Death advocates hit a new low!

[Lisa4Catholics]

Saturday, July 02, 2005

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MoveOn Spends $280,000 Schiavo Ad Regarding O’Connor Replacement** …

MoveOn PAC. An online liberal advocacy group, unveiled a new TV ad today aimed at discouraging President Bush from picking an extremist judge to replace outgoing Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, saying that he should honor O’Connor and appoint a moderate justice.

The message: “Don’t nominate and extremist who will undermine the rights of individuals and families as the President did in the Terri Schiavo case several months ago. Protect our rights”.

The organization is referring to the emergency legislation passed by Congress in late March and signed into law by President Bush that was designed to save the live of Terri Schiavo, a disabled adult who the Florida courts had ordered to die by the removal of her nutrition and hydration, advancing the husband’s position that she would not want to be kept alive by assisted feeding or artificial means. She had left no living will and had become incapacitated at age 26 in mysterious circumstances at her home with her husband, Michael Schiavo, as the only witness.

Her parents, Mary and Robert Schindler Sr., argued that it would not be their daughter’s wish to die and that it would be against her religious beliefs. They waged a long, contentious court battle trying to keep her alive.

Terri died March 31, 13 days after her feeding tube was removed by court order and her estranged husband’s request.

The issue became a hotly debated political issue with critics saying that government had no business to interfere in what they deemed was a family matter. Proponents contend it was a constitutional issue and some political leaders maintain that the judiciary, and in particular the federal judiciary, had failed to give the Schiavo case the de novo or new review which had been the intent of Congress and the President.

The almost $280,000 ad by the political action committee will air on CNN in MaIne, Nebraska, South Carolina and VIrginia on CNN and FOX in New York and Washington, DC as part of MoveOn PAC’s grassroots mobilization to empower Americans and persuade the Senate to protect basic rights by rejecting an extremist nominee.

“Our message to the President as he considers nominees to the Supreme Court is ‘Protect Our Rights.’ Our message to the Senate when it considers the President’s nominee is ‘Protect Our Rights’,” said Ben Brandzel, advocacy director for MoveOn PAC.

“The President should honor O’Connor and appoint a moderate Supreme Court justice. We’re very concerned because we all saw the President undermine individual rights and invade a family’s privacy in the Terri Schiavo case a few months ago. If President Bush nominates an extremist, it will be up to Senators to say no, and the American people will make sure that they do just that,” he added.

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

MoveOn PAC’s work against the “nuclear option” to eliminate the right to filibuster judicial nominees first engaged the organization’s members in the upcoming battle over a Supreme Court nomination. MoveOn members:

·Raised $1.3 million to fund the campaign, with an average contribution of $43

·Organized 192 simultaneous rallies in all 50 states

·Placed 118,016 calls to Congress Held 1,539 house meetings to form local organizing teams

·Supported the creation and placement of 4 television commercials, radio commercials, and 2 print ads in target states and nationwide

·Submitted 59,645 letters to the editors of 3,162 newspapers

To view the ad, go to: MoveOnPAC.org

Script of the new Supreme Court ad follows.

MoveOn PAC

TV:30

“Schiavo”

VIDEO – OPEN ON TV IMAGES OF THE NEWS CIRCUS AND PROTESTERS OUTSIDE THE TERRY SCHIAVO HOSPICE. ZOOM IN ON ONE OF THE POSTERS SHOWING HER FACE.

AUDIO – ANNOUNCER (VO): It was the last place the federal government needed to be. A family crisis affecting the most personal rights of all.

VIDEO – CUT TO PHOTO OF GEORGE BUSH SPEAKING TO THE PRESS. SUPER HEADLINES: “BUSH SIGNS SCHIAVO BILL INTO LAW. MARCH 21, 2005 CBS NEWS”

AUDIO – ANNOUNCER (VO): And there was George Bush, playing politics with our personal rights once again.

VIDEO – CUT TO EXTERIOR SHOTS OF THE SUPREME COURT.

AUDIO – ANNOUNCER (VO): Now, there’s a vacancy on the Supreme Court.

VIDEO – CUT TO A CLOSE UP OF AN EMPTY SUPREME COURT CHAIR. SUPER “WILL GEORGE BUSH CHOOSE AN EXTREMIST?” SUPER “PAID FOR BY MOVEON PAC, MOVEONPAC.ORG. NOT AUTHORIZED BY ANY CANDIDATE OR CANDIDATE’S COMMITTEE. MOVEON PAC IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONTENT OF THIS ADVERTISEMENT”.

