Dealing with a gay co-worker

[Scottgun]

Simple: (the) homosexual acts are antithetical to survival. Nothing could be more clear. Put 100 homosexuals on and island, supply them with all of their nutritional, recreational, study, etc., requirements, and come back in 100 years.

Yes. And it seems Freud, who was anti-religion as they come, managed to condemn homosex.

 

[AngelAshley]

I would take it up the line, as Sexual Harassment. But, only after specifically asking the perp to cease and desist. You might say, “That’s nice. Gosh, where’s the time gone to? I’ve got so much to do.”

That’s not really asking him to cease and disist though, is it? It’s just changing the subject and hoping he cottons on.

Simple: (the) homosexual acts are antithetical to survival. Nothing could be more clear. Put 100 homosexuals on and island, supply them with all of their nutritional, recreational, study, etc., requirements, and come back in 100 years.

What has survival got to do with it? You’re not going to find 100 homosexuals on an island in reality. Put 100 randomly sampled people on an island and the chances of them all being homosexual are pretty astronimical.
Back to reality, we live in a world where a small percentage of the population is homosexual. We can see that this has no negative bearing on the survival of our society - in fact, our population is growing at an astounding rate. Perhaps there is a reason behind homosexuality - I can think of twopossible ones.
Perhaps it is a natural method of population control? Admittidly I have no scientific argument to back that up, but there’s nothing to disprove that theory either.
This second one has been observed in the wild - homosexual penguins have stolen the eggs of other penguins and raised the baby penquin as their own. It has been suggested that homosexuals are there to ‘take up the slack’ of the sheer number of babies that are being produced. I’m sure we can agree that there is already more than an acceptable number of orphand children needing homes?

Consider this: What would happen if you put 100 infertile people or 100 ninety year olds on the same island and came back in 100 years? Same result. Does that mean it’s “wrong” to be infertile or be old? In fact, the homosexuals would probably have the best chance at survival because they could use artificial insemination to procreate. The infertile and the elderly could not.

 

[erigby27]

My girlfriend and I would disagree with you!! First hand experience here

As I said, I used to share your opinions. I will leave it at that. If you wish, you can PM me.

Yes, I know the functions of the penis, the vagina and the anus - but if one is using their anatomy for pleasure then who really cares how one goes about doing it? Just because we homosexuals do it differently (I say different, many hetrosexual couples also engage in oral sex, anal sex and mutal masturbation!), that does not make it wrong.

We are humans, and therefore are rational beings. Just because something feels good doesn’t make it “right”. Sex is not about pleasure. Pleasure is just an added bonus. Mutual masturbation is only about pleasure. It’s like a trade: your turn, then my turn. In such a union, the partners are merely using one another as tools for pleasure. It is not unifying at all.

Your opinion that sex has to be geared towards procreation to be allowable is based on religious teachings and has no meaning to a non-believer. I am speaking out against people forcing these religious views onto others.

My opinion is supported by religious teachings, but not based on them.

If someone truly believes in their heart that another’s activity is indeed dangerous to him or her, it would be wrong of them to not say something to protect that person.
If someone was a heavy smoker, and I truly and honestly believed that they were damaging their health, wouldn’t warning that person be the only right thing to do? There are plenty of arguments that say smoking is not dangerous, but if someone deeply believes that it is dangerous, she has a moral obligation to protect her friends and loved ones. Similarly, she has a moral obligation to do everything in her power to prevent a neighbor from jumping off of a bridge.

We truly and honestly believe that homosexual activity is damaging to the soul. We are therefore required, not by our religion, but by any standard of morality to express our concern in a sensitive way.

I will pray for you and your friend.

Pax

 

[AngelAshley]

We are humans, and therefore are rational beings. Just because something feels good doesn’t make it “right”. Sex is not about pleasure. Pleasure is just an added bonus. Mutual masturbation is only about pleasure. It’s like a trade: your turn, then my turn. In such a union, the partners are merely using one another as tools for pleasure. It is not unifying at all.

I disagree. When I’m in bed with my partner engaging in said act, I do feel very unified with her. I gain emotional attachment to her by being intimate with her. This intimacy brings us very close. It’s like a gift… we give each other the gift of sexual satisfaction. I don’t see how this is any difference from hetrosexual sex…

We truly and honestly believe that homosexual activity is damaging to the soul. We are therefore required, not by our religion, but by any standard of morality to express our concern in a sensitive way.

By including the word “soul” in there, you are MAKING the statement religious/spiritual. Smoking causes physical harm and yes, one could be forgiven for speaking out against it to a friend. Homosexuality on the other hand is not physically damaging.

