Deacons and Deacons to be

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The original vision for permanent deacons was to be where the church was not-prisons,soup kitchens, rest homes, hospitals, hospice, homeless shelters Etc. Because of the shortage of vocations to the priesthood, the latest surveys show deacons doing more sacramental duties in their parish. This special “Year of the Priest” is a great time to renew prayers and work toward more vocations to the priesthood.

Dcn tony
 
Swamp Yankee,

Deacons today serve the Church in many ways. Their primary role is to be of service within the community in accord with their talents and callings. Deacons assist priests in formation of ministries, counseling and support of couples in marriage preparation, individuals seeking annulments, formation of prayer and study groups, teaching and in many other service roles. Deacons also assist the priest at Mass. Ironically, that is the contact that most Catholics have with deacons, but that is not their primary role. Their primary calling within the Church consist of what they do for the people outside of Mass. The primary calling of priests is what they do within the context of Mass.

Deacons may preside at some liturgies, and they can confer some of the sacraments. Deacons may give homilies in certain circumstances, and it is their role, when assisting at Mass, to proclaim the Gospel. Deacons may preside at weddings (without Mass) and at funerals (without Mass). Deacons baptize children. Deacons can preside at prayer services , such as benediction, communion services and others. Deacons can bless objects, such as rosaries, religious medals, homes and cars, as well as any priest can. Indeed, the only things that a deacon cannot do are: say Mass, hear confessions, and confer the sacrament of the sick. Those are reserved to priests and bishops. Also, deacons cannot confer the sacrament of confirmation, which is reserved to the bishop, although he does, upon occasion, delegate that to priests.

In short, deacons allow the priest to devote himself to those responsibilites that are unique to his ministry.

If you think you are hearing a call to the diaconate I encourage you to contact the vocations director for your diocese to find out more.

God Bless,
Very good response
 
Question?

How do you know if your being called ?

I have thought about being a Deacon for 20 years now, more seriously in the past 2 years. Friends, Family, my wife all say they could see me with this calling but its up to me. O great thanks…

But How do you know your being called? Yes I pray daily, but I cant image giving homlies, and teaching others about a faith I am still learning and exploring myself.

O Cradle Catholic, father of a son and daughter, and to my love, married 19 years…
 
Question?

How do you know if your being called ?

I have thought about being a Deacon for 20 years now, more seriously in the past 2 years. Friends, Family, my wife all say they could see me with this calling but its up to me. O great thanks…

But How do you know your being called? Yes I pray daily, but I cant image giving homlies, and teaching others about a faith I am still learning and exploring myself.

O Cradle Catholic, father of a son and daughter, and to my love, married 19 years…
The first thing I would do would be to discuss this with my pastor. Usually one must have several years of service in his parish in some form of ministry, i.e., lector, Extraordinary Eucharistic minister, etc. Even if you apply, there is no guarantee that you will be accepted. There is a rigorous screening process and then comes the time for formation if accepted. Most arch-diocese/diocese have either a 5 or 6 year formation process. The first year is for discernment. The remaining are formation. When I applied back in 1988, there were 96 applicants. 16 were accepted and 12 were ordained after the formation process. You will be given adequate study (meaning a bunch) and it will prepare you for what lies ahead. It has rewards beyond anything I could ever expect. Hope this helps.
 
Deacon Ed thank you for the response.

But you spoke of the fomation, but not the calling.

I have been talking with Deacon Neil in my parish, and he thinks I should apply.

I am not sure, if I am being called.

Trying to anwer this question? Is God calling me? and is this what God wants from me?

I sometimes say, I wish God would knock me off my horse, like he did with St. Paul. Then I would know.
 
Deacon Ed thank you for the response.

I sometimes say, I wish God would knock me off my horse, like he did with St. Paul. Then I would know.
Last time I read Acts, it mentioned nothing about Paul being knocked off a horse. (I made that same mistake, so don’t feel like the lone stranger) Check out the first part of Acts 9:3-4.

The first year is a discernment process to determine whether you have the call. Technically, you do not have the call until you have the request from your bishop for ordination, after the discernment and formation process. No one goes into the program with 100% certainty that this is their vocation. I say this making a distinction between the desire and the call. This is why the time and study are involved.
 
Deacon Ed,

Thank You, your right no horse, but there was a flash of light and he fell, and was blind for 3 days, and the Lord spoke to him.

I’ll take that 🙂

“The first year is a discernment process to determine whether you have the call.”

This I understand, and I am encourage.

My friend Deacon Neil spoke of a peace he has now being a Deacon that he never felt before. Is the same true with you?

Was the process hard for your wife and family ?
 
