Dear Pastor, Can I Come to Your Church? Inside a new experiment on evangelicals, mainline Protestants, and race

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Whether there is bias or misrepresentation or not, the experimental method used is seriously flawed. They made certain assumptions during the collection of their data that really influence the results. Primarily, the results they plotted assumed that all churches respond to inquiries. Only sending a single inquiry to a single church you cannot infer that the church was biased in any way. They simply could be very poor at responding to emails or emails go to a black hole. They wanted a quick result and took some shortcuts to achieve it. A valid sample would have included emails from multiple “races” to the same church. You really cannot assume just because a church didn’t respond to a particular email that it indicates any sort of preference. I don’t deny that preferences don’t exist but I think the experiment leads to inaccurate conclusions.
 
I agree with AbideWithMe. I’m not seeing any obvious bias or any methodological flaws.
Whether there is bias or misrepresentation or not, the experimental method used is seriously flawed. They made certain assumptions during the collection of their data that really influence the results. Primarily, the results they plotted assumed that all churches respond to inquiries. Only sending a single inquiry to a single church you cannot infer that the church was biased in any way. They simply could be very poor at responding to emails or emails go to a black hole.
I’m not sure how it is you came to these conclusions given that the article mentions why fleshing out a conclusion from a single datum (one email to one church) wouldn’t suffice, and they even mention the very alternative explanation for a lack of response that you mentioned:

Here’s the logic of our study. Each church would receive one email. Some churches would reply and some would not. We couldn’t know if the actions of any single church were discriminatory. For example, suppose Jose Hernandez sent a letter to St. Theodore’s in Des Moines and a church staff member didn’t reply. What would this mean? It could mean that St. Theodore’s had a really busy week launching their mixed martial arts–themed children’s ministry, and they forgot to write back. Or maybe they never reply to anyone. Or maybe they were put off by Jose’s apparent Hispanic ethnicity. We don’t know.

So no single email response tells us if a particular church harbors implicit racial bias. Where we can detect churches’ bias is in the aggregate. Since each church got the same letter at about the same time, if churches replied differently to different names, it had to be due to the names themselves. And if Jong Soo Kim’s letters received significantly fewer replies than Greg Murphy’s, the disparity reveals a difference in the status conferred upon them.

This is how all experiments work, no matter what field of study you’re in. Individual data points mean nothing on their own. It’s the aggregate that matters. When you send out over 3000 emails to churches all across the country, representing every congressional district, that were randomly selected, then the gross differences in response can indeed be chalked up to the lone independent variable: the ethnicity of the name of the email sender. This is why the researchers can be confident that Mainline Protestant churches in America are 15% less likely to respond to an email from a Hispanic person than a White person (see the first bar graph in the article) due to them being Hispanic, and not due, say, to carelessness, forgetfulness, or some other reason. Given the large sample size the effects of such mitigating factors would be normalized over all sets.
They wanted a quick result and took some shortcuts to achieve it. A valid sample would have included emails from multiple “races” to the same church. You really cannot assume just because a church didn’t respond to a particular email that it indicates any sort of preference. I don’t deny that preferences don’t exist but I think the experiment leads to inaccurate conclusions.
This is absolutely how not to perform an experiment of any kind. The race differential among the emails is the independent variable. It’s the one and only one thing that is supposed to be different for each subject. Sending each and every church an email from each of the represented races would mean that the race differential is no longer variable. The whole purpose of experimentation is to see how some expected result (the dependent variable) varies as the independent variable varies.

Using your logic in biomedical research (which I’m more familiar with) you’d have us give both a placebo and the drug of interest to all patients. This would obviously give us useless data since we’d have no way of knowing whether the experimental drug had any effect. If I’m testing the efficacy of three different new cancer drugs against a placebo, and relative to one another, I wouldn’t give all four pills to every patient in the study. Similarly you wouldn’t send an email from each of the three “experimental races” (Black, Hispanic, and Asian) along with an email from the “control race” (White) to each and every church.