AUDIO – ANNOUNCER (VO): Will George Bush choose an extremist who will threaten our rights? And support even more government intrusion into our lives? MoveOn PAC is responsible for the content of this advertisement. 7-1-05

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Extremist are those who try to stop a disabled woman from being excecuted slowly?:nope:

 

[StBasiltheGreat]

As long as we Catholics are so self-righteous, then we are like the Pharisee who proclaimed himself justified.

“We are all sinners & have all gone astray”, says Scripture. We has best look to our own sins, it seems to me, than point our fingers at others & refer to them by uncharitable names.

The Church is not a fortress of virtue but a house of sinners, like the rest of the world. To arrogantly regard ourselves as right & others wrong is merely to continue to decline of the Church. The world will rightly reject us as hypocrites.

No one is in favor of abortion. Both sides need to look for common ground & find areas of cooperation instead of demonizing other people. Catholics should adopt more children too.

 

[Mom_of_one]

Oh, here we go again! Calling sin for what it is-sin, is not being self-righteous, judgemental or bigoted! In that article, who is calling whom names? MoveOn is claiming that we are the extremists, not the other way around.

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

StBasiltheGreat:

As long as we Catholics are so self-righteous, then we are like the Pharisee who proclaimed himself justified.

“We are all sinners & have all gone astray”, says Scripture. We has best look to our own sins, it seems to me, than point our fingers at others & refer to them by uncharitable names.

The Church is not a fortress of virtue but a house of sinners, like the rest of the world. To arrogantly regard ourselves as right & others wrong is merely to continue to decline of the Church. The world will rightly reject us as hypocrites.

No one is in favor of abortion. Both sides need to look for common ground & find areas of cooperation instead of demonizing other people. Catholics should adopt more children too.

That is real cute:nope: No where did I call anyone names The title is true,they advocate the deaths of others,and my last statement was a defense and the irony of being called EXTREMIST:nope:

 

[Mac6yver]

StBasiltheGreat:

As long as we Catholics are so self-righteous, then we are like the Pharisee who proclaimed himself justified.

“We are all sinners & have all gone astray”, says Scripture. We has best look to our own sins, it seems to me, than point our fingers at others & refer to them by uncharitable names.

The Church is not a fortress of virtue but a house of sinners, like the rest of the world. To arrogantly regard ourselves as right & others wrong is merely to continue to decline of the Church. The world will rightly reject us as hypocrites.

No one is in favor of abortion. Both sides need to look for common ground & find areas of cooperation instead of demonizing other people. Catholics should adopt more children too.

I certainly do agree that both sides should try to compromise more often. This divide that plagues our country at the moment will only continue to grow. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I would prefer we try to work togeather rather then attack each other.

 

[fix]

Mac6yver:

I certainly do agree that both sides should try to compromise more often. This divide that plagues our country at the moment will only continue to grow. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I would prefer we try to work togeather rather then attack each other.

Compromise? How does one compromise about murder?

 

[fix]

StBasiltheGreat:

As long as we Catholics are so self-righteous, then we are like the Pharisee who proclaimed himself justified.

“We are all sinners & have all gone astray”, says Scripture. We has best look to our own sins, it seems to me, than point our fingers at others & refer to them by uncharitable names.

The Church is not a fortress of virtue but a house of sinners, like the rest of the world. To arrogantly regard ourselves as right & others wrong is merely to continue to decline of the Church. The world will rightly reject us as hypocrites.

No one is in favor of abortion. Both sides need to look for common ground & find areas of cooperation instead of demonizing other people. Catholics should adopt more children too.

The problem is that we Catholics are as pagan as the culture.

 

[legeorge]

I find it ironic that trying to save a person’s life is ‘extremist’, but these people have no problem exploiting this horrible situation for their own political purposes.

As far as “compromising” on issues such as abortion and euthanasia, I quote “We will not negotiate with terrorists!”

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

legeorge:

I find it ironic that trying to save a person’s life is ‘extremist’, but these people have no problem exploiting this horrible situation for their own political purposes.