Deacon Ed,
Thank You, your right no horse, but there was a flash of light and he fell, and was blind for 3 days, and the Lord spoke to him. I’ll take that 🙂
“The first year is a discernment process to determine whether you have the call.” This I understand, and I am encourage.
My friend Deacon Neil spoke of a peace he has now being a Deacon that he never felt before. Is the same true with you? Was the process hard for your wife and family ?
I don’t know if I would call it a peace, I find it more of a wonderment that God has chosen me to do some of the things I do as a deacon. It keeps reminding me of the biblical quote ( I don’t remember the book or verse), but it says that God uses the foolish to confound the wise. I can’t help but think that he chose me to really confound the wise when he picked me. I have been ordained a deacon since 1991 and the blessings that I have received from our Lord as one of his least servants are beyond description. The things I count as my greatest blessings are baptizing all of my grandchildren (13) and witnessing the weddings for 3 of my daughters. I promise you, grown men do cry. I have given missions, talks at retreats, work with the diaconate office for my archdiocese. You will end up doing things you never dreamed you would do. I would suggest that you follow through and see if you get the call from the bishop if you are accepted into the program. That will remove all doubt.
 
“Rather, God chose the foolish of the world to shame the wise, and God chose the weak of the world to shame the strong and God chose the lowly and despised of the world, those who count for nothing, to reduce to nothing those who are something.”
1 Corinthians 1:27-28

I beleive your are right, thank you.

I will explore the possiblities.
 
“Rather, God chose the foolish of the world to shame the wise, and God chose the weak of the world to shame the strong and God chose the lowly and despised of the world, those who count for nothing, to reduce to nothing those who are something.”
1 Corinthians 1:27-28

I believe your are right, thank you.

I will explore the possibilities.
Thanks for the source. I now have it written down. You will remain in my prayers. Keep me in yours. I need them.
 
Most programs have a discernment period-our program is one whole year of just discernment. This provides time for prayer and careful consideration of what God is calling you to.

Dcn Tony
 
During formation as a deacon what financial outlay is there? Presumably after the intial period of discernment, there will be books for study purposes, diaconal vestments [at ordination] and other things to be bought? Can anyone advise what these costs are, roughly?
 
Question?

How do you know if your being called ?

I have thought about being a Deacon for 20 years now, more seriously in the past 2 years. Friends, Family, my wife all say they could see me with this calling but its up to me. O great thanks…

But How do you know your being called? Yes I pray daily, but I cant image giving homlies, and teaching others about a faith I am still learning and exploring myself.

O Cradle Catholic, father of a son and daughter, and to my love, married 19 years…
For each person God calls in a different way. Much less suttle than a burning bush or being knocked town on a roadway as with saint Paul, but non the less called. For me it was about seven years ago and a homily I read by the bishop of Salt Lake. Before that time I had no thoughts of the diaconate.
I would suggest that you explore in your diocese the possiblity of being a deacon. In ours, we have a director who meets with prospctive canidates and discusses the program with them. There is an application process, some classes and interviews, all part of a dicernment prosess for not only you but your wife and family the see if you do have a calling. You may find out that a life of service to others as a deacon is not for you, many men have, but yet, it you may find it is exactly the path you want to follow. It that case you may find that this is a true calling. Throughout you formation process you will continue to discern at each step to the end. You may find as I have that the path is not always easy, that you may be tested as gold is in fire, but if it is God’s call to you, you will make it through the journey.

Peace,
FAB
 
During formation as a deacon what financial outlay is there? Presumably after the intial period of discernment, there will be books for study purposes, diaconal vestments [at ordination] and other things to be bought? Can anyone advise what these costs are, roughly?
It will depend on your diocese and parish. Your parish would need to agree to sponsor you, it which case they would pick up the cost of your classes and even more depending on thier finacial situation. In my diocese, it pick up half the cost of classes with the parish the other half. My parish pays for reatreats is supose to pick up the cost for ordiation vestments. I pay for my own books and do donate back to my parish for part of thier expense. There may also be money available from the KC’s and other parish groups.

Peace,
FAB
 
It will depend on your diocese and parish. Your parish would need to agree to sponsor you, it which case they would pick up the cost of your classes and even more depending on thier finacial situation. In my diocese, it pick up half the cost of classes with the parish the other half. My parish pays for reatreats is supose to pick up the cost for ordiation vestments. I pay for my own books and do donate back to my parish for part of thier expense. There may also be money available from the KC’s and other parish groups.

Peace,
FAB
We paid one third, the parish one third and the diocese one third for all classes and books. We got many gifts of cash and vestments at ordination from friends and family. My pastor and a parishioner bought me dalmatics as I only had one from Ordination. Other than the vestments bought for me personally, the ones bought bought by the priest and parishioners stay in the church and belong to the parish.
 
We paid one third, the parish one third and the diocese one third for all classes and books. We got many gifts of cash and vestments at ordination from friends and family. My pastor and a parishioner bought me dalmatics as I only had one from Ordination. Other than the vestments bought for me personally, the ones bought bought by the priest and parishioners stay in the church and belong to the parish.
I recieve nothing from my parish. Regardin finances. In fact my parish priest is somewhat ignoring the fact that I am in formation. Outside of the favorable references to the scrutinies committee I am not in much communication with him. I have to schedule appointments (and rightly so) with him to discuss my progress. I recieve comments from him like, “well its not like your are going to be pope or anything” or " Its not much more that a glorified altar boy" etc. In a nutshell, I am well aware of the fact that he is not fond of the idea of permanent deacons. His previous parish he would not allow the permanent deacon to vest for mass more than once per month and he would not allow him to ever preach a homily, which is not the end of the world because a deacons role is of service. However with this in mind I must admit that the disregard of my formation has greatly influenced my confidence in myself in a negative way. I am in year 2 of 5 years and in my first year of candidacy, recently my class went through the rite of admission to candidacy. My fellow parishoners found out by reading the diocesan newspaper. Many people were quite bewildered to find that they even had a man in their parish in formation. It is one thing to run around and tell people you are in formation and it is another to have the pastor of the parish mention that perhaps a diaconal candidate could use some prayers by the faithful of the parish. I have discussed these matters with my mentor ( who knows my priest and is not surprised), my spiritual director and even the bishop. I guess we are all given crosses to bear. I entered formation just prior to this priests assignment to our parish.