By doing so you’ve inadvertently introduced another variable to the experiment: sequence. What if the church secretary only has time to answer one or two emails and doesn’t get around to the other three or four? What if the church secretary grows suspicious by the fact that she has just received four seemingly identical requests in tandem when it’s quite possible this church rarely if ever gets such requests by email? This would be an even worse result since the test subject has been unblinded and you’d no longer see the effects of implicit racial bias, which if you recall is the very object of this experiment!

Furthermore, even if a particular church responds to some but not all of the emails and you can rule out any effect due to sequence since the first and last emails were responded to but one or both of the middle two were not responded to, the best we’d be able to conclude from this is that there’s evidence of explicit racial bias, which isn’t the objective of the experiment.

Take this lesson to your stats students: We don’t control for extraneous variables by administering every single one of the independent variables to each and every one of the test subjects. Doing so would render the independent variables nonvariable! Instead we make sure that our sample is sufficiently large, and that the administration of the independent variables are sufficiently randomized among all test subjects.
 
I have a comment about this survey. The researchers don’t know much about the Catholic Church. If you are a Catholic, you don’t shop around for churches. The Eucharist is available only in the Catholic Church. And it doesn’t even matter how one spell their names or whether the mass is in a language that the person understand. When it is time for Holy Communion, it is time. The mass is the same everywhere. We pop into Catholic Churches everywhere in the world unannounced.

Many Catholic Churches are small and not that well funded. Many priests don’t even have an assistant to check their emails and they are too busy with pastoral care. Hospital visits, prison visits, bringing the Host to the sick and immobile, attending retreats, attending courses, teaching etc. Some have to drive out to rural areas on 4 wheel drives because there are sheep there. We don’t have a Sales and Marketing Dept or a PR person to handle such emails. If the priest is out, he is out. Our out of town visitors just pop in and if the priest is aware of their presence, may make an announcement welcoming them to our parish. But for most, we are pretty low profile when at a foreign Catholic Church. The only time I shop for a Catholic Church is to find one which mass times, language and location is convenient.

This survey sort of assumes the infrastructure support is the same in all the churches. But is it the same? A good researcher would want to eliminate other variables before coming to a conclusion.
 
I don’t think there was any bias or deliberate misrepresentation of data. The article shows none; the numbers on the graphs are clearly in place for all to see; and well, folks, it’s not a great practice to just skim over the bars of a graph and ignore the article which is the real substance of the topic, unless you intend to have merely the shallowest understanding of a topic.

I think we’re simply looking at plain old artist error, not some anti-Catholic conspiracy on the part of the CT graphics department.
Absolutely! That’s the skill I’m supposed to be trying to convey to my students.
 
I have a comment about this survey. The researchers don’t know much about the Catholic Church. If you are a Catholic, you don’t shop around for churches. The Eucharist is available only in the Catholic Church. And it doesn’t even matter how one spell their names or whether the mass is in a language that the person understand. When it is time for Holy Communion, it is time. The mass is the same everywhere. We pop into Catholic Churches everywhere in the world unannounced.

Many Catholic Churches are small and not that well funded. Many priests don’t even have an assistant to check their emails and they are too busy with pastoral care. Hospital visits, prison visits, bringing the Host to the sick and immobile, attending retreats, attending courses, teaching etc. Some have to drive out to rural areas on 4 wheel drives because there are sheep there. We don’t have a Sales and Marketing Dept or a PR person to handle such emails. If the priest is out, he is out. Our out of town visitors just pop in and if the priest is aware of their presence, may make an announcement welcoming them to our parish. But for most, we are pretty low profile when at a foreign Catholic Church. The only time I shop for a Catholic Church is to find one which mass times, language and location is convenient.

This survey sort of assumes the infrastructure support is the same in all the churches. But is it the same? A good researcher would want to eliminate other variables before coming to a conclusion.
You sound as if you think every Protestant church has tons of staff just sitting around answering emails and taking calls. No, every Protestant church is not rich nor is every Protestant church a megachurch. And unless you are a church with its own record company (like Hillsong) I don’t know of any church with a “Sales and Marketing Dept.”
 
