If my Car broke down I’d take my Truck and if it broke down I’d take my Camper and if all three broke down then perhaps it would be the Will of GOD that I go to the OF and since that hasnt happened - then I should assume it isnt his will under the same line of thinking. And BTW I did See the Pope (JPII) already in St Louis I waved as he went by and I didnt even have to go to an OF Mass to do it.
Well said. I knew before I hit send what expressing ones opinion on this subject would mean. Because you are right - there is no tolerance for those of us who love only tradition. We are deemed outcasts.
I think you are approaching the issue the wrong way. Our bishop for one is very supportive of the TLM, and yet there is only one FSSP parish in our archdiocese. Its not about supressing it but the feasibility of establishing EF masses. Fact is, a great amount of Catholics in a given area prefer the OF over the EF. If there is an EF mass in every parish, how many people would attend it regularly? There is so much that goes into that decision so please do not throw out unfounded suspicions of conspiracy theories unless you have solid evidence that there is one in fact.
a beautyfull Tradition giving to us by the Jews, today it is despised and spitted. the modernists wants a new Church controlled and ditated by humans. they dont even realize that by doing that; they are despizing what God has giving us. just think what would happened to the Jews if they had authored the Worship God had commanded them to do. we dont choose how to Worship God. He gave it to us but modernists wants to destroy what is of God to replace with their own. just think of all the changes that has happened and how the holy father is almost alone fighting against it. thank God for the Traditional Church which God has protected and preserved for a times like these. the gates of hell will not prevail against it. Gloria Deo.
I do believe it is about preference. But oftentimes discussions between the OF and EF isn’t about what one prefers, but that the other form is painted in a negative light. Its one thing to prefer one form over the other, its another to say the other form is not legitimate, suspect, questionable or even outright a sacrilege. Thats not about preference anymore.
perhaps the bishops of the world could realize that they dont have anything to fear by allowing the TLM instead of forbid this so desired Mass to the people. why do you think they are so against which is holy is the Traditional Mass? why do you think they are so against a Mass that has been passed on to us from the beginning to the point that the holy father had to interveeing? who has the problem, the Traditionas or the NO people?
Yes, I see where I failed to make my entire point. But it seems that after the breakup the woman was left where she was. I should have said that he didn’t have to continue the relationship with her but at least help her get in line with the teaching of the Church.
I know that I am not superior or holier than those who go to the OF. I know it is a valid Mass and a means of grace. But I think that the prayers of the EF do not express the Church’s Eucharistic theology with the clarity and richness of the OF. I see this as an objective problem, not my personal feeling. How can I say this without causing offense? Or is this not possible?
Please read my earlier post in response to yours. I don’t think you are being fair in throwing out an accusation for something that you cannot prove. I do not want to retype everything again, but I have addressed all your questions in that post.
There is no “Traditional Church” my friend. There is only one Church that Christ established. There isn’t even a “Traditional Rite”, there is only the Roman/Latin Rite.
No one has banned the TLM.
I disagree with approaching this as if trads are completely innocent victims. I have seen plenty of inflammatory and intolerant comments from trads and probably even written some of it myself. Both “sides” contribute to this problem and each of us has to take responsibility for what we are doing wrong, not just keep complaining about the faults of the other.
Very well said!
No, sorry. I didn’t mean to address my entire post to just you even though I was replying to your post. Sometimes its hard to separate my points which addresses your concerns and the general topic at hand.
First, kindly refer to the Mass as the Novus Ordo or the Ordinary Form. How would you like it if somebody called the TLM the “antiquated mass” or “old mass”? I have never heard this, and would never do it myself because of the level of disrespect it carries. I think it fair to expect the same consideration
Robert: Well right now I can point to 6 different attacks to what I have written and my opinion is centered on what I as an individual think - I cast no aspersions on the beliefs of others and yet when I expressed that opinion I was for all intents and purposes called a Racist - a Pope Hater - a defector - a person willing to not fulfill my Sunday Obligation , Etc . So you might forward that opinion if you care to - but in this simple exercise - I challenge anyone to show where I have leveled the least bit of criticism over what anyone else does. I simply stated what I dont like and why. I have yet to point out a single fault in anyone else. Can those who responded to my opnion say the same?
really? where do you live? do you ever listen to what the holy father says?
Before Summorum Pontificum there were many places in which the TLM was, in effect, banned. Even now, there are bishops who do not obey SP.
You were never called a racist, which was made abundantly clear. What was criticized was your logic, which is faulty, at best.