As far as “compromising” on issues such as abortion and euthanasia, I quote “We will not negotiate with terrorists!”

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: Thankyou Legeorge:bowdown2: You summed it up brilliantly

 

[Ani_Ibi]

fix:

The problem is that we Catholics are as pagan as the culture.

The other problem is that there is a turf war in the pro-life movement and in the Catholic Church and in the pro-life movement in the Catholic Church.

Catholic Answers is a unique culture. One that should be built upon, augmented, politicized in a formal manner. I hope the mods are reading this.

Have any of you tried having some of these conversations outside CA? Have any of you tried engaging people in activism who are not familiar with the CA culture? It’s like cramming a round peg into a square hole.

How many of you feel like you are aliens from outer space in your own churches, parish offices, pro-life board rooms, local opinion pages, and so on?

There is an elephant in the room. That is what is standing between us and turning this Death Culture around on its heels.

 

[Lisa_N]

Mac6yver:

I certainly do agree that both sides should try to compromise more often. This divide that plagues our country at the moment will only continue to grow. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I would prefer we try to work togeather rather then attack each other.

Golly why didn’t the Confederates and the Union think of that? Would have been so much better than the tens of thousands who died on the battlefield. But some things like abortion or slavery for that matter simply are not subject to compromise.

Lisa N

 

[Ani_Ibi]

StBasiltheGreat:

As long as we Catholics are so self-righteous, then we are like the Pharisee who proclaimed himself justified.

Relevance? Self-righteousness comes from the self. Righteousness comes from God. God shows us righteousness through the Magisterium.

“We are all sinners & have all gone astray”, says Scripture. We has best look to our own sins, it seems to me, than point our fingers at others & refer to them by uncharitable names.

One of the seven works of charity is correction. The fingers are not being pointed at homosexuals but at their behaviour. The homosexual is not his or her behaviour.

StBasiltheGreat:

The Church is not a fortress of virtue but a house of sinners, like the rest of the world. To arrogantly regard ourselves as right & others wrong is merely to continue to decline of the Church. The world will rightly reject us as hypocrites.

So illogical. We do not regard ourselves as right. We regard the infallible teaching of the Church (as opposed to other kinds of Church teaching) as right.

StBasiltheGreat:

No one is in favor of abortion.

Wrong. Henry Morgentaler is for abortion. He is one among millions who are for abortion. It is called by its real name: eugenics.

StBasiltheGreat:

Both sides need to look for common ground & find areas of cooperation instead of demonizing other people.

Suggestion an area of cooperation which does not involve killing someone.

StBasiltheGreat:

Catholics should adopt more children too.

Somewhat of a bald statement. Gives us the statistics. How many Catholics adopt children? How many non-Catholics adopt children?

 

[allhers]

Ani Ibi:

…
Have any of you tried having some of these conversations outside CA? Have any of you tried engaging people in activism who are not familiar with the CA culture? It’s like cramming a round peg into a square hole.

How many of you feel like you are aliens from outer space in your own churches, parish offices, pro-life board rooms, local opinion pages, and so on?

There is an elephant in the room. That is what is standing between us and turning this Death Culture around on its heels.

to that, and I am sick of it too, I just keep telling the truth and praying anyway, I sure don’t have many friends but hey, ask me if I care, I wasn’t looking for friends anyway, I was just looking to tell the truth, it amazed me that I sent out sometimes as many as 50 emails to people about Terri’s plight and 2 people responded to me. …Aliens for sure, (and we are here on this journey) but I am going to keep right on speaking out and speaking up for LIFE.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

to that, and I am sick of it too, I just keep telling the truth and praying anyway, I sure don’t have many friends but hey, ask me if I care, I wasn’t looking for friends anyway, I was just looking to tell the truth, it amazed me that I sent out sometimes as many as 50 emails to people about Terri’s plight and 2 people responded to me. …Aliens for sure, (and we are here on this journey) but I am going to keep right on speaking out and speaking up for LIFE.

I’m exhausted. I can’t keep on doing the same thing expecting different results than what we have been getting. I am starting a new thread.

 

[ElizabethJoy]

Be encouraged, though - even in exhaustion.

More people are hearing you than you can imagine. I hesitate to chime in because I’m still learning what the church teaches on some things and you reasonable and orthodox people teach me a LOT every day. I also hesitate because I get so ticked off that I can’t respond without charity.