You sound as if you think every Protestant church has tons of staff just sitting around answering emails and taking calls. No, every Protestant church is not rich nor is every Protestant church a megachurch. And unless you are a church with its own record company (like Hillsong) I don’t know of any church with a “Sales and Marketing Dept.”
:rotfl:
When I pastored a small rural church in the 1990s I was the preacher, the song leader, the Sunday School teacher, Bible study teacher, vistitation director, evangelistic director, van driver, janitor, lawn maintance…
I became Catholic again because I needed the rest!
 
Absolutely! That’s the skill I’m supposed to be trying to convey to my students.
That’s good. The graphs here + article combined are indeed a good lesson in taking time to look carefully and critically, along with reading the information provided, before forming a judgment as to what the information is really saying. Learning to reserve judgment is a good skill to work on throughout our whole lives. 🙂
 
This survey sort of assumes the infrastructure support is the same in all the churches. But is it the same? A good researcher would want to eliminate other variables before coming to a conclusion.
No, this survey does not assume that the infrastructure in all 3000 churches surveyed are the same. Could we all please read the actual article before offering criticism of the methodology? I know it’s a bit of a long read, but I promise you it’s worthwhile.

The sample size is sufficiently large to control for all these extraneous variables, including but not limited to church resources. For every small, rural parish surveyed there’s a ginormous, affluent, urban parish surveyed. The only way differences in resources could have made a difference in the responses received is if a very large majority of the affluent, resource-heavy churches received emails from mostly one ethnic group (presumably whichever received the most responses) while a very large majority of the poorer, resourceless churches received emails from mostly another ethnic group (presumably whichever received the fewest responses). With a sample size of 3000+ it is incredibly improbable that such should occur if the churches were truly randomized.
 
I have a comment about this survey. The researchers don’t know much about the Catholic Church. If you are a Catholic, you don’t shop around for churches. The Eucharist is available only in the Catholic Church. And it doesn’t even matter how one spell their names or whether the mass is in a language that the person understand. When it is time for Holy Communion, it is time. The mass is the same everywhere. We pop into Catholic Churches everywhere in the world unannounced.
Eric makes a good point.

The word Catholic itself means universal and I have 17,000 “Churches” worldwide to choose from. I don’t look for a new Church. I go to the Universal Catholic Church at whatever parish I happen to be in at the time.

We also have to remember that some of the mainline Protestant Churches split during the Civil War over the issue of slavery. This is how we got the Presbyterian Church USA and the Presbyterian Church of America as well as the Southern Baptists. Here in Georgia there are still places where Evangelicals won’t cross county lines or won’t cross a major highway to worship with the “those people” who live “over there.” Like it or not, whether people talk about it or not, 150 years later there are still many ethnically black non-denominational Churches here in suburban Atlanta as well as many small Baptist Churches where everyone is white.

If there is division in the Catholic Church it is because of the language used in any given Mass. (ProVobis will pop in with a rant here no doubt - love you brother!) I don’t see that as overt racism though.

-Tim-
 
No, this survey does not assume that the infrastructure in all 3000 churches surveyed are the same. Could we all please read the actual article before offering criticism of the methodology? I know it’s a bit of a long read, but I promise you it’s worthwhile.

The sample size is sufficiently large to control for all these extraneous variables, including but not limited to church resources. For every small, rural parish surveyed there’s a ginormous, affluent, urban parish surveyed. The only way differences in resources could have made a difference in the responses received is if a very large majority of the affluent, resource-heavy churches received emails from mostly one ethnic group (presumably whichever received the most responses) while a very large majority of the poorer, resourceless churches received emails from mostly another ethnic group (presumably whichever received the fewest responses). With a sample size of 3000+ it is incredibly improbable that such should occur if the churches were truly randomized.
Yes, I read the article. The researcher stated that he undersampled Catholic parishes. The results for the Catholic parishes were NOT large enough to control for variables. The difference between each bar could be one or two parishes.

For a Catholic parish, getting an email like this would be considered very odd. I am surprized they got as many responses as they did.

At best, this is an invitation for more research.
 
Yes, I read the article. The researcher stated that he undersampled Catholic parishes. The results for the Catholic parishes were NOT large enough to control for variables. The difference between each bar could be one or two parishes.

