Deal reached on EU-Turkey talks

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Deal reached on EU-Turkey talks
Mr Gul told reporters at Ankara airport that an “historic point has been reached today”, adding that Turkey “has embarked on a new era”. “The text sets out very clearly the prospect of full membership. There is no alternative option (mentioned),” he went on.
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Turkey turns on the economic charm
If admitted into the EU, Turkey would contribute almost 6bn euros ($8bn; £6bn) to its budget by 2014… Turkey’s gross domestic output (GDP) is set to grow by 6% per year on average, its contribution would rise from less than 5bn euros in 2014 to almost 9bn euros by 2020. Turkey could also help alleviate a labour shortage in “Old Europe” once its population comes of age. By 2014, one in four Turks - or about 18 million people - will be aged 14 or less.

Critics insist that much of the optimism about Turkey’s economic roadmap has been over-egged - an argument amplified by a 134% rise in the country’s current account deficit to $10.7bn during the first 10 months of this year. The country’s massive debt - which includes $23bn owed to the IMF and billions borrowed via the international bond markets - also remains a major obstacle to its ambition of joining the EU.
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Pope Benedict XVI: Enemy of Jihad
In line with his call to Europeans to recover their own spiritual heritage, the new Pope opposes Turkey’s proposed entrance into the European Union: “Turkey,” he has declared, “has always represented a different continent, always in contrast with Europe.” But his objection is not simply geographical — in fact, he opposes the geographical oversimplifications that underlie Turkey’s EU bid: “Europe,” he has explained, “was founded not on a geography, but on a common faith."
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Turkey and the European Union on Monday agreed to open membership talks, after a tense diplomatic dance that illustrated all the problems of their partnership.

After two days of dramatic negotiations, European foreign ministers agreed on terms for talks to start, overcoming Austria’s insistence that the EU offer Turkey the possibility of a status less than full membership. By evening, after hours of discussion with Ankara, Turkey agreed to the framework proffered for what are expected to be tough talks over the next decade.

“Agreement has now been reached that negotiations on Turkey’s accession to the European Union can and will begin in the very near future,” said Jack Straw, the British foreign secretary, who was leading the talks.
 
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France President Chirac say Turkey needs ‘major cultural revolution’ to join EU
Although Turkey belongs to NATO, the Organization of Economic Co-operation and Development and the Organization for Co-operation and Security in Europe, its shaky human rights record and poor economic past have kept it from becoming a full EU member. Ankara recently has introduced key political and economic reforms, and now wants the EU to make good on its promise to bring it into the bloc…

On Oct. 20, the EU experts will start a broad “screening” of Turkey’s rule policies to see whether they meet minimum requirements to start specific talks in 35 areas - everything from food safety rules to minority rights. Turkey then faces a final review from all EU governments who have to unanimously approve talks to begin in these policy areas…

French President Jacques Chirac said Tuesday that Turkey would need to undergo a “major cultural revolution” before entering the European Union, and he reiterated that France would hold a referendum on admitting Ankara to the bloc… British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said…“I’m in absolutely no doubt that the benefits will follow from this enlargement and bring a strong secular state which happens to have a Muslim majority into the European Union”…
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I think this is good news, Turkey should feel welcome in the EU.
 
Horrible news, economical, social and others, many think that Turkey is Stambul and only the european part.
In Turkey, there are 8 million of farmers, more than all of Europe joined. And we know that Europe makes subventions.
This is a tragedy for Europe, but politics like forever, are bought.
 
Turkey should be allowed to be in the EU if it is the will of the people.

How is this horrible news?
 
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Turkey should be allowed to be in the EU if it is the will of the people.

How is this horrible news?
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The people of France and Germany, for example is against, Turkey violates everyday the religious freedom although it doesn´t matter for politics.
 
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Franze:
The people of France and Germany, for example is against, Turkey violates everyday the religious freedom although it doesn´t matter for politics.
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Turkey is having to reform - ie. clean up - its human rights record in order to qualify for EU membership. Their desire to join the EU seems to be giving them impetus to change their often unfortunate ways. This seems a pretty good thing to me.

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Actually in principal I would welcome Turkey into the EU, especially since it would have to improve its human rights record especially regarding the Kurds and Armenians. It should also pull out of Cyprus.

On the down side I think the expansion of the EU by 10 new countries was part of a Eurocrat hubris that led to the defeat of the Constitutional referenda in France and the Netherlands. I think we will have to agree a new Constitution, expand the Euro-zone and more succesfully integrate the new European countries before we can realistically bring Turkey within the Union.

The big plus side of course will be having a succesful union including nominally Christian and nominally Muslim states working in harmony.
 
