Dear Protestants, if the "Holy Spirit" leads you in interpreting the Bible...

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=Edmundus1581;7339432] This question was one which got me questioning protestantism very soon after I became a Christian!
So, you’re saying that a protestant communion was instrumental in your becoming Christian? Perhaps I am misreading.
In my time as a protestant I heard three different answers to this:
  1. The different interpretations are all like different “facets of a diamond”, and they don’t really contradict, but are “reconciled in Christ”. The people who said this nevertheless also believed that those who disagreed with them on matters which were important to them(eg. ordination of women, creationism, whatever…) were just plain “wrong”. :rotfl:
  1. We shouldn’t attempt to “interpret” scripture - we should just accept what is actually written. That is where most new denominations come from - they believe that their current denomination is “interpreting” scripture, rather than obeying it as written. Most of the 30,000 protestant denominations describe themselves as “pure scripture” and “bible believing”. (the rofl is also appropriate here)
  1. The “bible believing” Christians are all arriving at a concensus of doctrine, and will eventually be united in one “bible believing” church. The current confusion arose because “biblical Christianity” was suppressed by the Roman church since and it has taken some time to recover “the truth”.
Funny, I’ve never heard any of these, though in number 1, I wouldn’t take it upon myself to doubt the faith of others, even if some of their beliefs are heterodox. And I certainly won’t rofl at their faith.

Jon
 
There is actually less disagreement on the Bishop of Rome than we might think. The Orthodox are not as united as we think. They each have their own Patriarchs, but exist in semi-isolation from one another.
Hi po,
Isn’t this exactly why they - the early Church both east and west - relied on councils?
I believe that is is only the influence of the Holy Spirit which preserves them from separating further than they have.
I think they would say the CC has separated further. That said, I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit guides both Churches, and mine, too. Of course, “guiding” is an active, present tense word, not past tense. His guidance is ongoing, in all Christian communities, with the intent to guide us all into all truth - at least upon entering the Church Triumphant.
The filioque point of contention I view as almost manufactured, since the Nicene creed does not countermand the Orthodox view, and also preceded the great schism
I find myself unable to disagree. Then again, Lutherans are western Christians and confess the Nicene Creed with the Filioque in place. 😃

Jon
 
=Daegus;7339192]Then why is it that there are so many different things that you cannot agree upon amongst yourselves? Surely the HS doesn’t teach multiple truths on the same issue.
He does not multiple truths. However, as I am sure you aware, people are wrong. For example, I would assume that many Catholics believe the Holy Spirit has inspired them to be believe in the claims of their church being infallible in certain matters. Yes someone is clearly wrong. However, the claim of an infallible interpreter has no impact on people who are fairly certain that interpreter is quite fallible.
As has been stated previously, it cuts both ways.
How are you supposed to know who’s right when the words ‘euthanasia’, ‘abortion’ and ‘masturbation’ aren’t to be found anywhere in the Bible? With no one to speak infallibly on behalf of scripture interpretation, how will your dispute ever end?
I do not believe the dispute will ever end. In fact, I believe the Bible clearly teaches that there will be false teachers. It is common for young people such as yourself to question how exactly one can ascertain the correct answer. In fact adults struggle with the same questions. The key is understand that Truth is found in an infallible Bible and that knowing the correct church according to scripture centers on an examination of fruits.
 
Well said!!! Protestants see in the Catholic Church the same problems that Catholics see in the Protestant Churches. The sad thing is that none of us seem to honestly acknowledge the problems in our own group.

I know many good and holy Protestants, just as I also know many good and holy Catholics. I also know many in both groups whose lives seem to be a contradiction. I choose to enjoy the fellowship of the “good and holy,” wherever I find them.
reminds of a quote by Michel Medved: (conservative Jewish commentator) after someone accused him of being too “Christian friendly”

Paraphrasing " I have more in common with a Christian believer than a Jewish non -believer"

In the same way “good and holy” Protestants have more in common with “good and holy” Catholics than the pew- potatoe or C & E’r Protestants.
or
“good and holy” Catholics have more in common with “good and holy” Protestants than the pew- potatoe or C & E’r Catholics