For a Catholic parish, getting an email like this would be considered very odd. I am surprized they got as many responses as they did.

At best, this is an invitation for more research.
That’s fair enough. I read ericc’s criticism more broadly and not specific to Catholic data. While the researchers admit that in hindsight their Catholic sample was too small (they don’t specify how, though I wish they did), the data they did obtain is nevertheless quite favorable to the Catholic Church in America. Catholics appear to harbor as little implicit racial bias as Evangelical Christians. My bet is that the researchers determined the sample to be too small once they calculated the standard error (which is where statisticians get the amount of “uncertainty” in the measurement that you usually see reported after a datum… e.g. "President Obama has an approval rating of 20 ± 2%. The ± 2% is calculated from standard error). When the standard error becomes enormous relative to the actual datum it becomes obvious your sample was too small (e.g. 20 ± 10% is very large since the true value would be anywhere between 10% and 30%).

In the various biochemical labs I’ve worked in over the years a typical practice is to make replicate measurements of the same thing, take an average, and then set the standard error to 1 standard deviation from the mean. There have been times when one of the replicate measurements was so far from the other measurements that the mean (and subsequently standard deviation) were so skewed that we’d end up with something like 5.00 µM ± 16.00 µM which is obviously ludicrous. The true value of substance is somewhere between a negative and positive value!? 😃 Either whoever took that one measurement made a huge mistake somewhere, or the flux in data is so large that you really should’ve had a significantly larger sample of replicate measurements.
 
Another Interesting stat from the article.
But evangelicals aren’t simply more racially segregated. They also report relatively high levels of racially prejudiced attitudes. For example, in 2008, 34 percent of white US evangelicals reported being uncomfortable with a close relative or family member marrying an African American. This was significantly higher than mainline Protestants (28%), Catholics (25%), and the religiously unaffiliated (12%). Likewise, evangelicals feel less warmly toward nonwhites, and a small but meaningful minority of evangelicals is less likely to support a political candidate if they are black or Hispanic. Evangelicals are also more likely to support laws against interracial marriage and for racial discrimination in home sales. Sociologist Robert Putnam put it this way in his 2010 book, American Grace: “Evangelicals are no less—and perhaps even more—racist than members of other religious traditions.”
 
there is no value to the article nor can inferences be drawn -there are numerous confounding variables ( such as age-financial level-geographic location - history of attending other denominations-are a few) in any anlaysis these need to be controlled with standard statistical techniques such as logistic regression-if proper statistical rigor had been applied at best you could perhaps come up with an association-

the Missouri Synod is evangelical??
maybe in name
 
We also have to remember that some of the mainline Protestant Churches split during the Civil War over the issue of slavery. This is how we got the Presbyterian Church USA and the Presbyterian Church of America as well as the Southern Baptists.
The Civil War division of the Presbyterian Church has been healed for decades. You are confusing the Presbyterian denominations (which is easy to do).

In 1861, the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America split over the slavery issue (more specifically over the Gardiner Spring Resolution that instructed all Presbyterians to be loyal to the Federal Government and the United States Constitution).

Southern Presbyterians created the Presbyterian Church in the Confederate States of America. After the South’s defeat, the Southern church was renamed the Presbyterian Church in the United States.

So, after the Civil War, there were 2 major Presbyterian denominations in the US divided along regional lines with very similar sounding names. Of course, most people just called them the Northern church and the Southern church.

In 1958, the Northern church merged with the United Presbyterian Church of North America. This church was a smaller Presbyterian body with a Seceder and Covenanter heritage. The new church was named the United Presbyterian Church in the United States of America.

In 1983, the United Presbyterian Church merged with the Presbyterian Church in the United States (aka “Southern church”). The new church is called the Presbyterian Church (USA). This church remains the largest Presbyterian church in the US and is also the most liberal. Nevertheless, it represents both the Northern and Southern branches of mainline Presbyterianism in this country.

The Presbyterian Church in America was founded in 1973 as a schism within the Southern Presbyterian Church. The PCA is more confessional whereas the PCUS was more liberal.