I can’t name you all - there are so many of you who I will read everything that you write. You always make such good sense and you are shining the light of Truth into the dark corners of hypocrisy and ignorance, even if it seems like you might as well be talking to a wall. You are being heard.

Keep it up! You are teachers and we need you!

Elizabeth

 

[jman507]

Lisa N:

Golly why didn’t the Confederates and the Union think of that? Would have been so much better than the tens of thousands who died on the battlefield. But some things like abortion or slavery for that matter simply are not subject to compromise.

Lisa N

Not to mention things like the Missouri Compromise and the Compromise of 1850 that kept even number of slave and free states and acknowledge some people were not actually full persons.

 

[Traditional_Ang]

StBasiltheGreat:

As long as we Catholics are so self-righteous, then we are like the Pharisee who proclaimed himself justified.

“We are all sinners & have all gone astray”, says Scripture. We has best look to our own sins, it seems to me, than point our fingers at others & refer to them by uncharitable names.

The Church is not a fortress of virtue but a house of sinners, like the rest of the world. To arrogantly regard ourselves as right & others wrong is merely to continue to decline of the Church. The world will rightly reject us as hypocrites.

No one is in favor of abortion. Both sides need to look for common ground & find areas of cooperation instead of demonizing other people. Catholics should adopt more children too.

StBasiltheGreat]:

Lisa just exposed how how a leftest PAC (and that’s how Move-on.org identify themselves) does business and calls those who oppose them and their ideology, “Extremists.” How, exactly is that “Being Self-Righteous”?

St. Basil, the world hates the Church as well as individual Catholics who try to live out the Gospel. Jesus said that’s what the world would do. So, unless the Church is saying and doing something contrary to the RECEIVED Gospel, why should the Church worry about being called “hypocritical” by that world whose only anchor is the hatred of the Church?

The Church and its members should only worry if the Church and its members are proclaiming somthing while living lives in contradiction to that, or if the Church is proclaiming one thing and it’s members are disobeying it, as in the case of those who actively disobey the Church’s Traditional teachings on Contraception, Abortion and human sexuality.

Do not conform yourselves to this age but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and pleasing and perfect.

Romans 12:2. NAB

St. Basil, since Roe v. Wade, our country has slaughtered over 46 MILLION infants in the womb. That’s not something that should merit “No one is in favor of abortion…” That’s something that requires repentance and sincere contrition before the God who made those babies, as well as the mothers who took them to the Abortionists and the Abortionists, too.

I seem to recall that God completely destroyed Sodom and Gamorrah for less than this, and that the cities of Nazi Germany were all allowed to be layed waste over the slaughter of 18 million Jews and others. Our death toll is now 46 MILLION and still rising!!

President Abraham Lincoln said of the Civil War in his 2nd Inaugural:

If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offences which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offence came, shall we discern there any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? … Yet if God wills that it continues. . . until every drop of blood drawn with the (17) lash shall be paid another drawn with the sword . . . so still it must be said that the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

teacher.scholastic.com/researchtools/articlearchives/civics/speeches/splincol.htm

So, what’s the price to be paid for the slaughter of 46 MILLION Babies in Abortuaries?

Blessed are they who act to save God’s Innocent. Michael

 

[Traditional_Ang]

Ani Ibi:

The other problem is that there is a turf war in the pro-life movement and in the Catholic Church and in the pro-life movement in the Catholic Church.

Catholic Answers is a unique culture. One that should be built upon, augmented, politicized in a formal manner. I hope the mods are reading this.

Have any of you tried having some of these conversations outside CA? Have any of you tried engaging people in activism who are not familiar with the CA culture? It’s like cramming a round peg into a square hole.

How many of you feel like you are aliens from outer space in your own churches, parish offices, pro-life board rooms, local opinion pages, and so on?

There is an elephant in the room. That is what is standing between us and turning this Death Culture around on its heels.

Ani:

Here’s the elephent - the messenger is at least a little crazy (he thinks the answer is reading the Douey-Rheims Catholic Bible), but he’s right about the “lukewarm Church”:

Catholic Messages USA - Resources/News/Directory
catholicmessagesusa.catholicweb.com/

Here’s the Scripture he’s looking at:

*"To the angel of the church in Laodicea, write this: " 'The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the source of God’s creation, says this: "I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either cold or hot. So, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.

