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šŸ‘ Wow…we do agree on something. :rotfl:

🤷 I ain’t impressed with Google/Intarwebz sometimes. I often think of it like Daniel 12:[4] But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."

Yep.
Church Militant,

I’ll bet we agree on a lot! You’ll see.
You’re a little more legalistic (is that the right word??) than I am, but I’m all for the Law, so we’ll be good.

I don’t use Professor Google. I’ve been studying Christianity for many years (must I say how many??!!) and have practically everything in my head. I use the bible and the CCC for here. I mean, how do you learn about religion on the net?? I like reading, talking to people, going to bible studies, watching EWTN, Daystar, etc. You can never know too much! I find good things in both Catholicism and Protestantism. So, listen, I have my bases covered !!

Blessings
GG
 
Church Militant,

I’ll bet we agree on a lot! You’ll see.
You’re a little more legalistic (is that the right word??) than I am, but I’m all for the Law, so we’ll be good.

I don’t use Professor Google. I’ve been studying Christianity for many years (must I say how many??!!) and have practically everything in my head. I use the bible and the CCC for here. I mean, how do you learn about religion on the net?? I like reading, talking to people, going to bible studies, watching EWTN, Daystar, etc. You can never know too much! I find good things in both Catholicism and Protestantism. So, listen, I have my bases covered !!

Blessings
GG
You sound Anglican, GG šŸ˜‰
 
Church Militant,

I’ll bet we agree on a lot! You’ll see.
I guess we will…
You’re a little more legalistic (is that the right word??) than I am, but I’m all for the Law, so we’ll be good.
I don’t think I am legalistic at all. I think I am very much New Testament and early church.
I don’t use Professor Google. I’ve been studying Christianity for many years (must I say how many??!!) and have practically everything in my head. I use the bible and the CCC for here. I mean, how do you learn about religion on the net?? I like reading, talking to people, going to bible studies, watching EWTN, Daystar, etc. You can never know too much! I find good things in both Catholicism and Protestantism. So, listen, **I have my bases covered !!
**
Blessings
GG:D:rotfl:

Oh…and exactly what ecclesial community do you now belong to? I mean you know all of us,now it’s your turn. šŸ™‚
 
I guess we will…
I don’t think I am legalistic at all. I think I am very much New Testament and early church.

:D:rotfl:

Oh…and exactly what ecclesial community do you now belong to? I mean you know all of us,now it’s your turn. šŸ™‚
Catholic!
It must be so.
Two Deacon friends.
3 priests that know me really well. One is old now.
But I could count on the other two for anything.
One is one of the most spiritual people I’ll ever meet.
They do know that I’m a little protestant. And I don’t mean in stature!
And they love me anyway…

GG
 
I have inadvertently sat in some older woman’s regular seat in a previous church. Man she was mean-mugging me the whole service I thought she was going to wack me over the head with that big purse of hers, lol
Good thing the old grandma did not smacked you in the face ~
Wow. Thanks for posting.

The one is Oakland is awsome!

The one in Tokyo has a grotto that was reminding me of Lourdes and then it pans up to show the same statue of Mary!

Both beautiful. I would have missed this had it not been for this forum and you.

GG
Yes, the grotto in the Tokyo Cathedral is like Lourdes Grotto. Since you seem very knowledgeable on Catholic church architecture, let me share you my personal favorites. Once again, I have a personal bias towards Gothic architecture. The interior of St. Chapelle Paris seems magical ~. And both the exteriors of the 2 French churches you mentioned look like they were taken from a fairytale ~. Lovely ~

A classic is Notre Dame in Paris. Of note is the magical and beautiful Las Lajas Cathedral in Colombia, look at its fairytale-like architecture.
Catholic!
It must be so.
Two Deacon friends.
3 priests that know me really well. One is old now.
But I could count on the other two for anything.
One is one of the most spiritual people I’ll ever meet.
They do know that I’m a little protestant. And I don’t mean in stature!
And they love me anyway…

GG
Well, to share, I was once an actual Protestant but decided to revert to my Catholic faith.
 