The Southern Baptist Convention began in the South but is now a national Baptist denomination. In fact, many black Baptist churches have dual membership in the Southern Baptist Convention and the historically black conventions.
 
Another Interesting stat from the article.
Actually, those aren’t their findings. They are summing up what other researches have found based on opinion polls. The writers of the article actually found that mainline Protestants were more racially biased than evangelicals.
Evangelical and Catholic churches varied little across the letters. For every 100 evangelical churches that responded to white-sounding names, 97 replied to black names, 100 to Hispanic, and 94 to Asian. These differences were not statistically significant. Likewise with the Catholic parishes. (Though, since we included relatively fewer parishes, our tests of them were statistically weaker than for evangelical and mainline churches.)
The mainline Protestant churches? That is where the discrimination happened. For every 100 mainline churches that replied to white-sounding names, 89 replied to black names, 86 to Hispanic, and only 72 to Asian. Think about it. A letter simply having the “wrong” name significantly reduced these churches’ likelihood of welcoming a potential visitor.
The point is that evangelicals are better in practice while mainline Protestants say all the “right things.”
 
the Missouri Synod is evangelical?? maybe in name
The LCMS and its relationship to American-styled Evangelicalism is complicated. I believe, however, that Pietism and Evangelicalism are threats that leaders of the LCMS do worry about because there are some congregations in the LCMS that do take on elements of these identities.

I think the researchers were using the two-tier structure of American Protestantism in which every denomination is organized into “Mainline Protestant” or “Evangelical Protestant” where “Mainline” usually stands in for “more or less liberal” and Evangelical stands in for “more or less conservative.”
 
That’s fair enough. I read ericc’s criticism more broadly and not specific to Catholic data. While the researchers admit that in hindsight their Catholic sample was too small (they don’t specify how, though I wish they did), the data they did obtain is nevertheless quite favorable to the Catholic Church in America. Catholics appear to harbor as little implicit racial bias as Evangelical Christians. My bet is that the researchers determined the sample to be too small once they calculated the standard error (which is where statisticians get the amount of “uncertainty” in the measurement that you usually see reported after a datum… e.g. "President Obama has an approval rating of 20 ± 2%. The ± 2% is calculated from standard error). When the standard error becomes enormous relative to the actual datum it becomes obvious your sample was too small (e.g. 20 ± 10% is very large since the true value would be anywhere between 10% and 30%).

In the various biochemical labs I’ve worked in over the years a typical practice is to make replicate measurements of the same thing, take an average, and then set the standard error to 1 standard deviation from the mean. There have been times when one of the replicate measurements was so far from the other measurements that the mean (and subsequently standard deviation) were so skewed that we’d end up with something like 5.00 µM ± 16.00 µM which is obviously ludicrous. The true value of substance is somewhere between a negative and positive value!? 😃 Either whoever took that one measurement made a huge mistake somewhere, or the flux in data is so large that you really should’ve had a significantly larger sample of replicate measurements.
Perhaps a simple “Read Receipt” would have help in sorting out this data. What the researchers should be measuring is

a) number of emails read and responded

rather than

b) number of emails sent and responded.

I may have missed it but I don’t think they mentioned the read receipt status. In my old days of working for an online business, the measurement is clicks/eyeball. If you didn’t see it, it doesn’t matter how often you advertised. The emails sent must be read for the stats to mean anything. Otherwise there will always be doubt whether the intended recipient read it.

They could have clustered similar churches together for example to reduce infrastructure differences due to big/small, rich/poor churches. Although I do sympathize with them that such data may not be easily available. Wait a minute I thought churches do submit stats occasionally? Like membership, funds, no of employees, no of clergy etc?

Personally I don’t believe churches have a built in mechanism for racial bias. It would be more revealing if the race of the email recipient is known. Perhaps the clergy in that church was white, another Latino, another Black and another Asian. If however the email recipients were all say of a certain race, then one may make a correlation using the type of churches as the variable since we held the race factor constant. Sorry for this dry content. Stats is not my favorite subject either. But we have phobias redoing our surveys. I just think the researchers tried to do too much without sanitizing their population set.
 
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