For you say, ‘I am rich and affluent and have no need of anything,’ and yet do not realize that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.

I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire so that you may be rich, and white garments to put on so that your shameful nakedness may not be exposed, and buy ointment to smear on your eyes so that you may see.

Those whom I love, I reprove and chastise. Be earnest, therefore, and repent."

'“Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, (then) I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me. I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne.” ‘“Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’"*

Revelation 3:16-22. NAB

The usual way the Lord deal with a Lukewarm Church is persecution. I don’t expect this to be any different.

I’m at a fairly pro-life parish, and I have tried to get a few of my fellow parishioners to write letters, etc. with differing results. We also have a wide spectrum of beliefs politically (from liberal to conservative), although I’ve seen no one object when Fr. Wilcox has made the case against Abortion.

One thing - If the Bishops and Cardinals in the Church were on fire for the Lord, and were insistant on doing His bidding rather than that of the politicians and donor so many of them have become beholden to, I think a lot if the Turf problems would go away, because we could place this under the conrol of the Ordinary of each Diocese who could call for help as needed.

I do think you’re right about the unique culture, although I often wonder how well we do with the letter-writing campaigns and so-forth.

Catholic Answers had a POLITICAL thread - They shut it down. I think the best we can do is to work on projects as we do here, being careful not to involve Catholic Answers too much in the political agitation that could cause complaints to be brought against it by the likes of Planned Parenthood.

Remember, those groups are able to do political advocacy and to keep their 501 (c)(3) status because they have an “Education Arm” (It’s a fiction - so COMPLAIN to the IRS) to cover their activities.

They would complain about Catholic Answers to the IRS if we had CA do what they do. Please remember that and understand the level of hypocrisy of our oponents.

Blessed are those who act to save the Innocent. Michel

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

Traditional Ang:

Ani:

Here’s the elephent - the messenger is at least a little crazy (he thinks the answer is reading the Douey-Rheims Catholic Bible), but he’s right about the “lukewarm Church”:

Catholic Messages USA - Resources/News/Directory
catholicmessagesusa.catholicweb.com/

Here’s the Scripture he’s looking at:

"To the angel of the church in Laodicea, write this: " 'The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the source of God’s creation, says this: "I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either cold or hot. So, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.

For you say, ‘I am rich and affluent and have no need of anything,’ and yet do not realize that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.

I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire so that you may be rich, and white garments to put on so that your shameful nakedness may not be exposed, and buy ointment to smear on your eyes so that you may see.

*Those whom I love, I reprove and chastise. Be earnest, therefore, and repent." *

'“Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, (then) I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me. I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne.” ‘“Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’"

Revelation 3:16-22. NAB

The usual way the Lord deal with a Lukewarm Church is persecution. I don’t expect this to be any different.

I’m at a fairly pro-life parish, and I have tried to get a few of my fellow parishioners to write letters, etc. with differing results. We also have a wide spectrum of beliefs politically (from liberal to conservative), although I’ve seen no one object when Fr. Wilcox has made the case against Abortion.

One thing - If the Bishops and Cardinals in the Church were on fire for the Lord, and were insistant on doing His bidding rather than that of the politicians and donor so many of them have become beholden to, I think a lot if the Turf problems would go away, because we could place this under the conrol of the Ordinary of each Diocese who could call for help as needed.

I do think you’re right about the unique culture, although I often wonder how well we do with the letter-writing campaigns and so-forth.

Catholic Answers had a POLITICAL thread - They shut it down. I think the best we can do is to work on projects as we do here, being careful not to involve Catholic Answers too much in the political agitation that could cause complaints to be brought against it by the likes of Planned Parenthood.

Remember, those groups are able to do political advocacy and to keep their 501 (c)(3) status because they have an “Education Arm” (It’s a fiction - so COMPLAIN to the IRS) to cover their activities.

They would complain about Catholic Answers to the IRS if we had CA do what they do. Please remember that and understand the level of hypocrisy of our oponents.

Blessed are those who act to save the Innocent. Michel

Catholics for a free Choice already tried to get Catholic Answers for their tax status,it is on the thread I started about them:nope: They play dirty They are under diabolic control and right and wrong are not relevant to them:nope: Pray for them and fight every diabolic scheme they come up with.