Dealing charitably with LDS

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andrewstx said:
Exactly. I hope that Texan Knight has not been banned.
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Me, too.

I believe that, given some re-direction and gentle nudgings, charitable discourse could be fruitful given his experience in the LDS church.
 
twopekinguys said:
I’ve told posters on other threads the same thing. They aren’t board nannies or monitors. Put him on ignore, or report him, and let the chips fall where they may
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And this sounds suspiciously like a board nanny. You seem to be wanting to tell others how to post, whom to put on ignore, how to handle posters that are uncharitable.

Especially egregious given the fact that you seem to object to board nannies, while reserving the right for yourself.
 
PRmerger said:
And this sounds suspiciously like a board nanny. You seem to be wanting to tell others how to post, whom to put on ignore, how to handle posters that are uncharitable.

Especially egregious given the fact that you seem to object to board nannies, while reserving the right for yourself.
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Wrong, as usual.

What I am saying is, I agree with Rebecca, and others who think it wrong to complain about another posters style. Something you are quite good at I might add.

Such discussions merely drag a thread off topic,and cause contention. I am merely pointing out remedies.

So, with that said, you might want to check yourself a bit

I’m going to type this slowly for you in hopes that it might help you understand. If you don’t like what is posted, or the way it is posted, report it, or ignore them. Don’t drag a thread off topic. That is what the mods are for.
 
SteveVH said:
Truth and charity do not have to be opposed. The best posts I have found on any Mormon thread are those from Soren1. He simply presents a well thought out, in my opinion, irrefutable argument, with absolutely no personal remarks or snarky comments. He acknowledges the Mormon position as the Mormon position without being rude or crass and then demolishes it with truth. That is affective apologetics.

So the idea that being charitable results in a weak, watered down version of the truth is simply a fallacy. We should never proclaim the truth without charity and understand that charity without truth is no charity at all. We need both. They compliment, rather than oppose each other.
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twopekinguys said:
A few things to remember.
  1. Not everyone is Soren1
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That is for certain. Not everyone is Jesus Christ either, but he is sure a good example to try and emulate.
twopekinguys said:
  1. Not everyone communicates in the same way
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Correct again. And not every way of communicating is effective. Some ways actually inform people. Other ways tend to drive them away.
twopekinguys said:
  1. Tone is impossible to determine on an internet forum.
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Not really. I find it rather easy to discern the tone of most people’s posts.
twopekinguys said:
  1. Some people look for a reason to be upset or insulted.
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Yes, very little one can do about that.
twopekinguys said:
  1. We have all seen mormon’s play the persecution card over and over and over again. More times than not, it isn’t warranted.
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You will not get an argument from me on that one. That does not give me license to treat them with rudeness. Better to not supply them with the ammunition they need to make that claim. It is then obvious to everyone whether or not it is warranted.
 
PRmerger said:
Me, too.

I believe that, given some re-direction and gentle nudgings, charitable discourse could be fruitful given his experience in the LDS church.
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I really emphasize with Texanknight, his experience with the Mormon church was really terrible and traumatizing, I think that perhaps that does not always lead to charity.
 
SteveVH said:
That is for certain. Not everyone is Jesus Christ either, but he is sure a good example to try and emulate.

I thought I was…let us look…

The Gospels are very clear that in confronting moral evil Jesus wasn’t at all nice or kind. We usually think of Jesus as a prophet of peace, and indeed He was. But His preaching also created bitter controversy and division. “I have come to set the earth on fire . . . Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.” (Lk 12: 49, 51)

Think of Jesus cleansing the Temple, an incident recorded in all four Gospels. Jesus entered the Temple angrily, confronted the merchants and money-changers, made a whip out of cords, drove them away and upset their tables and booths. Doesn’t sound too charitable to me!

Jesus railed against the towns of Chorazin, Bethsaida and Capernaum for their lack of faith, and predicted a terrible judgment day for those towns. “You will go down the netherworld,” He warned. (Mt 11: 23) Doesn’t sound too charitable to me!

And of course there’s Jesus’ withering condemnation of the Scribes and Pharisees. He repeatedly called them hypocrites. He described them as “blind guides . . . whitewashed tombs . . . serpents . . . brood of vipers . . . and murderers.” (Cf. Mt, Chapter 23) Doesn’t sound too charitable to me!

That was taken from an Article by a Catholic Bishop.

Also, on Catholic Answers today (EWTN Radio) Tim Staples said that Jesus would be unwelcome in the “be nice Catholic Groups of Today”. He used some of the same examples as the Bishop.

Just sayin…

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TexanKnight:
You haven’t been banned thank goodness. I was a little worried that you may have been after your Cumorah thread was axed.
 
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TexanKnight:
Yep. Some people need a good smack upside the head. I know I did.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
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TexanKnight:
TK, first of all it would be nice if you would separate your comments from my quotes so that everyone knows to what I am responding without having to read prior posts. Thanks.

Please give me an example of any post I have ever made that ignored a Mormon fallacy in favor of “being nice”. You will not find even one.

Yes, Christ was no wimp. He was no “flower child”. He called people on the carpet and pointed out their hypocrisy and their sin. He also taught them the truth, and if I remember correctly, he even gave his very life for them.

This thread has turned into a false comparison between those who courageously stand for the truth and those who just want to go around spreading rainbows and sweetness in lieu of the truth.

What we are really talking about is the difference between calling someone a “fat pig” and explaining the health risks of obesity.
 
SteveVH said:
First of all it would be nice if you would separate your comments from my quotes so that everyone knows to what I am responding without having to read prior posts. Thanks.

Please give me an example of any post I have ever made that ignored a Mormon fallacy in favor of “being nice”. You will not find even one.

Yes, Christ was no wimp. He was no “flower child”. He called people on the carpet and pointed out their hypocrisy and their sin. He also taught them the truth, and if I remember correctly, he even gave his very life for them.

This thread has turned to a false comparison between those who courageously stand for the truth and those who just want to go around spreading rainbows and sweetness while sacrificing the truth. I have only one word for this tactic: Baloney.
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I have some bread and mayo. 🙂

Actually, I was making no comparisons. You made a comment about emulating Christ and I showed where I thought I was.

Relax 🙂
 
andrewstx said:
I really emphasize with Texanknight, his experience with the Mormon church was really terrible and traumatizing, I think that perhaps that does not always lead to charity.
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Well, I cannot empathize because I have never experienced what TK went through. I certainly sympathize, however. Not real sure what I would do if someone attempted to kidnap my kids. I would probably be sitting in prison for tearing their heads off (in a charitable manner, of course). 🙂 But I doubt any of the posters on this forum were involved in that. You make a good point, however.
 
Is it so bad to want different posting styles by different people? I really feel for our LDS posters, and my posts seem to trend toward sympathy for them. Other posters, not so much.

It takes all types. As long as no one tries to police me on being too passive, I’m not going to police anyone else on being too aggressive.

And we need to remember that, while we’re talking black and white here, I would guess there are SEVERAL lurkers on this board that are on their way out of the LDS Church and don’t find TK’s et al verbiage offensive. However, his (and Rebecca’s, and The Peeking dudes… er, TwoPekingGuys) posts are incredibly informative and, I would assume, would help those coming out of Mormonism to look into the Catholic Church rather than fall into the despondent atheism that so many of us former LDS posters have dealt with.

Everyone’s at a different place in their journey, and I’d say we have a fantastic smorgasbord of posters here ready and willing to bring those readers to the truth.

(TL;DR: Keep on witchya bad selves, everyone).
 
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