Has anyone had a similar experience? I am starting to feel slightly isolated and quite honestly lonely. My spiritual director says this is normal.
 
I recieve nothing from my parish. Regardin finances. In fact my parish priest is somewhat ignoring the fact that I am in formation. Outside of the favorable references to the scrutinies committee I am not in much communication with him. I have to schedule appointments (and rightly so) with him to discuss my progress. I recieve comments from him like, “well its not like your are going to be pope or anything” or " Its not much more that a glorified altar boy" etc. In a nutshell, I am well aware of the fact that he is not fond of the idea of permanent deacons. His previous parish he would not allow the permanent deacon to vest for mass more than once per month and he would not allow him to ever preach a homily, which is not the end of the world because a deacons role is of service. However with this in mind I must admit that the disregard of my formation has greatly influenced my confidence in myself in a negative way. I am in year 2 of 5 years and in my first year of candidacy, recently my class went through the rite of admission to candidacy. My fellow parishoners found out by reading the diocesan newspaper. Many people were quite bewildered to find that they even had a man in their parish in formation. It is one thing to run around and tell people you are in formation and it is another to have the pastor of the parish mention that perhaps a diaconal candidate could use some prayers by the faithful of the parish. I have discussed these matters with my mentor ( who knows my priest and is not surprised), my spiritual director and even the bishop. I guess we are all given crosses to bear. I entered formation just prior to this priests assignment to our parish.

Has anyone had a similar experience? I am starting to feel slightly isolated and quite honestly lonely. My spiritual director says this is normal.
I was going to say that it sounds as though you need to go to your formation director and discuss the issues with him, but you indicated that have aleady talked to your bishop and mentor. I am in the last 18 months of my formation and the communication and support of the pastor has been critical. You may need to ask to be moved to another parish if the situation does not change.

The feeling of being isolated is not uncommon. Even with my wife going through the process, often I feel alone. When I feel that way I look to Christ, the times He was isolated and spend time in prayer. I find strenght from the Holy Spirit. I also find those times a form of holy darkness, knowing that I am not truely alone, God is always with me and his will be done.
Peace,
FAB
 
Dicerning,

Hang in there brother!

I am in the first permanent diaconate class for our archdiocese and we have a year and half to go till ordination (God willing). Many of my brother candidtates have described similar experiences. In my own case my Parish Priest has been personally supportive but very hesitant in publically support me.

Although I’ve been instituted a Lector and Acolyte I do not exercise those ministries in my home Parish (I am on the Reader and EMHC roster for Mass but have been long before I entered the Diaconate Program). Like you, folks in the Parish know that I am in the Diaconate Formation Program because of the diocese newspaper.

However, I’m fortunate to work on a military installation and the Catholic Chaplain has embraced me as a candidate for ordination. I serve as an acolyte at daily Mass and just got done serving a funeral.

While servce at the Mass is a small part of what the diaconate is about it is an area where we need to be knowledgable and compitent. I’ve vauled the “on the job training” that I get in the military parish.

I guess my point is that there are priests who will support the permanent diaconate and those who will not. If your Parish Priest is not welcoming, you I suggest that you explore transfering to a nearby parish where the Pastor will be more willing to support you in formation and after ordination. It is probably easier to make the switch before ordination. After ordination most Bishop’s assign you to your home parish and making a switch after that will involve his approval to transfer you.

Strongly recommend that you discuss this with your Director of Formation for his ideas.

God Bless and you are in my prayers!
 
I was a member of the first deacon class given by my diocese. We did have some pastors that were a little hesitant. We had one or two that flatly said-no way. Part of our service, once we were ordained, was to introduce the people to the diaconate. That was over six years ago. My pastor, at the time I was ordained, did not ask for a deacon, but was very kind and supportive toward me in Christian charity. The former pastor was my mentor. But, the good news is-with time a lot has changed. The priests realize that we are not a threat, but rather a resource and they sure use us! The people are use to deacons and don’t complain or ask questions when we show up to baptize the children or preside at other functions. The important thing is to be patient. Transfers happen. In time things will change for the better.
 
do permanent deacons get to choose where they live? Also, do permanent deacons hold other jobs as well? For example, I am looking towards a career in health care. Let’s say I discern the diaconate, go through seminary, and am ordained. Would I have to give up my career for the diaconate, or would I be assigned anywhere in the country? Do deacons apply to dioceses?

Thanks for understanding my ramblings!
 
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