultimately merciful.

It is no accident that, while Christianity had its beginnings in the Levant, its real explosion was in the Greek world. It answered so many things the Greeks had pondered, unresolved. It still does, but we often don’t quite understand why.

There is a lot of wisdom in all of that “Greek stuff”, and one doesn’t have to take those gods and goddesses literally (shouldn’t, really) to delve into it.

I recommend Athene for a girl. Modest, easily costumed, wise, strong, and a perpetual virgin.
Nice post. There is a lot of wisdom in your musings. I also find the classical world an important part of our Western heritage.

I was going to post to the OP the other day “how or why do you make the leap from dressing up in a costume of a mythological figure to worshiping said figure” but I refrained for fear of stepping on anyone’s toes.
 
A few years ago, my teenage daughter did Halloween as Athene (often spelled “Athena”). Sheet for a robe, tinfoil helmet, tinfoil covered cardboard shield and one of those plastic owls people put on their houses to (supposedly) scare birds, under her arm.

Only two households she visited knew who she was portraying, and I was a bit surprised that even two did. She did enjoy it, though.

Greek mythology, to me, matters, not because we believe in those gods and goddesses, but because it’s part of western heritage. A person needs to know that those gods and goddesses are almost always “archetypes” of some human trait or combination thereof, or even some force in the universe. They’re not just what they seem to be on the surface. Possibly in more primitive times they were taken literally, but in later years in the Greek world, they were almost psychological personifications, both in their own traits and in the traits of those who called upon particular ones for this or that.

Some of that is very complex and sophisticated, and in my mind, it’s worth knowing about. So, for example, Apollo’s characteristic literary epithet is “Smintheus”, which means “mouse god”. Why mouse? Well, it’s multi-layered, but because notwithstanding the fairly primitive nature of medical knowledge in ancient Greece, it was known that there can be an association between rodents and disease. Apollo, then, was the “healer” (the Hippocratic oath used to begin with “I swear before Apollo the healer, and all the gods and goddesses…”) but he was also the bearer of the opposite. The ancients knew, apparently, that there is not a strict dichotomy between health and illness, but that oftentimes healthy things can result in illness. (Think, for example, of an immune system run wild; autoimmune disorders and many disease manifestations.)

Greeks had a keen sense of the merits and benefits of “balance”. It was they, after all, who so often employed the “golden mean” in art and architecture; a relationship among parts that pleases the aesthetic sense without our quite knowing why. But they also knew the causes and consequences of “imbalance” in the human psyche its many manifestations. The Greek tragedies are almost always about “imbalance” and its potential for irremediable loss. That’s why, for example, literary people sometimes ask, rhetorically, whether it’s even possible to have true “Christian tragedy” within this life, because the consequences of “imbalance” are never finally irremediable while we are still on this earth. We are not doomed, inexorably, by “Ate” (fate) because we have a Redeemer who is ultimately merciful.

It is no accident that, while Christianity had its beginnings in the Levant, its real explosion was in the Greek world. It answered so many things the Greeks had pondered, unresolved. It still does, but we often don’t quite understand why.

There is a lot of wisdom in all of that “Greek stuff”, and one doesn’t have to take those gods and goddesses literally (shouldn’t, really) to delve into it.

I recommend Athene for a girl. Modest, easily costumed, wise, strong, and a perpetual virgin.
Interesting point. What about going as the Logos? Jn.1. To the Greek, that phrase “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.” would be a major statement about the gods.

Our God is the God of all people of all times. So our God is indeed the God of the ancient Greeks right?
 
I did not assume anything I asked a question. If I assumed it I would not put a question mark after it, but make it a statement. I think it is legitimate to ask, or even just keep in mind. I have seen people who start out very sincerely trying to live their faith get caught up in the rules and forget about the love of God.
I think that is a generalization that is not warranted in this case. Charity goes both ways.😉
 
Interesting point. What about going as the Logos? Jn.1. To the Greek, that phrase “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.” would be a major statement about the gods.