 

[erigby27]

I disagree. When I’m in bed with my partner engaging in said act, I do feel very unified with her. I gain emotional attachment to her by being intimate with her. This intimacy brings us very close. It’s like a gift… we give each other the gift of sexual satisfaction. I don’t see how this is any difference from hetrosexual sex…

You are merely corroborating my point. You are, as you say, providing the gift of “sexual satisfaction”. I maintain that sexual satisfaction is not what sex should be about. Let me be clear that I don’t condone any sex that deletes the possibility of procreation (and that includes mutual masturbation, anal sex, oral sex, use of artificial birth control, AKA any sex outside of marriage and anything other than intercourse). In fact, I maintain that sex cannot be truly unitive without that procreative aspect. There is nothing more unifying than knowing that, only by use of our bodies, we could be creating life (hypothetical we-i’m not married).

By including the word “soul” in there, you are MAKING the statement religious/spiritual. Smoking causes physical harm and yes, one could be forgiven for speaking out against it to a friend. Homosexuality on the other hand is not physically damaging.

Forgive me if I don’t see the difference. Our souls, or our selves (that is, anything that makes us who we are other than our physical bodies) are just as important as our bodies are. From a spiritual perspective, I believe that the soul is actually more important than the body, but from a secular perspective, even and athiest would have to admit that the soul (or whatever you want to call it) is at least as important as the body.

BUT this is not really what this thread is about. I suggest that you start another thread and I would be happy to continue this conversation there if you so wish.

God Bless You
Pax Vobiscum

 

[stephendcml]

You are merely corroborating my point. You are, as you say, providing the gift of “sexual satisfaction”. I maintain that sexual satisfaction is not what sex should be about. Let me be clear that I don’t condone any sex that deletes the possibility of procreation (and that includes mutual masturbation, anal sex, oral sex, use of artificial birth control, AKA any sex outside of marriage and anything other than intercourse). In fact, I maintain that sex cannot be truly unitive without that procreative aspect. There is nothing more unifying than knowing that, only by use of our bodies, we could be creating life (hypothetical we-i’m not married).

Forgive me if I don’t see the difference. Our souls, or our selves (that is, anything that makes us who we are other than our physical bodies) are just as important as our bodies are. From a spiritual perspective, I believe that the soul is actually more important than the body, but from a secular perspective, even and athiest would have to admit that the soul (or whatever you want to call it) is at least as important as the body.

BUT this is not really what this thread is about. I suggest that you start another thread and I would be happy to continue this conversation there if you so wish.

God Bless You
Pax Vobiscum

I don’t understand why people like you accept people’s interpretations of certain Bible passages as Laws of God. Sex is something God created, yes for the beautiful gift of life, but also a great connection between two people. And yes, people can be a slave to sex, but just cuz someones gay doesn’t mean they are. I have two dad’s who don;t have sex (mostly cuz they are old) but also if being gay was a perversion I’m sure that when they lost their sex drives, the attractiona and emotional connection would have gone away. Peace.

 

[AngelAshley]

In fact, I maintain that sex cannot be truly unitive without that procreative aspect.

But at the end of the day, that’s really just your oppinion, which you are entitled to, but I maintain that homosexual sex IS unitive, because I have experienced it.

Forgive me if I don’t see the difference. Our souls, or our selves (that is, anything that makes us who we are other than our physical bodies) are just as important as our bodies are.

Fair enough, but I don’t see any reason other than purely reliogious ones that homosexuality can be damaging to our “soul”, however you choose to define it.

BUT this is not really what this thread is about.

Actually I think it is important that we conclude that outside of religion, there is nothing wrong with homosexuality because if the gay coworker is not a devout catholic (which it certainly sounds like he is not), then we should not be trying to force our religious agenda on him.

 

[cristininha]

Hello,

How should one go about dealing with a gay co-worker? It’s not that he goes about giving all the gory details, nor really parades it about, nor does anything else that might be deemed necessary for management to deal with. It just the little things ‘I have this date with a young guy this weekend’ and the like.

I am asking more from the point of view as what do I as a Catholic have as a moral obligation in the path of not remaining silent about immorality?

The good thing is you can ask your co-worker for fashion advice… the bad thing is… if you work on an open plan office, everyone else will probably listen to your conversation and use the same tips … meaning your clothes will not be that exceptional anymore…

 

[goofyjim]

We all keep forgetting that the workplace is not an area to wokr out our public differences. The gay coworker should leave his lifestyle at home and simply work and the Catholic should do the same. If both sides keep looking for the opportunity to sway or convert it will bring down productivity and be grounds for dismissal of both.