Catholic!
It must be so.
Two Deacon friends.
3 priests that know me really well. One is old now.
But I could count on the other two for anything.
One is one of the most spiritual people I’ll ever meet.
They do know that I’m a little protestant
. And I don’t mean in stature!
And they love me anyway…

GGHow could you have let yourself get that way?😦 That doesn’t mean that I can’t love you and care about your soul, but having been there and done that I remember the road that I traveled getting there as well as the decades long and very difficult way back.
Well, to share, I was once an actual Protestant but decided to revert to my Catholic faith.
Makes 2 of us my friend. I discovered that Protestantism has very little to offer. It’s mainly a constant reinvention of the wheel on a daily basis by each individual adherent because they refuse to accept the wisdom and scholarship of the Catholic Church. Their fundamental crippling error is Sola Scriptura because it is nowhere supported in the Bible and so even violates its own premise and by its own standard cannot be a correct Christian doctrine. That foundation makes every doctrine that they build upon it a house of cards and has led to innumerable errors.🤷 That’s just the way it is.
 
Good thing the old grandma did not smacked you in the face ~

Yes, the grotto in the Tokyo Cathedral is like Lourdes Grotto. Since you seem very knowledgeable on Catholic church architecture, let me share you my personal favorites. Once again, I have a personal bias towards Gothic architecture. The interior of St. Chapelle Paris seems magical ~. And both the exteriors of the 2 French churches you mentioned look like they were taken from a fairytale ~. Lovely ~

A classic is Notre Dame in Paris. Of note is the magical and beautiful Las Lajas Cathedral in Colombia, look at its fairytale-like architecture.

Well, to share, I was once an actual Protestant but decided to revert to my Catholic faith.
I’m happy that you’re happy Crucis Lucia.

Listen, I just checked out las lajas in Columbia. WOW!!! I have no words! Unfortunately I won’t be able to go many places anymore - otherwise that would be one of them! I can’t believe it - it looks fake, like a fairy tale just like you said. Will be sending to my brother and sister in law. She’s Columbian but I can’t rememberwhere right now.

Thanks!

GG
 
How could you have let yourself get that way?😦 That doesn’t mean that I can’t love you and care about your soul, but having been there and done that I remember the road that I traveled getting there as well as the decades long and very difficult way back.

It’s okay C.M.
I’m good.
I just disagree with too much doctrine to be able to call myself Catholic - but I know all the good things about ā€œmyā€ church!

When you get upset with me because I’m not going to agree with you, don’t get too upset. Plus you’ll find that I don’t like to post back and forth unless the person , ah forget it.

GG
 
How could you have let yourself get that way?😦 That doesn’t mean that I can’t love you and care about your soul, but having been there and done that I remember the road that I traveled getting there as well as the decades long and very difficult way back.

Makes 2 of us my friend. I discovered that Protestantism has very little to offer. It’s mainly a constant reinvention of the wheel on a daily basis by each individual adherent because they refuse to accept the wisdom and scholarship of the Catholic Church. Their fundamental crippling error is Sola Scriptura because it is nowhere supported in the Bible and so even violates its own premise and by its own standard cannot be a correct Christian doctrine. That foundation makes every doctrine that they build upon it a house of cards and has led to innumerable errors.🤷 That’s just the way it is.
Hi CM

I think that protestantism is a good stepping stone for us to hopefully find our way to the Church Jesus established.

It’s useful.

I have to say, when I started studying up on the origin of the bible, the Eucharist and all the myths perpetuated against the Church, I was not a happy camper.:mad: Felt like i had been duped by zealot protestants who have nothing better to do with their time than to slander a Ancient Church that they really don’t understand, nor care to understand.
 
Hi CM

I think that protestantism is a good stepping stone for us to hopefully find our way to the Church Jesus established.

It’s useful.

I have to say, when I started studying up on the origin of the bible, the Eucharist and all the myths perpetuated against the Church, I was not a happy camper.:mad: Felt like i had been duped by zealot protestants who have nothing better to do with their time than to slander a Ancient Church that they really don’t understand, nor care to understand.
I agree, Lenten. God brought me through about 20 years of sojourn among my separated brethren, where I found many elements of sanctification just as the CCC teaches:

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

I eventually studied my way back to the faith into which I was baptized. For me the turning point was a class at a Protestant seminary on Historical Theology. That is when I realized the early Church was Catholic. All the Fathers were Catholic, and the CC has not deviated from them (at least with regard to doctrine). Practice was another matter! The abuses at the time of the Reformation were quite a deviation.
 
I agree, Lenten. God brought me through about 20 years of sojourn among my separated brethren, where I found many elements of sanctification just as the CCC teaches:

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

I eventually studied my way back to the faith into which I was baptized. For me the turning point was a class at a Protestant seminary on Historical Theology. That is when I realized the early Church was Catholic. All the Fathers were Catholic, and the CC has not deviated from them (at least with regard to doctrine). Practice was another matter! The abuses at the time of the Reformation were quite a deviation.
Clearly apostolic.