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Depends on which quarter of the ACNA you’re looking. If you’re in my diocese, there is no women’s ordination, very traditional, pro-life, old school. But there are parts of the ACNA with lady priestesses and evangelical hallelujah action going on that an anglo-catholic would find troublesome and a person opposed to WO would find disturbing. ANCA is a bi-polar body and I can say that because I’m in it right now! 😛 Imagine Metropolitan Jonah of the OCA Orthodox coming and preaching to a bunch of evangelical Anglicans at the ACNA kick-off event to drop women’s ordination, drop Calvinism, and dump the filioque and they all look at each other with a big grin indicating, “yeah…sure!” 😛
The ACNA is the kind of traditional church you’re probably looking for. Good luck in your search.
 
Besides, what makes your exegesis anymore credible than someone else’s? Both of you claim to have the HS on your back, but only 1 of you has it right.
Protestants will claim that the HS helps guide us, but it’s a very rare Protestant that will claim divine protection from error. That’s more of a pope thing. Protestants don’t do it, so when someone errs, we don’t say “Wait a minute- the HS was supposed to keep you from error.” We just say “I think you made an error. It happens to everybody sometimes, so let’s talk about it.”

As to what makes one person’s exegesis more credible than another’s, I assure you, it has nothing to do with the degree to which the HS protected one of them from error. It ultimately comes down to the quality of their work and who did a better job. If it’s good work, we say “That person did good work with the help of the Holy Spirit.” We do not say “That person did good work because the Holy Spirit kept him from error. When he wrote that, he was infallible.”

Of course, this does not prevent us from being 100% certain that something is done well. We aren’t incapable of recognizing good from bad when it’s sitting right in front of us. Why else would you put the work of a Catholic apologist in front of a Protestant? I know your intent- you want to talk to a Protestant who is 100% certain that the Catholic apologist produced something of high quality. You presuppose that the quality of his work is self-evident and that it can be perceived by anyone who can read things and understand them.

Imagine that you tell a Protestant to read a few articles by Jimmy Akin. I seriously doubt that you would tell him “Jimmy wasn’t protected from error when he wrote this, and it wasn’t inspired by God, either. So you can’t be 100% sure that it’s consistent with Catholic teaching. Keep that in mind.” You wouldn’t do that because you know it’s not true. When you read a given article, you can bear in mind that it wasn’t inspired by God and Jimmy wasn’t protected from error like a pope speaking ex cathedra, but you can still read it and know that it’s consistent with Church teaching. Church teaching is knowable because the Church wants you to know it and makes it widely available to you. Most Catholics don’t know it well, but most Catholics on CAF do because they care about it and make it a priority. If you know Cathoic teaching, you can read something by Jimmy Akin and know that his article is consistent with Catholic teaching. You can be 100% sure of this in spite of the fact that it wasn’t God-inspired or protected from error by God.

You see where this is going, right? It’s like Mad Libs, or some kind of word replacement game. In the previous paragraph, remove “Church teaching” and replace it with “God’s Word, the Bible.” There’s also one other thing you’ll have to change- where it initially says “the Church wants you to know it and makes it widely available,” replace it with “God wants you to know it and makes it widely available.” You should also assume that we’re not talking about Jimmy Akin- instead, we’re talking about a Protestant theologian who writes something of a theological bent.
The issue is also that since you have no one to speak infallibly for you no one can truly be certain of anything regarding their faith.
Even though we don’t have a leader who claims divine protection from error at times, we can still be truly certain of various things regarding our faith. Divine protection from error is not the only avenue to true certainty. I’m certain of all kinds of things without divine revelation or any sort of protection from error. Yes, truly certain. 100%. For example, I am 100% certain that the LA Lakers have a record of 15-6 and are currently sitting in 4th place in the Western Conference. God did not reveal this to me, and the folks at nba.com do not enjoy divine protection from error. But I am every bit as sure of the Lakers’ 15-6 record as I possibly can be.

Likewise, there are a variety of things pertaining to the Christian faith that do not have God as their author, nor did God protect the author from error. Nevertheless, I can be 100% certain of their accuracy in the same way that I attain 100% certainty of anything else that wasn’t authored by God or protected from error by Him. For example, the Miami Heat and New York Knicks are both riding 5-game win streaks. Do I have to say I’m any less than 100% sure of this? I say no.