Our God is the God of all people of all times. So our God is indeed the God of the ancient Greeks right?
I am neither a Greek scholar nor accomplished in philosophy or theology. And I have forgotten a lot of what I did know. However, I can say the following without undue fear of being too far wrong.

It can be said that our God is the God of the ancient Greeks in two ways (perhaps more, but I can only cite two). One is, as you say, the philosophical search for the “logos”, the “key” as it were to the mystery of the universe and human existence. The “foundational principle”. Greek philosophers (or some anyway) were conscious that such a foundational principle was necessary, but had no “connector”; that is, between what they regarded as a sort of abstract principle that had to exist, and human life and consciousness. In the Greek world, humans were adrift; separated from the “logos”, though affected by it.

Jesus, of course, is the “connector” between man and the God of the Hebrews; the “personifier” of the principle.

Also, if one reads the Iliad carefully, one discovers that there are different views of godhead, depending on the context, particularly with Zeus. Sometimes Zeus is like a spoiled teenage boy; vengeful, lustful, capricious. Sometimes, however, he really is the Supreme Being in the sort of way the Hebrews saw God. He is referred to as “Te andron, te theon” (the father of gods and men…the ultimate creator) sometimes, and sometimes he fits the title. It is thought that the former view was portrayed for the benefit of the superstitious and ignorant, while the latter is the portrayal for the sophisticates in Greek cultural life. So it wasn’t as if all Greeks had no inkling of the nature of God.

To many thinking post-Resurrection Greeks (and they were all over the Mediterranean world) the story of Jesus would have been like a bombshell. He not only revealed much about the “Logos”, but provided the “connector” between the ultimate Being and mankind.
All of a sudden, there was not only clear “personhood” to the ultimate principle, but also a clear “purpose” to our existence. We were not simply adrift at the whims of Fate.
 
Ridgerunner if there were a ‘like’ button I would like your post 100 times.
 
I am neither a Greek scholar nor accomplished in philosophy or theology. And I have forgotten a lot of what I did know. However, I can say the following without undue fear of being too far wrong.

It can be said that our God is the God of the ancient Greeks in two ways (perhaps more, but I can only cite two). One is, as you say, the philosophical search for the “logos”, the “key” as it were to the mystery of the universe and human existence. The “foundational principle”. Greek philosophers (or some anyway) were conscious that such a foundational principle was necessary, but had no “connector”; that is, between what they regarded as a sort of abstract principle that had to exist, and human life and consciousness. In the Greek world, humans were adrift; separated from the “logos”, though affected by it.

Jesus, of course, is the “connector” between man and the God of the Hebrews; the “personifier” of the principle.
Apparently there is a lively debate among philosophers about whether the god of Plato and the god of Christianity were/are the same. I wish I could remember more of the outlines of the disagreement but I think it had something to do with whether the god of the philosophers was a loving god and whether we humans were made in his image.
 
I also find the classical world an important part of our Western heritage.
Something I found interesting, related to this. It is often assumed that people in past ages were stupid or, at best, darkened and ignorant. That is far from the truth. It really was a matter of thought and contention during the “Christian era” as to whether there could be true tragedy in the Greek sense, in a Christian world.

The Greek sense of it was sort of “off the cliff”. If one “tempted the fates” by doing something “out of balance” or perhaps “out of proper place”, Fate would provide irremediable destruction.

But in Christianity, no act, however terrible, brought final destruction before death. Interestingly, we see that illustrated in MacBeth. MacBeth did all the terrible things he did, and yet, at the very end, MacDuff presents him with the possibility of true repentence and resulting redemption. MacDuff told him what he would have to do to obtain it; admit his guilt before all, accept punishment and amend his life (returning to the proper station which he had rejected by usurping something his own will and not Providence, had provided.)

MacBeth, however, rejects repentence and chooses damnation. “…then lay on, MacDuff, and damned be him who first cries ‘hold, enough’”.

In the Greek world, the act determines the outcome rendered by the iron decree of Fate. In the Christian world, the person chooses damnation or redemption.

Interesting stuff. Smart guys, those ancients.
 
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