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Brad
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It’s a great compromise for the Democrats. It’s the only good option they have. The Republicans, meanwhile, had full control and no reason to compromise and therefore, it isn’t good.
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katherine2
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I agree with you. Its not good for the Republicans.
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Benedictus
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How about a draw?
I don’t have an “agenda”. I just think the Republicans were being foolish and short-sighted by trying to kill the filibuster. I’m pro-life. I’m not a Democrat. I’ve never voted for a Democrat. I vote for a lot of Republicans. I voted for Dubya twice. But Republicans are still politicians, and most politicians are scum.
Okay, I retract that. I guess I misinterpreted what you wrote as praise for him.
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Brad
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Not good for the country.I agree with you. Its not good for the Republicans.
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aimee
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now see katherine2…arent’ you glad to be backI agree with you. Its not good for the Republicans.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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It is not the rule it is the compromise with evil, the compromise will keep pro-life justices from the federal bench.
That is always wrong.
I would not see Satan’s hand in that and it wouldn’t happen as congressional votes are covered by the Constitution so there would need to be an amendment to make the change you bring up.
Well, we don’t kneel in our Church but I see what you are saying and I do bow before God. No where did I say that Congress is my deity. You need to read better,
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aimee
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now see katherine2…arent’ you glad to be backI agree with you. Its not good for the Republicans.
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katherine2
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Yet is is also wrong to lie.
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Lisa4Catholics
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Katherine the only reason they keep doing this is because the judges are pro-life,the democrats are the death party and if they do not let the few pro-lifers have a say they will have problems.:nope:
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Yet is is also wrong to lie.
And? What does that have to do with anything I said here?
Very strange how people love to throw out things that really have nothing to do with the part of the reply that they quoted.
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katherine2
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I think that might be true about Priscilla Owen. Myers has no pro-life record but is anti-environment. Brown (a real nut job in my view) says the whole New Deal is unconstitutional. Saad is anti-labor and has ethics issues. He also has never supported pro-life.
You can criticize Democrats who opposed Owens if you like. But as I’m sure you know, I don’t particularly like the fact that some pro-life leaders have made craven political deals to merge the pro-life movement with anti-environmental and anti-labor special interests who want to rule the entire New Deal as unconstitutional and do so by dishonest political means.
Now, I’m sure there are some folks who post here who are quite happy to have all of their political agenda’s merged. There are others here who are admirably pro-life and have decided to girn and bear this.
But I don’t think anyone has the right to get on their holy high horse and say others of us are bad Catholics because we think this whole situation stinks.
I resent it. I think its cr#p. And I make no apologies for my views.
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David_Paul
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Brown does not “want” to rule the “New Deal” unconstitutional.
She can’t anyways as the “New Deal” is composed of hundreds, if not thousands, of laws and judicial decisions. PFAW and other radical groups have taken her comment regarding Justice Holmes dissent in Lochner (he wrote the constitution does not incorporate a specific economic doctrine) as meaning she would destroy the New Deal.
Fact is, Justice Holmes was wrong. He was writing a dissent after all. In addition, parts of the New Deal are unconstitutional. A farmer cannot grow grain on his own farm for the use of his family without being penalized by Congress? Where did the logic for that Wickard v Filburn decision come from?
Calling someone “anti-labor” or “anti-environment” simply because they do not see a justification in the constitution for the more onerous laws regarding both issues is mere left wing scare mongering. Many labor and environmental laws hurt both labor and the environment and trample upon our rights. Its not being “anti” anything. It is being for a better solution for all–one which respects property rights and the rights of the individual.
Justice Brown’s comments to the Federalist Society on these issues are here:
A Whiter Shade of Pale
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katherine2
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Thank you for yoru contribution. i suspect that if you and I had a fuller discussion on the points you raise we would find we have some fundemental political disagreements.
But would you not agree that a faithful Catholic could be on either side of those political disagreements?
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David_Paul
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I certainly would agree! To my dismay, many of my Catholic brethren subscribe to the economic views of Dorothy Day and those more moderate. But there is plenty of justification for their position in Pope Leo XIII’s Rerum Novarum.
I prefer, of course, the earlier Pope Leo XIII: Quod Apostolici Muneris
But from what I see, the church allows a wide leeway.
I just ask for debate with less loaded language. Did you see N.O.W. blasted the confirmation of Justice Owen? Kim Gandy
said Owen is “anti-women.” Come on…
I just suggest those in favor of the left be careful. When you deal with PFAW and the ACLU you are not dealing with Catholics and not, for the most part, Christians. In fact, the leadership despises your faith. Same with MoveOn.org and many labor and environmental groups. Read the NEA resolutions for 2004.Nothing traditional Christian about them. And that is the largest, most powerful labor organization in America (and the largest in the world).
George Soros is, by far, the largest donor to liberal causes and the Democratic party in America. He funds the false flag operation “Catholics for a Free Choice”. That is so typical of what those fond of what the Democratic Party used to be must deal with today.
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Richardols
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I volunteered at the Catholic Worker when I was in high school and college. Always appreciate it when people mention Dorothy Day, even if they don’t accept Maurin’s and Day’s politics.
I agree with this, but please don’t presume that we are fools. I am discreet in dealing with such organizations, even as I can support some of what each group does. However, Catholic rightists must be careful, too. The “Christian” evangelicals too many Catholics accept as allies have their own agenda that are often anti-catholic and in no way in our interests, especially in the long run.
Catholics of the left or the right both should watch their backs when dealing with others.
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jlw
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Agreed, everything except abortion.
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JamesD
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How about Sen. Brownback of Kansas?
I hear very good things about him.
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JamesD
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I agree.
At first I was very unhappy but then it occurred to me:
We got the pro-lifers.
The Nuke opt’n is not completely dead.
This may be OK!
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jlw
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So have I, yet I am adverse to voting a senator into a GOVERNING position unless he has experience with executive management.
Guilani managed NYC. Great on Security, but pro-choice, so he’s out for me.
Governors Owen and Pawlenty I like, but they may not be name-worthy yet.
Pataki, pro-choice. OUT.
Mit Romney has appeal, he’s been good on the stem cell issue, but has slid recently on abortion.
Senator Allen was the GOVERNOR of Virgina. He’s on my “A” list, because of how he’s been on the judge issue. Very good.
THE pick for me is GOVERNOR Jeb Bush. One can only hope!
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- 1994 – 1998 67th Governor of the Commonwealth
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