There’s one other thing I’m sure of. The Catholic teaching of papal infallibility is inconsistent with the nature and role of the papacy in the first millennium, it was an invention whose purpose was to fight the ill effects of the Enlightenment, and it was a grave and short-sighted mistake because it helped set back the possibility of re-uniting the East and West by about 1,000 years.
I think it’s also fair to say that Jesus only really established ONE church upon Peter to teach ONE truth. Since the Bible also says that the Church is the pillar and the foundation of truth I think it’s equally fair to say that Jesus did not intend to establish a body of mystical believers divided in opinion, but an actual physical Church where the truth could be taught.
Ok, that’s a fair comparison. You’re looking for ONE church built upon ONE truth that claims to be the one established by Jesus.

That narrows it down to the East and the West, and…what else are we comparing? Ah, yes, it’s fair to say that Jesus did not intend to establish a body of mystical believers divided in opinion.

Clearly, the West is far more divided than the East. Unless you seriously believe the only Christians in the West are Catholics and everyone else has apostasized, Christianity in the West is very much divided and the East is very much unified by comparison.

What conclusion did you intend to draw from this comparison?
 
Protestants will claim that the HS helps guide us, but it’s a very rare Protestant that will claim divine protection from error.
I used to listen to the sermons of Dr. James Kennedy, a pastor of the Reformed (Calvinist) Church. He very much insisted that the practice of homosexuality and “gay marriage” are sinful. But then, I became aware that certain Protestant denominations (Episcopalians?) disagree, and ordained a Bishop who is openly gay. At this time I also wasn’t sure that the Catholic Church has got it right (the CC of course says what Dr. James Kennedy the Reformed Church’s pastor says). And I felt very uneasy about not being able to know God’s will for sure. I used to have two colleagues, both very nice guys, both practicing gay men. I wasn’t going to bring up the subject, but if any of them did, and asked for my opinion, what could I say to them? I could only say that according to some Christians, God approves of homosexuality, but according to others, God regards homosexuality as a serious sin. And if I personally take the opinion that practicing homosexuality is wrong, while God approves it, then I am guilty of bigotry and creating divisions among Christians. But if I say that the practice of homosexuality is perfectly acceptable from a moral standpoint, while in fact God condemns it, then I risk the sin of misleading people who may want to discuss the subject with me, and I risk causing (in part) their destruction, by encouraging them to sin.

What I want to say is that I realized, these things are not without consequences. It was imperative to find out, if possible, who’s on the right side of issues and who’s in error.

By listening to many Protestant ministries, it sounded to me as if, in their opinion, the Church is everywhere you can find Christians believers. That is, the Church is present in the Reformed Calvinist community that rejects homosexuality, and the Church is also present in the Episcopalian community that accepts and embraces homosexuality as a morally legitimate form of diversity.

In contrast to the Protestant understanding of what the Church is, the Catholic creed says that there is ONE Church (which, according to Catholic belief, is the Catholic Church), and true (error-free) teaching can be found in this ONE Church. OK, more exactly, the Church is one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic. It’s a visible organization that’s easy to find, even geographically and physically. And the Eastern/Oriental Orthodox, and Protestant Churches (or Protestant Faith Communities, more exactly) are not part of the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church which is error-free and which has the fullness of truth. However, according to Catholic understanding, the other Churches and Faith Communities do possess part of the truth, mixed with errors, and they are in a less than perfect communion with the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church established by Jesus Christ.
Unless you seriously believe the only Christians in the West are Catholics and everyone else has apostasized, Christianity in the West is very much divided and the East is very much unified by comparison.
According to Catholic understanding, Catholics are not the only Christians in the West. But only the Catholic Church, through its Magisterium and Bishops in Communion with the Pope, teaches the faith correctly. Any Christian, be they Catholics (baptized members of the Catholic Church) or non-Catholics, will risk making erroneous judgments if they do not hold fast to what the Catholic Church teaches, through its Magisterium and Bishops in communion with the Pope. Catholic and non-Catholic Christian believers, even Catholic Bishops can fall into error, if they choose to disagree with the Pope and with the Magisterium.