Yes, so leaves us with a dilemma on our hands. Do we trust in the promise that Jesus made to Peter and the church?

First bible in existence had the 73 books we have today…not 66. And that was 1100 years before Luther. So as a protestant you have to make yourself believe that the church was wrecked for over a thousand years before Luther came along. :eek:

Not plausible, not believable.
 
It’s okay C.M.
I’m good.
I just disagree with too much doctrine to be able to call myself Catholic - but I know all the good things about ā€œmyā€ church!

When you get upset with me because I’m not going to agree with you, don’t get too upset. Plus you’ll find that I don’t like to post back and forth unless the person , ah forget it.

GG
I don’t ever get upset…it’s your soul see? All I can do is what the New Testament mandates and correct …if you blow that off and face judgement for it later, I am okay with that.

Remember ***Ezekiel 33:[7] "So you, son of man, I have made a watchman for the house of Israel; whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me. [8] If I say to the wicked, O wicked man, you shall surely die, and you do not speak to warn the wicked to turn from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. [9] But if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way; he shall die in his iniquity, but you will have saved your life. ***
 
Hi CM

I think that protestantism is a good stepping stone for us to hopefully find our way to the Church Jesus established.

It’s useful.

I have to say, when I started studying up on the origin of the bible, the Eucharist and all the myths perpetuated against the Church, I was not a happy camper.:mad: Felt like i had been duped by zealot protestants who have nothing better to do with their time than to slander a Ancient Church that they really don’t understand, nor care to understand.
I can relate. It was sad and I say it this way, that I was led astray by well meaning people with Bibles.

Bad directions are still bad directions no matter how good the intentions of the guy who gave 'em to ya. 🤷
 
I don’t ever get upset…it’s your soul see? All I can do is what the New Testament mandates and correct …if you blow that off and face judgement for it later, I am okay with that.

Remember ***Ezekiel 33:[7] "So you, son of man, I have made a watchman for the house of Israel; whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me. [8] If I say to the wicked, O wicked man, you shall surely die, and you do not speak to warn the wicked to turn from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. [9] But if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way; he shall die in his iniquity, but you will have saved your life. ***
I’m not a wicked person CM.

I’m a disciple of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

GG
 
And may God continue to richly bless you for it, GG. :highprayer:
Hi G,

You don’t know how much I appreciate the above sentiment of yours.
You’re one of the friendliest persons I’ve found here.

I believe I may have to leave this forum. There’s a great amount of animosity shown toward me and I’m not sure why. It might be me, maybe, who knows - I didn’t think I would deserve it…
Maybe people here come into contact with Christians who just want to ā€œfightā€ and so the hay has been all bound into one bundle and there is no personalization as to what each person believes or for their reason to be here.
Just wanted you to know this and to thank you in the probable case that I do leave. How to have any fruitful discussion??

GG
 
I’m not a wicked person CM.

I’m a disciple of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

GG
:rolleyes: I never said that you were. My scripture citation is merely one that explains why one such as I should make efforts to help others get their beliefs corrected when they err.

This is also Catholic teaching from the New Testament called one of the Spiritual Works of Mercy. the first two of which apply in this case. 🤷

It also points out that the final results are between the person and God

You need not be so defensive GG. Can’t you just take things objectively?

I do wish you’d pick the top Catholic doctrine that you disagree with, open a new thread on it and let us see if it has much merit. We can do that here in Apologetics with a view towards discovering the truth.

I also note that you have changed your religion to ā€œChristianā€ from ā€œCatholicā€ which is curious. What church do you attend now then? I feel sure that you did not just come up with whatever objections to Catholic teachings on your own, so who helped you to ā€œsee the lightā€?
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:rolleyes: I never said that you were. My scripture citation is merely one that explains why one such as I should make efforts to help others get their beliefs corrected when they err.

This is also Catholic teaching from the New Testament called one of the Spiritual Works of Mercy. the first two of which apply in this case. 🤷

It also points out that the final results are between the person and God

You need not be so defensive GG. Can’t you just take things objectively?

I do wish you’d pick the top Catholic doctrine that you disagree with, open a new thread on it and let us see if it has much merit. We can do that here in Apologetics with a view towards discovering the truth.