 

[YipYupYep]

Challenge: Without using Catholic or other religious teachings,

This place is “What Answers”? It is “Catholic Answers”

What else would we or could we use. The Holy Bible and The Catechism Of The Catholic Church are the foundation stone of a life lived in Victory.

explain how two people engageing in a homosexual relationship causes direct harm to themselves or other people.

Ever hear of a place called HELL? “Abandon all hope, you who enter here”

Sorry my child. God bless you and keep you. May your Divine Master impart upon you the time and blessings you need to banish and forever break this curse. I pray this in the name of my Divine King, My Master, and my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ All Mighty.

“I asked Jesus How much do you love me?’ This much he answered and he stretched out his arms and died”.

 

[Lainey63]

Hello,

How should one go about dealing with a gay co-worker? It’s not that he goes about giving all the gory details, nor really parades it about, nor does anything else that might be deemed necessary for management to deal with. It just the little things ‘I have this date with a young guy this weekend’ and the like.

I am asking more from the point of view as what do I as a Catholic have as a moral obligation in the path of not remaining silent about immorality?

Do you think if you say something he will become “ungay”? Most gay people are well aware of christian values etc…

 

[cristininha]

We all keep forgetting that the workplace is not an area to wokr out our public differences. The gay coworker should leave his lifestyle at home and simply work and the Catholic should do the same. If both sides keep looking for the opportunity to sway or convert it will bring down productivity and be grounds for dismissal of both.

That’s harsh! At the end of the day, if you can’t relax, you’ll either be a prime candidate for a heart attack or wish you had a completely robotized workforce… and depending on the robot models, you could end up having to talk to the walls the whole day long…

 

[goofyjim]

That’s harsh! At the end of the day, if you can’t relax, you’ll either be a prime candidate for a heart attack or wish you had a completely robotized workforce…

The work place is for work. If I owned a company I wouldn’t fire either the gay worker or the Catholic worker. But I would fire both of them if they proceeded to escalate conflict instead of working. I would expect my employees to show up for work and that’s it. They can iron out their differences off the clock. I don’t pay them to flaunt a lifestyle but I also don’t pay them to preach on the job.

 

[cristininha]

The work place is for work. If I owned a company I wouldn’t fire either the gay worker or the Catholic worker. But I would fire both of them if they proceeded to escalate conflict instead of working. I would expect my employees to show up for work and that’s it. They can iron out their differences off the clock. I don’t pay them to flaunt a lifestyle but I also don’t pay them to preach on the job.

Can one say “God bless you” under your supervision? Or will he be playing with fire?

 

[goofyjim]

Can one say “God bless you” under your supervision? Or will he be playing with fire?

Nice try. That would be considered a complimentary statement and would not be grounds for dismissal. But if they spend time trying to convert all their coworkers, do it off the job. I would be running a company not a church.

 

[cristininha]

Nice try. That would be considered a complimentary statement and would not be grounds for dismissal. But if they spend time trying to convert all their coworkers, do it off the job. I would be running a company not a church.

But the OP is not talking about anyone trying to convert … there is a possibility that it can happen… and in that case I agree with you…

 

[goofyjim]

So if the Christian worker is allowed to talk about his faith on the job I see no reason why the gay worker can’t talk about his lover. I either give both equal time or tell both to cease and desist. My job as an employer is to defuse the timebomb between the two elements not to take sides. If they are productive workers, I seek a way to keep both and make sure neither is infinging on the rights of the other.

 

[cristininha]

So if the Christian worker is allowed to talk about his faith on the job I see no reason why the gay worker can’t talk about his lover. I either give both equal time or tell both to cease and desist. My job as an employer is to defuse the timebomb between the two elements not to take sides. If they are productive workers, I seek a way to keep both and make sure neither is infinging on the rights of the other.

As long as neither of them are talking to defame or to attack the other, I wouldn’t worry too much. But chances are that the gay worker with the “dating the lover talk” will not be in any way, color, shape or size or even taste and smell … demeaning the other co-workers. That cannot be said about the Christian worker, if he is of the kind who reaches for that particular piece of interpretation of what he should think about the value of his gay co-worker’s relationships.

 

[AngelAshley]

Ever hear of a place called HELL? “Abandon all hope, you who enter here”

Yes, and I’ve heard of a place called Andalasia, in a fairy tale.

 

[cristininha]

As long as neither of them are talking to defame or to attack the other, I wouldn’t worry too much. But chances are that the gay worker with the “dating the lover talk” will not be in any way, color, shape or size or even taste and smell … demeaning the other co-workers. That cannot be said about the Christian worker, if he is of the kind who reaches for that particular piece of interpretation of what he should think about the value of his gay co-worker’s relationships.

Having said that, what happens when the gay co-worker is also a Christian? Or even a Catholic? And when the Christian/Catholic worker is also a “gay in the closet” case??