As a side note, Christianity is also divided in the East. There are the Catholics in the East, such as Melkite, Maronite, Syro-Malabar and other Catholic Churches, who are in full communion with each other and with the Roman CC. Then, there are the non-Chalcedonian Christians (including Armenians and Copts), also called Oriental Orthodox, who rejected certain dogma about the nature of Christ at the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon (5th century), and broke communion with the rest of the early Church. After the Schism of 1054 (Catholic - Eastern Orthodox), the Oriental Orthodox such as Armenians are out of communion with both the EO and the C Churches. The Coptic Church came into communion with the CC in the 1960s, but not with the EO. The situation is actually way more complicated than what I describe here, because there are also other Christian Churches in the East that are out of communion with either the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or Oriental Orthodox Churches. Someone who traveled to Damascus, Syria, said that you can find a plethora of churches (as in church buildings), at every street corner, and it’s almost an impossible task to catalogue the number of Churches (as in Church organizations) these churches (church buildings) represent, as well as who is in communion/out of communion with whom at any given time. Just to give an interesting historical snippet about the divisions within Eastern Christianity, the Patriarch of Moscow (largest EOC, population-wise) broke communion at a certain point in the 1990s with the Patriarch of Constantinople (whom many EO regard as being at the place of highest honor among EO Patriarchs), but later they resolved their conflict that prompted this drastical measure from the Russian side, and they came back into communion with each other.
 
Depends on which quarter of the ACNA you’re looking. If you’re in my diocese, there is no women’s ordination, very traditional, pro-life, old school. But there are parts of the ACNA with lady priestesses and evangelical hallelujah action going on that an anglo-catholic would find troublesome and a person opposed to WO would find disturbing. ANCA is a bi-polar body and I can say that because I’m in it right now! 😛 Imagine Metropolitan Jonah of the OCA Orthodox coming and preaching to a bunch of evangelical Anglicans at the ACNA kick-off event to drop women’s ordination, drop Calvinism, and dump the filioque and they all look at each other with a big grin indicating, “yeah…sure!” 😛
Thanks for that information! I read their main website and also their constitution and it seems like it lines up with our beliefs. I saw the women priest but no woman bishop part. At the local parrish in my area they have a “celtic contemporary” service though, and i’m not sure what that is, maybe evangelical hallelujah? But they do have traditional services as well. My husband is very concerned about it being through the diocese of Rwanda though. He really surprised me, and said that he would feel more comfortable with the Roman Catholic church. We do agree with catholic teaching and since it definitely does NOT innovate (our issue with EP church) he thinks it may be best for our family. We are going to wait until after the holidays and then talk to someone to see what we would need to do, see how difficult it would be to convert.
 
Thanks for that information! I read their main website and also their constitution and it seems like it lines up with our beliefs. I saw the women priest but no woman bishop part. At the local parrish in my area they have a “celtic contemporary” service though, and i’m not sure what that is, maybe evangelical hallelujah? But they do have traditional services as well. My husband is very concerned about it being through the diocese of Rwanda though. He really surprised me, and said that he would feel more comfortable with the Roman Catholic church. We do agree with catholic teaching and since it definitely does NOT innovate (our issue with EP church) he thinks it may be best for our family. We are going to wait until after the holidays and then talk to someone to see what we would need to do, see how difficult it would be to convert.
That’s wonderful. I’m glad you are open to learning more about Catholicism.

I came home from Presbyterianism. That was quite the journey. 😃
 
Daegus asked:

From what I have read in the forums at CATHOLIC ANSWERS and elsewhere, there seems to be a variety of opinions among Catholics too. Many of the topics introduced here generate much more heat than light.

Perhaps we should take an honest look at ourselves before we start judging others. That’s just my opinion:)
Great answer!🙂
 
Protestants will claim that the HS helps guide us, but it’s a very rare Protestant that will claim divine protection from error. That’s more of a pope thing. Protestants don’t do it, so when someone errs, we don’t say “Wait a minute- the HS was supposed to keep you from error.” We just say “I think you made an error. It happens to everybody sometimes, so let’s talk about it.”