I also note that you have changed your religion to ā€œChristianā€ from ā€œCatholicā€ which is curious. What church do you attend now then? I feel sure that you did not just come up with whatever objections to Catholic teachings on your own, so who helped you to ā€œsee the lightā€?
I have some thoughts for you CM before I leave.
You should help others to understand their faith. Too many people don’t. It comes off a little too strong. It’s good for some and turns some off. I’m sure you know what I’m talking about since you’ve been witnessing for a long time it seems.

Since you understand that the final results are between the person and God, then you must also understand that it is NOT our DOCTRINE that saves us but the Lord Jesus who went to the cross for us. Do you really think God is Catholic or Baptist or Lutheran or Jewish? God is God. He’s bigger than all of this. Whether or not I believe in purgatory, for instance, has NOTHING to do with my salvation. The only thing that saves me is my walk TOWARD God and away from satan. So that one day I may meet Him at the end of that walk.

It’s difficult to take things objectively and not be defensive when every thread I’ve been on has not produced good fruit. Instead of discussing the topic at hand, it somehow turns into an attach on me. It may partly be my fault since when I express my opinion I’m seen as an outsider instead of as a sister in Christ. I’m starting to understand this. It’s sad.

So these are the doctrine I don’t agree with.
  1. Confessing to a priest. Jesus gave the Apostles this authority. Did they pass it on?
    I thought only God could forgive sin. The N.T. states EVERY gift that was passed on from Jesus to the Apostles and to the next generation. No mention of confession.
Plus, do you realize what problems confession causes? The teaching of confessing each sin instead of turning one’s life over to Jesus makes for much confusion and misunderstanding. I hear of scrupulousity in these threads - no such mention of this in Protestantism.
  1. Purgatory. I’m so tired of hearing 1 Corinthians 3:11.15 refers to Purgatory. Do a study sometime on the word ā€œfireā€ in these verses. Go back to the Hebrew and see if the second ā€œfireā€ in verse 13 might not refer to the work of Jesus.
Plus, do you realize it means that Christ’s sacrifice was not SUFFICIENT.
Are we getting to heaven because of Christ’s atoning sacrifice OR are we getting there under our own steam? The decision must be made.
  1. Infant Baptism. At baptism we are justified. How is a baby justified if he doesn’t even know God or is able to make the decision to serve God? Justification happens when we decide to serve the Almighty. Even the early church Fathers knew this and wrote about it. And why does the CC insist on mixing up Justification and Sanctification?? We don’t have enough difficult stuff to sift through? So the work of sanctification begins when a baby is 3 months old or a year old? Doesn’t that screw up the doctrine of our sin nature or concupiscense?
Those are the biggies. I’m not starting any threads because I’m not here to convince anyone of anything because to me you could believe all of the above and I wouldn’t say you’re not saved, or you’re incorrect. God will judge by the light we have. No need to argue. I was hoping for fellowship because not too many people in the real world like to talk about God. And I do - but about His love and how we’re the same - not argue about what’s different in each Christian sect. Although I don’t agree with all protestant doctrine either, like OSAS for instance.

I explained to you that I attend a Catholic church now, but that I cannot consider myself a true Catholic. On another thread I spoke about having spoken to a priest a know this morning to make sure about something I had said and a poster said I LIED. Using that word. Maybe he doesn’t have access to priests, but I do. So how would THAT make you feel? A bit defensive, I’m afraid.

I like you and will pray for you to continue in your work. I was looking up something about Amoris Laetitia and the famous chapter 8 and I think it lead me to something of yours. So please keep working for the Kingdom.

I’m really sorry this didn’t work out for me. I picked my name because I’m interested in spreading around God’s love and grace and mercy. I don’t like condemnation and I see a lot of it in different churches.
John 3:17

Peace
GG
 
Hi

I believe I may have to leave this forum. There’s a great amount of animosity shown toward me and I’m not sure why. It might be me, maybe, who knows - I didn’t think I would deserve it…
Maybe people here come into contact with Christians who just want to ā€œfightā€ and so the hay has been all bound into one bundle and there is no personalization as to what each person believes or for their reason to be here.
Just wanted you to know this and to thank you in the probable case that I do leave. How to have any fruitful discussion??

GG
Yes, there are some of us here that go around with a chip on the shoulder, more so here in Apologetics. I, in fact, looked for Reformed Christians because I love to debate with them. It starts out adversarial and usually stays that way. I constantly have to work on my charity.

But before you leave CAF, I encourage you to hang out on the Spirituality subforum. I find the tone to be quite different there, and probably more to your liking.
 
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