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Actually in principal I would welcome Turkey into the EU, especially since it would have to improve its human rights record especially regarding the Kurds and Armenians. It should also pull out of Cyprus.

On the down side I think the expansion of the EU by 10 new countries was part of a Eurocrat hubris that led to the defeat of the Constitutional referenda in France and the Netherlands. I think we will have to agree a new Constitution, expand the Euro-zone and more succesfully integrate the new European countries before we can realistically bring Turkey within the Union.

The big plus side of course will be having a succesful union including nominally Christian and nominally Muslim states working in harmony.
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Please don´t dream, there aren´t any christian seminaries (orthodox and catholic) in Turkey, the Catholic Church isn´t a juridical body and the people who converts to the churches are criticized by newspapers. There aren´t catholic or orthodox schools.
If Turkey will make all these things, I would like, I will be agree with the adhesion, but without that I would be against the adhesion, and EU politics don´t speak nothing about that.
For this main reason I am against.
 
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Please don´t dream, there aren´t any christian seminaries (orthodox and catholic) in Turkey, the Catholic Church isn´t a juridical body and the people who converts to the churches are criticized by newspapers. There aren´t catholic or orthodox schools.
If Turkey will make all these things, I would like, I will be agree with the adhesion, but without that I would be against the adhesion, and EU politics don´t speak nothing about that.
For this main reason I am against.
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In Turkey of course Muslim women are not allowed to wear religious head scarves in government buildings, like schools and universities because of the separation of religion and state decreed by Kemal Ataturk the founder of Modern Turkey. Turkey is not a Muslim State. It is a country with a majority Muslim population.

The Christians of Turkey seem quite keen to join the EU-

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**Noting Christians’ pressures, churches plead Turkey’s cause with EU ****Warsaw (ENI). **The head of one of Turkey’s largest churches has appealed on behalf of local Christians for the country’s admission to the European Union, after promised membership negotiations came close to cancellation amid disputes between EU governments. “Turkey’s aspiration to join the EU is an opportunity for East-West reconciliation,” the Armenian Apostolic Patriarch of Constantinople, Mesrob II, said in a letter to EU ministers and parliamentarians.
 
The Churches in Turkey - mainly the EP and the Armenians - do so because they believe that this would be the only way they can survice. If Turkey is in the EU, then it will have to do something about its religious suppression…

Anton
 
Islam tests secular Istanbul
The Turkish city of Istanbul is at the crossroads between the West and the Islamic world. In a secular country where 98% of people are Muslim, what dominates the city - religion or secularism?.. Sahin Alpay, a lecturer in political science and columnist on Zaman, one of the biggest-selling daily newspapers in Turkey, explained that much of the affected religious zeal in some parts of Istanbul was down to a desire to belong to a community… "Turkey is in between a modern and a traditional society.

This transitional process is very difficult for people who move from the rural areas to the cities. "When they settle in the cities, they are confronted with a lot of socio-economic and psychological problems. And who provides them with solidarity? Not the Turkish state. “So what happens is that the Islamic solidarity networks come into the picture.” Many Turks are split over what religious direction the country is moving in, in particular since 2002, when Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s Justice And Development Party came to power…

But for others, like writer and artist Beidari Baikam - a staunch secularist, and one of the leaders of a movement dedicated to upholding the secular values of the republic - a soft religious revolution is under way. For Mr Baikam, the country has been forced “more and more into an anti-secular and pro-Islamic wave” by the government. He quoted the previous leader of the Justice And Development Party, Necmettin Erbakan - the leader of the first pro-Islamic government since 1923 - who said:

“Turkey is going to change its regime towards fundamentalism - the debate is whether it is going to be with blood or without”… Mr Baikam said that Turkey’s secular people were very respectful towards religion - “it is just that the party of Erdogan want to control, as if they have the copyright on the Islamic lifestyle and the law of Allah”. “They behave as if religion belongs to them, and not to the other parties.”
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Turkey sentences Armenian writer
A journalist in Turkey has been found guilty of insulting Turkish identity and given a suspended six-month jail sentence by a court in Istanbul…

Hrant Dink, of Armenian-Turkish descent, wrote a newspaper column… [which] addressed the killings of hundreds of thousands of Armenians during Ottoman rule in 1917.

Armenians, supported by several countries, want Turkey to recognise the events as a genocide. Turkey rejects that description, saying the deaths occurred in a civil war in which many Turks were also killed…

Mr Dink’s lawyer Fethiye Cetin said the ruling showed how little had changed under Turkey’s new criminal code, despite international and internal pressure. “There was no crime here,” she told the BBC. “We expected our client to get off.”
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