As to what makes one person’s exegesis more credible than another’s, I assure you, it has nothing to do with the degree to which the HS protected one of them from error. It ultimately comes down to the quality of their work and who did a better job. If it’s good work, we say “That person did good work with the help of the Holy Spirit.” We do not say “That person did good work because the Holy Spirit kept him from error. When he wrote that, he was infallible.”

Of course, this does not prevent us from being 100% certain that something is done well. We aren’t incapable of recognizing good from bad when it’s sitting right in front of us. Why else would you put the work of a Catholic apologist in front of a Protestant? I know your intent- you want to talk to a Protestant who is 100% certain that the Catholic apologist produced something of high quality. You presuppose that the quality of his work is self-evident and that it can be perceived by anyone who can read things and understand them.

Imagine that you tell a Protestant to read a few articles by Jimmy Akin. I seriously doubt that you would tell him “Jimmy wasn’t protected from error when he wrote this, and it wasn’t inspired by God, either. So you can’t be 100% sure that it’s consistent with Catholic teaching. Keep that in mind.” You wouldn’t do that because you know it’s not true. When you read a given article, you can bear in mind that it wasn’t inspired by God and Jimmy wasn’t protected from error like a pope speaking ex cathedra, but you can still read it and know that it’s consistent with Church teaching. Church teaching is knowable because the Church wants you to know it and makes it widely available to you. Most Catholics don’t know it well, but most Catholics on CAF do because they care about it and make it a priority. If you know Cathoic teaching, you can read something by Jimmy Akin and know that his article is consistent with Catholic teaching. You can be 100% sure of this in spite of the fact that it wasn’t God-inspired or protected from error by God.

You see where this is going, right? It’s like Mad Libs, or some kind of word replacement game. In the previous paragraph, remove “Church teaching” and replace it with “God’s Word, the Bible.” There’s also one other thing you’ll have to change- where it initially says “the Church wants you to know it and makes it widely available,” replace it with “God wants you to know it and makes it widely available.” You should also assume that we’re not talking about Jimmy Akin- instead, we’re talking about a Protestant theologian who writes something of a theological bent.
So where does the Holy Spirit come in here? If you say you are guided by the Holy Spirit in understanding the Scripture, how does the Holy Spirit guide you? Does he tell you that the bread and the wine in John 6 are merely symbolic and not literal? I am asking this because there is already a long standing tradition, well, at least somebody else believe that they are not symbolic. You got to be convinced that if it is symbolic then that revelation must be from a very reliable source, like the Holy Spirit. If you are not sure that it is free from error, well, somebody else who believes that they are literal are very sure that it is not free from error.

I mean in such an important issue like that I am quite surprised that you should say,** “As to what makes one person’s exegesis more credible than another’s, I assure you, it has nothing to do with the degree to which the HS protected one of them from error. It ultimately comes down to the quality of their work and who did a better job”.**

So it come down to the quality of their work. If that’s the case, quite obviously I would not trust an individual’s work to be worthy to over ride what had been the practice of the Church many centuries before that. Man’s work is nothing if it is not guided by the Holy Spirit. I would need the Holy Spirit to tell me categorically that what had been practiced was wrong in order not to believe it.

I am sorry if I have misunderstood what you’re trying to say.
 
ReubenJ quoted:
“As to what makes one person’s exegesis more credible than another’s, I assure you, it has nothing to do with the degree to which the HS protected one of them from error. It ultimately comes down to the quality of their work and who did a better job”.
Most of the old-line Protestant Denominations and Pastors that I have known through the years would agree. They would compare their personal understanding to the whole of Scripture. Our understanding of Scripture is based on our experiences/maturity and our prejudices (what we have been taught is truth by those we love and respect).

For that reason, a Protestant and a Catholic may read the same Scripture, but have different understanding of what it means. That is why God did not make our understanding of Scripture a condition for salvation. Baptism is such a simple thing that even a baby benefits from it.

Good and holy people read the same Bible and have honest differences. I think God may be more upset with us because of our bickering and divisions than He is with our misunderstandings of Scripture. I may not have believed that as a young man; but, after a lifetime of study and service to God, I do believe it.
 
ACNA is in its infancy so it’s a work in progress. It might be a good church home for you coming from TEC. I would take my time with this, pray a lot, read a LOT, and make sure Catholicism is for you. Also, define “innovate?” Many Protestants believe the Reformation was started for the very reason that Catholicism did innovate a great deal during the Middle Ages while the Orthodox Church preserved the polity and deposit of faith pretty much innovation-free. If your definition of innovation is “to change morality regarding sexuality and the nature of God” then groups like TEC are guilty as heck and the Catholic Church is a great move! 😛

What about Rwanda concerns your husband?

Also, yes, the ACNA sadly does allow WO for priests in some parts but in no area do they permit women to the episcopacy, correct.

To whom do you plan to speak about possible choices for conversion? Are you going to speak only with Catholic clergy or are you going to check out ACNA parishes in your area as well? I’d spend a long time discerning and investigating and praying hard before jumping. God bless you both in your journey. Thanks be to God for your desire to find the right home in which to worship and love Our Lord and for your desire to be true to His Word! 👍🙂
Thanks for that information! I read their main website and also their constitution and it seems like it lines up with our beliefs. I saw the women priest but no woman bishop part. At the local parrish in my area they have a “celtic contemporary” service though, and i’m not sure what that is, maybe evangelical hallelujah? But they do have traditional services as well. My husband is very concerned about it being through the diocese of Rwanda though. He really surprised me, and said that he would feel more comfortable with the Roman Catholic church. We do agree with catholic teaching and since it definitely does NOT innovate (our issue with EP church) he thinks it may be best for our family. We are going to wait until after the holidays and then talk to someone to see what we would need to do, see how difficult it would be to convert.
 
ACNA is in its infancy so it’s a work in progress. It might be a good church home for you coming from TEC. I would take my time with this, pray a lot, read a LOT, and make sure Catholicism is for you. Also, define “innovate?” Many Protestants believe the Reformation was started for the very reason that Catholicism did innovate a great deal during the Middle Ages while the Orthodox Church preserved the polity and deposit of faith pretty much innovation-free. If your definition of innovation is “to change morality regarding sexuality and the nature of God” then groups like TEC are guilty as heck and the Catholic Church is a great move! 😛

What about Rwanda concerns your husband?

Also, yes, the ACNA sadly does allow WO for priests in some parts but in no area do they permit women to the episcopacy, correct.

To whom do you plan to speak about possible choices for conversion? Are you going to speak only with Catholic clergy or are you going to check out ACNA parishes in your area as well? I’d spend a long time discerning and investigating and praying hard before jumping. God bless you both in your journey. Thanks be to God for your desire to find the right home in which to worship and love Our Lord and for your desire to be true to His Word! 👍🙂
Honestly I don’t think the issue is with Rwanda itself but with the fact that it isn’t part of the Anglican Communion in Canterbury. That’s not to say that checking out the church is not still a viable option though. It’s just taken a very long time for him to consider leaving the EP church, he was born into it, and I think that maybe he cannot imagine a church that isn’t based in Canterbury or Rome. I’m not putting words in his mouth, but it’s my guess… Yes, it is the morality issues with the EP church that we are having trouble with. Just because something in society becomes popular or people start minimizing things like abortion doesn’t mean that God was only kidding when he said it was a sin. We are just people and we know this, so it’s crazy that the church doesn’t seem to! We are just going to contact the RCIA person and make an appointment for an inquiry after the new year and try that first, we are already somewhat familiar with the church but of course there is a chance that we may find it isnt for us. If we look into it and know it isnt right for us I think my Dh would then be more open to exploring the ACNA. Thank you so much for the words of wisdom and well wishes 🙂 We are going to pray very hard on this and make sure we make the right decision for our family.
 
Ever noticed that this is what religion seems to always stem to.

One saying “you’re right, I’m wrong.”

Its like that with politics too and many other issues actually…
 
Then why is it that there are so many different things that you cannot agree upon amongst yourselves? Surely the HS doesn’t teach multiple truths on the same issue.

Example: 2 Protestant friends claim that they have the guidance of the HS leading them, but each have come to different conclusions about different moral topics. One Protestant claims that abortion, euthanasia and masturbation are morally acceptable while the other say that they are always moral evils.

Because Penelope and Patrick (that’s what we’ll call our Prot’ friends for now) claim to be led by the HS and hold 2 opposing views, we know that 1 of them mug be wrong because both of their views can’t be true.

How are you supposed to know who’s right when the words ‘euthanasia’, ‘abortion’ and ‘masturbation’ aren’t to be found anywhere in the Bible? With no one to speak infallibly on behalf of scripture interpretation, how will your dispute ever end?

Thanks
Daegus
Hello Daegus, Protestants are Sola Scriptura for the most part.
They interpret scripture for themselves which makes them their own pope and authority.
Their view is I know what the bible is telling me and I am right! By doing this very few people can agree on anything. Hence tens of thousands of denominations floating around out there all claiming to have the truth! 🤷
Since protestants have divorced themselves from the Church that Christ himself founded that is the pillar and bulk worth of truth they will never agree on anything except the Catholic Church is wrong.🤷
The only thing we Catholics can do is hope and pray the Holy Spirit will guide them to the The only Church that has total truth. 👍

God Bless you and yours always,

Matthew
 
Most of the old-line Protestant Denominations and Pastors that I have known through the years would agree. They would compare their personal understanding to the whole of Scripture. Our understanding of Scripture is based on our experiences/maturity and our prejudices (what we have been taught is truth by those we love and respect).

For that reason, a Protestant and a Catholic may read the same Scripture, but have different understanding of what it means. That is why God did not make our understanding of Scripture a condition for salvation. Baptism is such a simple thing that even a baby benefits from it.

Good and holy people read the same Bible and have honest differences. I think God may be more upset with us because of our bickering and divisions than He is with our misunderstandings of Scripture. I may not have believed that as a young man; but, after a lifetime of study and service to God, I do believe it.
Thanks for the insightful post and for sharing your former experience. I hope I don’t sound argumentative towards the Protestants.

I agree with you and it is only obvious. Of course we use the Bible as living words to guide our life but when it is being used to decide doctrine it should take more than just a good exegesis.
 
To Reuben J,

You wrote:
I hope I don’t sound argumentative towards the Protestants
Your posts have not sounded “argumentative.” You made a good contribution to the discussion.

God brought me to the Catholic Church over a period of many years. I have been happy with the journey and I am happy with the destination. An old preacher years ago told me, “The secret of success is to keep a happy heart.” For the most part, I have done just that! And that is the advice I give others.

I intend to be patient with others who are on the journey. Converts must not be seen as “trophies;” those who come to the Roman Catholic Church from Protestant Churches are our brothers and sisters, many of whom have been on a long and perilious journey. It is God who has brought them home.

God’s richest blessings on all of you!!!
 
Then why is it that there are so many different things that you cannot agree upon amongst yourselves? Surely the HS doesn’t teach multiple truths on the same issue.

Example: 2 Protestant friends claim that they have the guidance of the HS leading them, but each have come to different conclusions about different moral topics. One Protestant claims that abortion, euthanasia and masturbation are morally acceptable while the other say that they are always moral evils.

Because Penelope and Patrick (that’s what we’ll call our Prot’ friends for now) claim to be led by the HS and hold 2 opposing views, we know that 1 of them mug be wrong because both of their views can’t be true.

How are you supposed to know who’s right when the words ‘euthanasia’, ‘abortion’ and ‘masturbation’ aren’t to be found anywhere in the Bible? With no one to speak infallibly on behalf of scripture interpretation, how will your dispute ever end?

Thanks
Daegus
I don’t think their dispute will ever end, they set themselves up as their own pope and claim the Holy Spirit even though they all have different views. Since they reject authority one can expect nothing else from them but confusion, we can pray they come to their senses and come home to Rome.
 
They don’t reject all authority. They reject the Bishop of Rome. The Orthodox do as well. 😉
I don’t think their dispute will ever end, they set themselves up as their own pope and claim the Holy Spirit even though they all have different views. Since they reject authority one can expect nothing else from them but confusion, we can pray they come to their senses and come home to Rome.
 
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